A different perspective on BREXIT

[ajaxlepinski]

[skybluegary]

Man who voted for face-eating leopard party shocked to find face eaten by leopard!

[Marc G]

I mean.... he was right in 2019... they did tour the Europe before the EU, shame it took him two years to remember the logics involved back then and how much of a pain in the ass they were lol

[fretless]

they are all fucked

[Marc G]

they are all fucked

I wouldn't say that.... I doubt the EU will hit the UK with any travel restrictions for musicians nor make it difficult to get the appropriate documentation.... As it is now I'm pretty sure they need to get VISAs to play in the US and Canada so it won't be a big logistic change for them.

[skybluegary]

they are all fucked

I wouldn't say that.... I doubt the EU will hit the UK with any travel restrictions for musicians nor make it difficult to get the appropriate documentation.... As it is now I'm pretty sure they need to get VISAs to play in the US and Canada so it won't be a big logistic change for them.

No mate, it's much more than that, visas, work permits, carnet (for every individual item) customs, checks and possibly very long waits at every border, import, export and tax on merchandise in each country etc.

https://www.nme.com/features/how-brexit ... ts-2604516

[Marc G]

so.... you mean.... like every other country in the world now? lol sorry if I don't have much sympathy when people complain about having to face the same barriers everyone else has to face when it comes to touring etc..... I just can't go to the UK, EU or US and tour, there's LOTS of documentation that has to be sorted out to do that...... if the minimum occupancy requirement for an act to be profitable has gone up then it's up to the artist to ensure they get popular enough to make those numbers and this isn't the 60s where constant touring was how you get that done, we are in the digital age where your band can have fans all over the world. At least when you do get the documentation sorted it's for the EU and not individual countries....

[ajaxlepinski]

EU members can cross borders without jumping through hoops so, it's not the same as a band flying from the USA or Trinidad to do a gig in France.
If a non-EU Turkish band wants to drive across the boarder into EU Bulgaria for a gig, they will have a lot of paperwork. Traveling from EU Hungary to EU Austria is much easier.

The EU is going to break the UK's bullocks on every level possible - they don't want any other country leaving the Union.
The only way the EU can compete with China, Russia and the USA is together - individually, each country is weak.
The UK is in for a lot of tariffs... importing and exporting product, holiday/business travel and many things we can't imagine.

[TurboPablo]

Brexit was generational-y very short sighted and Boris Johnson is a dandy with no real interest in the details(which matter a whole lot). While I can understand the premise in a perfect world, in reality I suspect it will prove to be more of a hassle than it is worth in the not so distant future.

The part that I think is most fascinating is how long Northern Ireland will play ball as part of the kingdom before telling the Brits to get bent. My impression form across the Atlantic is that patience was wearing thin before the exit even began.

But, I have been wrong before.

More on topic, Daltry was very short sighted in his earlier remarks.

[Marc G]

EU members can cross borders without jumping through hoops so, it's not the same as a band flying from the USA or Trinidad to to do a gig in France.

I get that but it's not like the format isn't there, its just a matter for the EU and UK to agree to the terms and conditions for the VISAs and other logistical red tape etc.... Daltrey was extremely naïve to think there would be no changes to touring requirements post Brexit

The EU is going to break the UK's bullocks on every level possible - they don't want any other country leaving the Union.
The only way the EU can deal with Russia is together - individually, each country is weak on their own.
The UK is in for a lot of tariffs... importing and exporting product, holiday/business travel and many things we can't imagine.

I don't think the EU are going to break the UK though, as much as they don't want anyone leaving the majority of the countries there are not like the UK in that they would have a strong economy without the UE, baring Germany, Italy and France and I don't see the three of them leaving any time soon, the rest of the members based on on their GDP are better off staying..... I would rather think the EU will be tough with the UK as a reprimand for leaving BUT not totally shut the door allowing them for a possible return in the future, provide the EU is still a thing....

I'll be honest and say while I haven't really dug in to the nitty gritty of the whole thing, even though my wife's 1st cousin was one of the chief lawyers that drafted the final agreement for the UK Gov't lol, while I get there are compelling reasons to stay I think there are some just as compelling reasons to leave....

[Zozobra]

The whole thing is just a depressing clusterfuck. Yay for massive economic self harm for absolutely no real benefit. The real driver behind this was the EU wanting to clamp down on tax havens, however they tended to not go after members sovereign nations who were acting as havens and the UK vetoed or blocked any legislation anyway. Now we're out though they can go in dry at ramming speed and ream them to bits, as well they should.

[Marc G]

yeah...... it's not that I think the UK can't survive or even thrive outside of the EU, I think they can.... but the paradigm shift will have some serious teething problems and there will be casualties along the way..... the hard part is will it all be for nothing in the end and what are the metrics for success with the move.

