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Devin wrote:Johnny Van Zandt was on the radio last week talking about he got the pfizer shots, then still managed to get the coof and spread it to his entire family
Yeah the full protection happens 2 weeks after the second shot. Until then, you need to be as careful as you were before. That was probably the case here.
And if its not lets wait before we get beyond anecdote and into something demonstrable on a larger scale before we start making assessments either way.
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Devin wrote:Johnny Van Zandt was on the radio last week talking about he got the pfizer shots, then still managed to get the coof and spread it to his entire family
Yeah the full protection happens 2 weeks after the second shot. Until then, you need to be as careful as you were before. That was probably the case here.
And if its not lets wait before we get beyond anecdote and into something demonstrable on a larger scale before we start making assessments either way.
That was exactly the point Rachel Walensky made last night. They have a years' worth of data and since the trials are now moving down the age range to children, they are confident lifting the mask mandate for fully vaccinated adults that are not immuno-comprimised.
The New York yankees are going thru a significant “vaccine breakthrough “, so I doubt it’s just going to be anecdotal. There’s plenty of science and experts who predict that to be the case. Virus is still mutating and considering just in 2018 years he regular flu shot was 10-20% I wonder why we should be surprised when these shots aren’t the end all be all? I guarantee their tears for that shot in 2018 didn’t show 10% effectiveness! Covid will be endemic. “Vaccines” are generally considered as a way of essentially eradicating a virus.
One of Biden’s Current Covid Advisory board members, Michael Osterholm, went on Rogan in March 2020. He was a part of previous administrations Infectious Disease groups and clearly isn’t a quack basically laid out what would happen back then in an honest an unbiased way as he wasn’t in government at the time, and he’s been fairly accurate. Saying this will end up to be an endemic virus like the “regular flu”. And it’ll eventually pass thru the entire population with natural immunity and vaccines eventually slowing the spread. And even in the sense of Polio and measles Where we have an effective vaccine, the reason there are some breakthroughs, and is still active in some countries. is because there have been mutations that avoid the vaccine. But it’s literally just a few mutations. Covid is still mutating and has numerous variations already.
. Whatever. People believe what they want to believe. I know I’ve seen enough “Science” from both sides. Some see this unfolding quite the opposite and real doom and gloom. Some, like Osterholm initially, said millions globally will die and it’ll pass thru the global population before losing its initial potency and become another yearly, changing virus like the flu. So all one can do is follow what they feeL makes the most sense for themselves, because there is no verifiable “science” that says this will be eradicated with vaccine. And since they already talking booster shots and worried about how effective current vaccines are against variants spreading now, you know it’s only a matter of time when the current vaccines will not be effective and Then, get in line again and continually chase that shot year to year or let your body learn to deal with it.
EndTime wrote:The New York yankees are going thru a significant “vaccine breakthrough “, so I doubt it’s just going to be anecdotal. There’s plenty of science and experts who predict that to be the case. Virus is still mutating and considering just in 2018 years he regular flu shot was 10-20% I wonder why we should be surprised when these shots aren’t the end all be all? I guarantee their tears for that shot in 2018 didn’t show 10% effectiveness! Covid will be endemic. “Vaccines” are generally considered as a way of essentially eradicating a virus.
One of Biden’s Current Covid Advisory board members, Michael Osterholm, went on Rogan in March 2020. He was a part of previous administrations Infectious Disease groups and clearly isn’t a quack basically laid out what would happen back then in an honest an unbiased way as he wasn’t in government at the time, and he’s been fairly accurate. Saying this will end up to be an endemic virus like the “regular flu”. And it’ll eventually pass thru the entire population with natural immunity and vaccines eventually slowing the spread. And even in the sense of Polio and measles Where we have an effective vaccine, the reason there are some breakthroughs, and is still active in some countries. is because there have been mutations that avoid the vaccine. But it’s literally just a few mutations. Covid is still mutating and has numerous variations already.
. Whatever. People believe what they want to believe. I know I’ve seen enough “Science” from both sides. Some see this unfolding quite the opposite and real doom and gloom. Some, like Osterholm initially, said millions globally will die and it’ll pass thru the global population before losing its initial potency and become another yearly, changing virus like the flu. So all one can do is follow what they feeL makes the most sense for themselves, because there is no verifiable “science” that says this will be eradicated with vaccine. And since they already talking booster shots and worried about how effective current vaccines are against variants spreading now, you know it’s only a matter of time when the current vaccines will not be effective and Then, get in line again and continually chase that shot year to year or let your body learn to deal with it.
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40-50% of FDA employees have not received the vaccine Pfizer CEO has not be vaccinated 40% of nurses taking a pass 70% of military not vaccinated.
It's not approved by the FDA - it's experimental at this point. All this pressure to take a vaccine that is only partially effective - for a virus that is less than 99.7% deadly is telling to me. I'm still holding off - maybe in a year or two - of course, I may not make it that long............
clipless bumper wrote:some data I was just reading/watching
40-50% of FDA employees have not received the vaccine Pfizer CEO has not be vaccinated 40% of nurses taking a pass 70% of military not vaccinated.
It's not approved by the FDA - it's experimental at this point. All this pressure to take a vaccine that is only partially effective - for a virus that is less than 99.7% deadly is telling to me. I'm still holding off - maybe in a year or two - of course, I may not make it that long............
You read/watch a lot of garbage.
This is all easily refutable (as is ETs post) but I might as well go talk to my door knob. Absolutely futile.
Btw, no one here is asking you to take a vaccine. Do whatever you want. Anyway, we had 23 pages now and evetybody said their piece. Seems like it's only downhill from here. Thread is done.
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