Wisconsin

[Noah]

........I have more respect for the laziest millenial living in moms basement than i do some pensioned boomer fuck who worked 9 to 5 until he was 63 and now thinks he is owed everything.......

More respect for the laziest! millennial than some who worked there entire life, and retired as was their goal all along??!?!?

I can't agree with that at all.

Not sure where you are getting the 'entitled to everything' aspect of it either.

Post a clip!

Maybe I'm exaggerating a little here, but the condescension coming from baby boomers is real. Yet I doubt 10% of them could make it through a year in a modern high school. Look at how many of them retire rather than learning how to use a mouse.

All that borrowing from the future via deficit spending and unsustainable benefits packages is catching up. Boomers might as well admit they stole from future generations, stop being jerks and feel thankful that they made it through before their idiotic system fell apart.

[Noah]

McCain died. Talk radio is bashing him because they say he's a never trumper and voted with D's too much. Morons.

[Sasquatch]

McCain died. Talk radio is bashing him because they say he's a never trumper and voted with D's too much. Morons.

i always thought he was a war-mongering, neocon asshole.

[Noah]

McCain died. Talk radio is bashing him because they say he's a never trumper and voted with D's too much. Morons.

i always thought he was a war-mongering, neocon asshole.

who crossed party lines to fuck up the campaign finance system and allow Obama care.

seems to be the narrative.

[IndyWS6]

He always seemed to me like someone that tried hard to support his party while avoiding the obviously partisan bullshit that led to stalemates. Someone that may disagree with you, but was willing to listen to reason and compromise where needed, especially if getting to an agreement, albeit imperfect, would provide benefit and get things moving in the right direction. I think politics would be far better off if more people subscribed to that approach, but that's just my opinion...

[ajaxlepinski]

Watched a documentary on John McCain's life, last night. John was a good man - a virtual Boy Scout compared to his Congressional colleagues.
His father served on a submarine and his grandfather was an Admiral, so joining the Navy was pretty much obligatory for him.

[Sasquatch]

McCain died. Talk radio is bashing him because they say he's a never trumper and voted with D's too much. Morons.

i always thought he was a war-mongering, neocon asshole.

who crossed party lines to fuck up the campaign finance system and allow Obama care.

seems to be the narrative.

do not know current talk-radio narrative since i don't listen to it.

my opinion is my own.

[Noah]

I think his heart was in the right place. Not always perfect, but who cares at this point. A great senator and human being.

[draelyc]

Watched a documentary on John McCain's life, last night. John was a good man - a virtual Boy Scout compared to his Congressional colleagues.
His father served on a submarine and his grandfather was an Admiral, so joining the Navy was pretty much obligatory for him.

I see him as the last scion of the now-dead "bloodline" of Republicans in the vein of Eisenhower. I often disagreed strongly with his policy ideas, but I never once doubted his patriotism, his love of this country, or his character. I can think of precious few politicians of any stripe of whom I can say the same; none of them are Republicans.

[GuitarBilly]

Watched a documentary on John McCain's life, last night. John was a good man - a virtual Boy Scout compared to his Congressional colleagues.
His father served on a submarine and his grandfather was an Admiral, so joining the Navy was pretty much obligatory for him.

I see him as the last scion of the now-dead "bloodline" of Republicans in the vein of Eisenhower. I often disagreed strongly with his policy ideas, but I never once doubted his patriotism, his love of this country, or his character. I can think of precious few politicians of any stripe of whom I can say the same; none of them are Republicans.

No current Republican is a patriot, loves his/her country and has good morals/character? None? Zero? I am sorry but that's an extremely close-minded, one-sided view... and that is the biggest problem we have in this country today.

[draelyc]

Watched a documentary on John McCain's life, last night. John was a good man - a virtual Boy Scout compared to his Congressional colleagues.
His father served on a submarine and his grandfather was an Admiral, so joining the Navy was pretty much obligatory for him.

I see him as the last scion of the now-dead "bloodline" of Republicans in the vein of Eisenhower. I often disagreed strongly with his policy ideas, but I never once doubted his patriotism, his love of this country, or his character. I can think of precious few politicians of any stripe of whom I can say the same; none of them are Republicans.