[skybluegary]

so.... you mean.... like every other country in the world now? lol sorry if I don't have much sympathy when people complain about having to face the same barriers everyone else has to face when it comes to touring etc..... I just can't go to the UK, EU or US and tour, there's LOTS of documentation that has to be sorted out to do that...... if the minimum occupancy requirement for an act to be profitable has gone up then it's up to the artist to ensure they get popular enough to make those numbers and this isn't the 60s where constant touring was how you get that done, we are in the digital age where your band can have fans all over the world. At least when you do get the documentation sorted it's for the EU and not individual countries....

Yes, but the point is that artists/musos previously didn't have to do that for each of the 27 other countries. bellends like daltry were told what the consequences would be yet still voted for it and continued to champion it, and now the prick is complaining.

[Marc G]

so.... you mean.... like every other country in the world now? lol sorry if I don't have much sympathy when people complain about having to face the same barriers everyone else has to face when it comes to touring etc..... I just can't go to the UK, EU or US and tour, there's LOTS of documentation that has to be sorted out to do that...... if the minimum occupancy requirement for an act to be profitable has gone up then it's up to the artist to ensure they get popular enough to make those numbers and this isn't the 60s where constant touring was how you get that done, we are in the digital age where your band can have fans all over the world. At least when you do get the documentation sorted it's for the EU and not individual countries....

Yes, but the point is that artists/musos previously didn't have to do that for each of the 27 other countries. bellends like daltry were told what the consequences would be yet still voted for it and continued to champion it, and now the prick is complaining.

yeah.... like I said before, Daltrey was clearly talking out of his ass or at least looking at it from his position only since he's not going to have any issues....

[ajaxlepinski]

I'm guessing it's been around for ages but, I'm picking up some new Brit slang...
bellends = dick heads

[EndTime]

Man, if this isn’t a perfect microcosm of media in today’s world. 2 quotes. That’s it. No real context besides trying to paint him as a fool. And already people calling him names and a bellend and him “complaining”. I don’t know the specifics but just being a witness to planet earth 2020 on, my guess is hes not complaining at all about himself. If they ever toured again, I’m quite sure there is plenty of people getting whatver necessary in order for him to tour. I’d be willing to bet he’s speaking up and using whatver platform he has for “regular” mid level musicians who have watched their ability to earn essentially disappear.

And I’d also guess he might be asking for some sort of moratorium to getting Visas because of the Pandemic. Since, it seems that’s making things more difficult at this time. So, besides making sure all people test negative or have a vaccine and whatver else hoops people have to jump thru at this specific time, he’s probably saying let’s lessen the Visas, which I guess Brexit has now made a requirement, and allow musicians to tour again so people can start making money.

And yeah, since there is only 2 small comments to go off; I’m fully assuming what his intent was. I could be wrong but I at least thought beyond how these 2 quotes are trying to paint the narrative. . I’m just highlighting how sad it is that taking quotes on what someone said and then putting it up against past quotes without ANy other info or articles to shed more light is such poor reporting and journalism. Now maybe this wasn’t put forth by a reporter and just some dude who doesn’t like Brexit and thinks The Who sucks. Lol. But, clearly a reporter went forward with it and chose all the right words to smear someone’s character. So some actual context would be great if people can go back to that again and form opinions. This way none of us have to assume his intent and reasons

[ajaxlepinski]

I guess this is a political thread after all... even though it's across the pond news.
My apologies.

[Zozobra]

Yeah,lock plz. No good will come of this and here is one of the few places where I can get away from it

[ajaxlepinski]

I'll send Bill a PM.

[skybluegary]

Man, if this isn’t a perfect microcosm of media in today’s world. 2 quotes. That’s it. No real context besides trying to paint him as a fool. And already people calling him names and a bellend and him “complaining”. I don’t know the specifics but just being a witness to planet earth 2020 on, my guess is hes not complaining at all about himself. If they ever toured again, I’m quite sure there is plenty of people getting whatver necessary in order for him to tour. I’d be willing to bet he’s speaking up and using whatver platform he has for “regular” mid level musicians who have watched their ability to earn essentially disappear.

And I’d also guess he might be asking for some sort of moratorium to getting Visas because of the Pandemic. Since, it seems that’s making things more difficult at this time. So, besides making sure all people test negative or have a vaccine and whatver else hoops people have to jump thru at this specific time, he’s probably saying let’s lessen the Visas, which I guess Brexit has now made a requirement, and allow musicians to tour again so people can start making money.

And yeah, since there is only 2 small comments to go off; I’m fully assuming what his intent was. I could be wrong but I at least thought beyond how these 2 quotes are trying to paint the narrative. . I’m just highlighting how sad it is that taking quotes on what someone said and then putting it up against past quotes without ANy other info or articles to shed more light is such poor reporting and journalism. Now maybe this wasn’t put forth by a reporter and just some dude who doesn’t like Brexit and thinks The Who sucks. Lol. But, clearly a reporter went forward with it and chose all the right words to smear someone’s character. So some actual context would be great if people can go back to that again and form opinions. This way none of us have to assume his intent and reasons

Clearly.

[GuitarBilly]