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Fret level and recrown

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I did my Strat a few weeks ago. For this guitar I had to order a smaller crowning file since it has medium frets. It took about 4.5 hours start to finish.



Before. Pretty jacked up. It was causing some significant intonation problems.

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After. Round and smooth. Intonation problems fixed.

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Guys, take a look at your frets. If they're flat like in my first picture, your guitar could be sounding a whole lot better with a little work.
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what guitar is that? inlays look cool
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Awww yeah. Level and crown can make a guitar feel like a totally different instrument. I probably should get an actual crowing file at some point. I've always made due with rattails and sandpaper. I have a couple set neck guitars due for a level and crown now. That I'm not looking forward to. I usually pull the neck on bolt ons for this job.
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Dickarms wrote:what guitar is that? inlays look cool


It's the Ibanez SZ4020 in my sig. I actually prefer to have fret markers in the standard places. This one only has them on the 12th. I've gotten used to it though.
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My strat needs some love, but I'll probably take it in to get Plek'd. It's been my main guitar for 7 years now so it's gotten it's share of wear.
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This thread needs moar pics!

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GRIMESPACE wrote:This thread needs moar pics!

Don't tease us, man - show us how!


I can show you a few more pics. There are plenty of YouTube videos that describe the process in detail. The way I do this is by no means the only way and probably not even the most popular way.

First I make sure the fretboard is flat by adjusting the trussrod.
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Then I color the tops of the frets with a sharpie.
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Next I tune the guitar and doublecheck the neck straightness. Then I use the sanding beam to sand the frets flat until the sharpie marks are all gone. I do this with the strings on and tuned.
Sorry, no pics of that part.

Tape up the guitar to protect it.
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Mark the tops of the frets again. Then use the fret crowning file to put the rounded shape back. You stop filing when only a thin sharpie line remains. That way you're not decreasing the height of the fret any further.
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Then I sand with 400 grit, 800 grit, 1000 grit, 000 steel wool, and finally metal polish with a dremel.
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Finished
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This is what I use to level my frets with, but there are many different ways to do it. I use regular concave fret crowning files (as opposed to triangle or "little bone"). For jumbo frets, I have a diamond concave file. For medium frets, I use a normal concave crowning file. Having used both, I would say that I prefer the non diamond file. I also have a file that will fix rough fret ends. A few minutes spent with that tool can make a $500 guitar feel like a $1200 guitar.

Before doing this I could tune the open strings, but chords would sound out of tune. Or I could tune it so a G chord for example would sound in tune. The switch to a C chord which would sound out of tune. After recrowning this is no longer a problem.
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When sanding with the beam, do you sand nut to bridge, side to side, or in ovals? Do you remove the nut?
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GRIMESPACE wrote:When sanding with the beam, do you sand nut to bridge, side to side, or in ovals? Do you remove the nut?


I don't think the technique matters that much as long as whatever you do, you do it evenly. I also do a "fall away" which you will see if you watch a few videos. Basically from the 9th fret on up they are taken down a little lower.

I don't remove the nut, but some people do. Since I don't have any nut related tools yet, I tend to leave them alone. If I had nut slotting files and the proper measuring tools, I would deepen the nut slots to match how much fret I sanded down. I'll get there eventually.
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Nice work, man. My LP is 9 years old. As my pride and joy, it could use this kind of TLC.
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Nice!!

And nice S model man. 22 frets, right? I haven't seen a 22 fret S in a long time.
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My white strat needs a level and crown.

But I am going to put SS frets on it instead.
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Nice!!! :rawk:
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I've been playing it with pits and dips in the frets for so long, I can't imagine what it will feel like after a tune up. :lol:
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Thanks guys.

I can't say it feels any better, but the intonation gets really jacked up when the frets are worn down.
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Mike LX-R wrote:Nice!!

And nice S model man. 22 frets, right? I haven't seen a 22 fret S in a long time.


Yep, 22 frets. It's a good guitar. Bridge pickup is a little muddy. I really want a Les Paul. Been thinking about selling it and buying a Faded LP Studio. It should bring a fair price as it's in great shape. the case looks brand new and all case candy is there. Just a little worried I'd regret it later because it's a rare guitar and I have a good specimen.
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It looks like a really good S. But LP Studios can be had around $500-$600 used so I'd almost think it'd be not too difficult to just save outright for it.
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Nice. I did the same thing when I first got my RG927 from Sweetwater. Couldn't believe how many high frets it had.

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Plays great now.

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