No current Republican is a patriot, loves his/her country and has good morals/character? None? Zero? I am sorry but that's an extremely close-minded, one-sided view... and that is the biggest problem we have in this country today.

I’m talking about leaders on the national stage. I’m sure there are millions of them who do in towns and communities throughout the country. But Mitch McConnell? Ted Cruz? Pence? Etc....

That said, I am always open to correction. Name me some good examples that I’m overlooking. I’d actually appreciate that, because I’d LOVE to be wrong about this.

P.S. I don’t see a whole lot of hope from the Democrats, either, in case you thought I was just being mindlessly partisan.

P.P.S. I agree that close-minded, one-sided views are a problem, but I do think we have a few national problems that are slightly bigger than that one. Just sayin’.

[Sasquatch]

Watched a documentary on John McCain's life, last night. John was a good man - a virtual Boy Scout compared to his Congressional colleagues.
His father served on a submarine and his grandfather was an Admiral, so joining the Navy was pretty much obligatory for him.

I see him as the last scion of the now-dead "bloodline" of Republicans in the vein of Eisenhower. I often disagreed strongly with his policy ideas, but I never once doubted his patriotism, his love of this country, or his character. I can think of precious few politicians of any stripe of whom I can say the same; none of them are Republicans.

here are 2 names, 1 a republican, 1 a democrat, who i think love their country and are of pretty good character:

1) rand paul
2) bernie sanders

[fretless]

I remember Mr. McCain for walking right through one of the worst Navy accidents ever and it was caught on film . Ok warning this is a conspiracy tape but it is the best I can find in short notice that explains what happened and no I don't believe the conspiracy . John walked right through that shit . R.I.P.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdaD9I5QN6c[/video]

[clipless bumper]

No current Republican is a patriot, loves his/her country and has good morals/character? None? Zero? I am sorry but that's an extremely close-minded, one-sided view... and that is the biggest problem we have in this country today.

I’m talking about leaders on the national stage. I’m sure there are millions of them who do in towns and communities throughout the country. But Mitch McConnell? Ted Cruz? Pence? Etc....

That said, I am always open to correction. Name me some good examples that I’m overlooking. I’d actually appreciate that, because I’d LOVE to be wrong about this.

P.S. I don’t see a whole lot of hope from the Democrats, either, in case you thought I was just being mindlessly partisan.

P.P.S. I agree that close-minded, one-sided views are a problem, but I do think we have a few national problems that are slightly bigger than that one. Just sayin’.

I'm ready to get blasted for this - but I think Pence sticks to his views/beliefs/principles very closely - and it a Republican team player. I get it that you don't agree with his Christian beliefs (that doesn't sound right, now that I've said it) - but I think he has a strong moral compass - you just put him in the 'evil, heartless, soul-less camp as soon as you don't agree with him.

[draelyc]

Watched a documentary on John McCain's life, last night. John was a good man - a virtual Boy Scout compared to his Congressional colleagues.
His father served on a submarine and his grandfather was an Admiral, so joining the Navy was pretty much obligatory for him.

I see him as the last scion of the now-dead "bloodline" of Republicans in the vein of Eisenhower. I often disagreed strongly with his policy ideas, but I never once doubted his patriotism, his love of this country, or his character. I can think of precious few politicians of any stripe of whom I can say the same; none of them are Republicans.

here are 2 names, 1 a republican, 1 a democrat, who i think love their country and are of pretty good character:

1) rand paul
2) bernie sanders

Thanks, man. I guess I need to know more about Rand Paul as a person. I've disagreed with many (most?) of his policy positions, but then I disagreed with may of McCain's, too. I don't know as much about Paul's character. But as I said, I'm open to learning ~ would you be willing to say a little more about your impressions of him? (Fwiw, I'm genuinely curious, and I'm not in any way looking to dispute anything you say. I really just want to get a different perspective, to try to understand.)

[draelyc]

No current Republican is a patriot, loves his/her country and has good morals/character? None? Zero? I am sorry but that's an extremely close-minded, one-sided view... and that is the biggest problem we have in this country today.

I’m talking about leaders on the national stage. I’m sure there are millions of them who do in towns and communities throughout the country. But Mitch McConnell? Ted Cruz? Pence? Etc....

