Wisconsin

[Ry Manchu]

At midnight last night, Wisconsin lost the orders for almost all of the $751 million/year of the dairy and cheese that they export, almost all of the $391 million in soybean exports, 53% of the fruits and vegetables and 88% of the livestock exports.

I sure hope that trade wars are easy to win. Good luck Wisconsin.

The bright side for the rest of us is that milk, cheddar and swiss are about to get about 8% cheaper.

[sleewell]

sometimes you have to sacrifice all your pawns to get a few free rounds of golf.

[Noah]

I like free trade so I wanted pretty much every other Republican except Trump in the primary. Of course then Hillary completely blew her opportunity to attract people like me by running to the left to meet Bernie.

[GuitarBilly]

At midnight last night, Wisconsin lost the orders for almost all of the $751 million/year of the dairy and cheese that they export, almost all of the $391 million in soybean exports, 53% of the fruits and vegetables and 88% of the livestock exports.

I sure hope that trade wars are easy to win. Good luck Wisconsin.

The bright side for the rest of us is that milk, cheddar and swiss are about to get about 8% cheaper.

That's pretty bright though

mmm cheese

[sleewell]

i am just glad we stepped up and defended ourselves from Canada, i had a feeling they were very close to invading us. using national security to avoid going through congress is a very wise move, especially against our strongest allies, i think trump praised obama for doing the same thing many times.

remember a few weeks ago when peter navarro stated like a complete buffoon that there wouldn't be any retaliatory tariffs? the best and the brightest.

a huge nail factory in MO is laying people off and about to close forever. harley is sending jobs out of the country, so is carrier. soybean, dairy and hog farmers (mostly all trump voters) are getting crushed.

[Ry Manchu]

i am just glad we stepped up and defended ourselves from Canada, i had a feeling they were very close to invading us. using national security to avoid going through congress is a very wise move, especially against our strongest allies, i think trump praised obama for doing the same thing many times.

remember a few weeks ago when peter navarro stated like a complete buffoon that there wouldn't be any retaliatory tariffs? the best and the brightest.

a huge nail factory in MO is laying people off and about to close forever. harley is sending jobs out of the country, so is carrier. soybean, dairy and hog farmers (mostly all trump voters) are getting crushed.

I sent that nail story to NBC so they'd cover it.

[lester]

^ you sir are a gentleman and a scholar unlike a seemingly growing faction of unhinged leftist brethren who take a decidedly different stance when contemplating trade negotiations.

MAN PUNCHED, DRAGGED 30 FEET BY CAR FOR HAVING TRUMP FLAG IN HIS YARD.

BOYNTON BEACH, Fla. - A fun night of fireworks was ruined for a Boynton Beach man. Jeff Good says he was attacked for having a President Trump flag in his yard.

Good said he was watching fireworks in his driveway when someone drove in front of his house and started yelling at him about President Trump.

“He was saying vile things about our president,” said Good.

The driver of the car then told Good he had to remove his flag. When Good told him no, he said the driver punched him in the face.

Good said he instinctively tried to punch the man back, but the man drove off with Good’s arm stuck in the car, and Good was then dragged for about 30 feet

Some people I guess just don't share our feelings on fair trade.

[sleewell]

classic whataboutism. any comments on tariffs or was thread derailment the main goal?

i think i remember something about a woman being run over and killed by a white maga dude in VA but if you have nothing to add on tarrifs i guess throwing shit on the wall works too.

[Noah]

I just hope leftists can remember all their outrage about tariffs the next time this comes up. Because last we remember even when Obama was for reducing trade barriers they couldn't follow him.

[lester]

classic whataboutism. any comments on tariffs or was thread derailment the main goal?

i think i remember something about a woman being run over and killed by a white maga dude in VA but if you have nothing to add on tarrifs i guess throwing shit on the wall works too.

Ok, Harley needs to make something the millenials care about or not.
That Heather girl? No sleewell, here you go again, she wasn't run over or hit. The car was about five feet from her. She had a heart attack.

[TurboPablo]

classic whataboutism. any comments on tariffs or was thread derailment the main goal?

i think i remember something about a woman being run over and killed by a white maga dude in VA but if you have nothing to add on tarrifs i guess throwing shit on the wall works too.