That said, I am always open to correction. Name me some good examples that I’m overlooking. I’d actually appreciate that, because I’d LOVE to be wrong about this.

P.S. I don’t see a whole lot of hope from the Democrats, either, in case you thought I was just being mindlessly partisan.

P.P.S. I agree that close-minded, one-sided views are a problem, but I do think we have a few national problems that are slightly bigger than that one. Just sayin’.

I'm ready to get blasted for this - but I think Pence sticks to his views/beliefs/principles very closely - and it a Republican team player.

I think you're absolutely correct about both those points.

I get it that you don't agree with his Christian beliefs (that doesn't sound right, now that I've said it)

Well, it isn't quite right, in the sense that that's not an accurate statement of my view of Pence.

From where I sit (and I freely admit that this is *my* personal perspective, not established, universal fact), Pence has embraced a number of dangerous heresies and does not adhere to (orthodox) Christian beliefs. Many of the "Christian" beliefs he holds are actively damaging and are the source of great harm to millions of people. But I do definitely think that Pence truly and thoroughly *believes* what he sees as "Christian" beliefs. On that point, I think he's a stark contrast to Trump, who strikes me as not believing in anything other than promoting the Trump(tm) brand, whether than means using the American flag or using pseudo-Christian rhetoric. Unlike that, Pence is definitely a true believer. I just personally think that what he believes is dangerous. Again, ALL of that is my subjective opinion. I like to think it's an informed opinion, based on education, training, and critical thought, but it is still only my opinion.

- but I think he has a strong moral compass -

I think he's clearly got a very strong compass. He's been remarkably consistent throughout his career ~ again, a stark contrast to Trump.

I just would be very hesitant to call that compass a "moral" one.

you just put him in the 'evil, heartless, soul-less camp as soon as you don't agree with him.

No. That's not it at all (though I understand that pretending that's what I'm doing makes it easier to dismiss my opinion). Hopefully, the comments above have made that clear.

Also hopefully my reply do you didn't feel like getting blasted. I really hope it didn't, because that's certainly the opposite of what I'm trying to do here.

[IndyWS6]

...I just would be very hesitant to call that compass a "moral" one.

By definition, it's a "moral compass", it's just not your view of morality...

[draelyc]

...I just would be very hesitant to call that compass a "moral" one.

By definition, it's a "moral compass", it's just not your view of morality...

That's fair. Hey, if we have alternative facts, we've got to allow for alternative moralities.

I stand corrected.

[Sasquatch]

Watched a documentary on John McCain's life, last night. John was a good man - a virtual Boy Scout compared to his Congressional colleagues.
His father served on a submarine and his grandfather was an Admiral, so joining the Navy was pretty much obligatory for him.

I see him as the last scion of the now-dead "bloodline" of Republicans in the vein of Eisenhower. I often disagreed strongly with his policy ideas, but I never once doubted his patriotism, his love of this country, or his character. I can think of precious few politicians of any stripe of whom I can say the same; none of them are Republicans.

here are 2 names, 1 a republican, 1 a democrat, who i think love their country and are of pretty good character:

1) rand paul
2) bernie sanders

Thanks, man. I guess I need to know more about Rand Paul as a person. I've disagreed with many (most?) of his policy positions, but then I disagreed with may of McCain's, too. I don't know as much about Paul's character. But as I said, I'm open to learning ~ would you be willing to say a little more about your impressions of him? (Fwiw, I'm genuinely curious, and I'm not in any way looking to dispute anything you say. I really just want to get a different perspective, to try to understand.)

as far as politicians go, they are both pretty honest. i don't agree with all stances any one person or party stands on, including myself, and i try to pay as little attention as possible b/c none of this really matter in the grand scheme of things.

typing as little as possible, rand wants prison reform that unfairly targets minorities (most african americans). he performs/has performed free eye surgery to people in haiti, etc...

i've reached my political typing limit for the week, maybe even month. no more keyboarding about politics from me for a bit.

[draelyc]

Watched a documentary on John McCain's life, last night. John was a good man - a virtual Boy Scout compared to his Congressional colleagues.
His father served on a submarine and his grandfather was an Admiral, so joining the Navy was pretty much obligatory for him.