Ok, Harley needs to make something the millenials care about or not.
That Heather girl? No sleewell, here you go again, she wasn't run over or hit. The car was about five feet from her. She had a heart attack.

You were there?

[lester]

No sadly I missed that round of 'bash the fash just cause I don't agree with what they're saying'. I'll hit up my local Antifa for the next round of hijinks though.
But I did look into it for a second and there is a bit of video and still shots.
Something I guess slee fails to do before regurgitating the latest Media Matters stuff.
Hey, I'm not saying that guy shouldn't be charged with maybe scaring her to death but her health/weight does seem like a factor. The other people he hit...that's attempted murder whether or not someone had been pointing a gun at him and freaking him out or not. We'll see at the trial I guess.

[Dave]

i am just glad we stepped up and defended ourselves from Canada, i had a feeling they were very close to invading us. using national security to avoid going through congress is a very wise move, especially against our strongest allies, i think trump praised obama for doing the same thing many times.

remember a few weeks ago when peter navarro stated like a complete buffoon that there wouldn't be any retaliatory tariffs? the best and the brightest.

a huge nail factory in MO is laying people off and about to close forever. harley is sending jobs out of the country, so is carrier. soybean, dairy and hog farmers (mostly all trump voters) are getting crushed.

You seem to be stereotyping what a trump supporter is.


Most of the tariffs are combatting currency manipulation and tariffs already imposed by our trade partners.



Maybe it’ll encourage a decline is disposable crap we buy from overseas

[Ostinato Rubato]

I don't have an opinion really about the trade wars yet. However the one thing that is clear is that CHINA! is sweating their balls off about this right now. They're desperately trying to get other countries to coalesce against us in trade policies. Their national stock values have plummeted and the show hasn't even really started yet. It seems they're very aware that they are in the disadvantageous position at the moment.

We'll see what happens.

[sleewell]

How did I stereotype what a trump supporter is? I think it was wise for our trading partners to retaliate by targeting states that voted for trump but me pointing out who are being affected the most as also having voted for him isn't stereotyping is it?

Hey I hope it works, I'm not rooting for our failure. I think something had to be done however the methods and apparently naivety of this administration seems puzzling. Of course countries will retaliate, that's what happens in trade wars. I think there are ways to combat China in different ways as a block of countries but it's probably going to be harder when we are also going at our allies too.

It would be great if more things were made here. I do think it's unfortunate trump intentionally lies so much, you can't know when he actually has a good idea or if he's just completely making something up. A lot of the trade numbers he spouts are totally false.

[Dave]

What?

Targeting trump support states?

What pinnacle of truth website did you read that on?

THey targeted the major exports of the us, period. You think they’ll go after Detroit? Hell no, Detroit supplies all their parts for their factories here.



The items they’re targeting are the only things anyone sees overseas that are made solely here. They ain’t making MacBooks and iPhones in America so of course China isn’t going to target those things.

Just think, hommie. I used to think he was a joke too, but some of this stuff is making sense. All bs aside he hasn’t really been tanking our country.

[ajaxlepinski]

I don't have an opinion really about the trade wars yet. However the one thing that is clear is that CHINA! is sweating their balls off about this right now. They're desperately trying to get other countries to coalesce against us in trade policies. Their national stock values have plummeted and the show hasn't even really started yet. It seems they're very aware that they are in the disadvantageous position at the moment.

We'll see what happens.

Definitely too soon to know what will happen.
There are no bench marks or historical references to indicate how a trade war will pan out in today's global economy.

One thing is for sure... countries like Germany, with a fully developed manufacturing sector, will benefit from a Chinese downturn.
Angela Merkel has already agreed to reduce tariffs on American imports. She knows that a trade war between the US and China will benefit Germany.

China's minion countries, in Africa especially, are forced to do business only with China and Russia, so I doubt that China will be able to build any additional global support that they don't already have.

IMHO, it will be easier for China to reduce import tariffs than to lose trillions in export business.
As much as it makes me gag, maybe Trump is doing the right thing....

[Dave]

Germany has always maintained a protectionist stand point on domestically produced goods.

Again anyone that has actually left the states can reference the American product abroad. Classic items but hardly detrimental to their day to day.

The Chinese and Canada are having tariffs placed on lumber, steel, etc. Trump is targeting things that matter to them.

[Ry Manchu]

What?

Targeting trump support states?

What pinnacle of truth website did you read that on?

THey targeted the major exports of the us, period. You think they’ll go after Detroit? Hell no, Detroit supplies all their parts for their factories here.



The items they’re targeting are the only things anyone sees overseas that are made solely here. They ain’t making MacBooks and iPhones in America so of course China isn’t going to target those things.

http://sandhillsexpress.com/abc_world/w ... d36083201/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... juice.html

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wh ... d=56085825

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/30/canadas ... tchup.html

https://www.cbs58.com/news/canada-annou ... -wisconsin

http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-t ... ist-2018-7

https://www.wpr.org/eu-tariffs-take-eff ... d-aluminum

https://journaltimes.com/trump-jabbed-f ... ccd53.html

http://katu.com/news/nation-world/canad ... ng-tariffs

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/eus-list-o ... p-tariffs/

http://theweek.com/speedreads/780630/eu ... s-rhetoric

[ajaxlepinski]

During a real war, oil production facilities, ball bearing factories and electrical generating plants are the first to get bombed.
For the EU, it would make sense to aim tarifs at Red States to obtain a secondary goal of making Trump look bad.
For China, taxing all American imports makes sense but, no one in the EU likes Trump so, why not target Red State products?

Let's drink more bourbon, eat cheese and buy Harleys to support our President!!!

[Noah]

It's really funny the intellectual backflips going on on both sides right now.

Rush is saying these are all short-term negotiating tactics and that Trump's endgame is free trade. yeah right.

Meanwhile lefties who used to bitch and bitch about NAFTA are now telling us tariffs are bad.

[Dave]

What?

Targeting trump support states?

What pinnacle of truth website did you read that on?

THey targeted the major exports of the us, period. You think they’ll go after Detroit? Hell no, Detroit supplies all their parts for their factories here.



The items they’re targeting are the only things anyone sees overseas that are made solely here. They ain’t making MacBooks and iPhones in America so of course China isn’t going to target those things.

http://sandhillsexpress.com/abc_world/w ... d36083201/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... juice.html

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wh ... d=56085825

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/30/canadas ... tchup.html

https://www.cbs58.com/news/canada-annou ... -wisconsin

http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-t ... ist-2018-7

https://www.wpr.org/eu-tariffs-take-eff ... d-aluminum

https://journaltimes.com/trump-jabbed-f ... ccd53.html

http://katu.com/news/nation-world/canad ... ng-tariffs

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/eus-list-o ... p-tariffs/

http://theweek.com/speedreads/780630/eu ... s-rhetoric

You post a bunch of oped drivel as proof of what?


The brands targeted are the products most associated with America overseas.


You think they’ll target Apple products? What other decidedly American products are widely seen in the eu? Hardleys, whiskey, beer, and cheese.

The left spends so much time hating trump it consumes their life. Sad.

[Dave]

Irrational hatred and focus on “removing trump” is more important than actual issues.

The feelings crowd is pathetic.

[petee]

It's really funny the intellectual backflips going on on both sides right now.

Rush is saying these are all short-term negotiating tactics and that Trump's endgame is free trade. yeah right.

Meanwhile lefties who used to bitch and bitch about NAFTA are now telling us tariffs are bad.

Trump wants to drop all tariffs, actual free trade, he's already suggested it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... ll-tariffs

As for China, a large issue is intellectual property rights and the Chinese stealing from US companies. Fair trade is in everyones interest, and Trump is playing hardball. I don't know if it will work out, but he has definitely made a stand.

[TurboPablo]

It's really funny the intellectual backflips going on on both sides right now.

Rush is saying these are all short-term negotiating tactics and that Trump's endgame is free trade. yeah right.

Meanwhile lefties who used to bitch and bitch about NAFTA are now telling us tariffs are bad.

Trump wants to drop all tariffs, actual free trade, he's already suggested it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... ll-tariffs

As for China, a large issue is intellectual property rights and the Chinese stealing from US companies. Fair trade is in everyones interest, and Trump is playing hardball. I don't know if it will work out, but he has definitely made a stand.

If only there was some kind of trans pacific partnership or agreement that would have set ground rules for that kind of stuff. It's too bad nobody could have ever conceived of that sort of trade arrangement.