I see him as the last scion of the now-dead "bloodline" of Republicans in the vein of Eisenhower. I often disagreed strongly with his policy ideas, but I never once doubted his patriotism, his love of this country, or his character. I can think of precious few politicians of any stripe of whom I can say the same; none of them are Republicans.

here are 2 names, 1 a republican, 1 a democrat, who i think love their country and are of pretty good character:

1) rand paul
2) bernie sanders

Thanks, man. I guess I need to know more about Rand Paul as a person. I've disagreed with many (most?) of his policy positions, but then I disagreed with may of McCain's, too. I don't know as much about Paul's character. But as I said, I'm open to learning ~ would you be willing to say a little more about your impressions of him? (Fwiw, I'm genuinely curious, and I'm not in any way looking to dispute anything you say. I really just want to get a different perspective, to try to understand.)

as far as politicians go, they are both pretty honest. i don't agree with all stances any one person or party stands on, including myself, and i try to pay as little attention as possible b/c none of this really matter in the grand scheme of things.

typing as little as possible, rand wants prison reform that unfairly targets minorities (most african americans). he performs/has performed free eye surgery to people in haiti, etc...

i've reached my political typing limit for the week, maybe even month. no more keyboarding about politics from me for a bit.

Hey, I really appreciate what you've offered here. You've given me something to think about and explore further, and that's always a good thing! Thank you!

[Noah]

I remember Mr. McCain for walking right through one of the worst Navy accidents ever and it was caught on film . Ok warning this is a conspiracy tape but it is the best I can find in short notice that explains what happened and no I don't believe the conspiracy . John walked right through that shit . R.I.P.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdaD9I5QN6c[/video]

Holy cow that's insane. I've never seen that before.

I went to a museum with some of those old jets sitting around. It's scary just getting into the cockpit. Really tight, a zillion switches and buttons everywhere, metal surfaces, limited visibility. I can't imagine taking one of those things in the air, let alone flying it over a hostile country. Those guys have insane balls to do what they do, and I'm grateful that they're willing to step up.

here are 2 names, 1 a republican, 1 a democrat, who i think love their country and are of pretty good character:1) rand paul2) bernie sanders

Agreed they seem like good guys. They each have some good ideas, but suck as a total package. Paul is way too isolationist, and Sanders is practically a commie. Nice people though, and not weasels looking at the latest poll to tell them what to say.

[Ry Manchu]

I do not think Rand Paul is a patriot to the ideals of America, freedom and democracy. I think he is a patriot to the Rand Institute and their egoistic selfish views of what America should be, which lack altruism or any belief in citizen rights or protection.

[fretless]

It's their job to run the country not run it into the ground . Not lock up children and ship their parents off to places unknown . Not anger all of our allies . They are doing a piss poor job and need to be replaced ASAP. The current legal situation they are in surely makes their piss poor jobs even harder . The establishment , the elitist that skated through law school have pissed on everything our forefathers fought for . They are dogs tearing at the carcass while they still can . Yet we must pay taxes , we must pay for their wars and their health care . While they pretend to be statesmen and above the commoners .

"We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sown resentment and hatred and violence in all corners of the globe. We weaken it when we hide behind walls, rather than tear them down ..." John McCain

[Noah]

It's their job to run the country not run it into the ground . Not lock up children and ship their parents off to places unknown . Not anger all of our allies . They are doing a piss poor job and need to be replaced ASAP. The current legal situation they are in surely makes their piss poor jobs even harder . The establishment , the elitist that skated through law school have pissed on everything our forefathers fought for . They are dogs tearing at the carcass while they still can . Yet we must pay taxes , we must pay for their wars and their health care . While they pretend to be statesmen and above the commoners .

"We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sown resentment and hatred and violence in all corners of the globe. We weaken it when we hide behind walls, rather than tear them down ..." John McCain

Law school is no joke. Hour after hour of boring lectures. Then you've got to take the bar. Too much studying. These guys went through hell.

[fretless]

Law school is no joke. Hour after hour of boring lectures. Then you've got to take the bar. Too much studying. These guys went through hell.

the current group of twats went to the bar and skipped ethics 101