Gibson told to leave USA?

[DEADBYDAWN]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mNJy0x1-P8[/video]

[Telephant]

I'm not even going to watch this Alex Jones non sense. Every time I see that chump around town I want to punch him in the throat. He sure is making that money though.

[Dave]

Alex jones is a raving lunatic. I am not watching hat fat fuck fear monger

[***1776***]

Alex Jones is a nut and has said some crazy shit (wont argue that) but..

.. after all the shit we see the goverment has done in recent week or so (targeting citizens via: IRS, drone strike on US citizen, and wiretapping reporters/media, etc) -- would it really be a surprise? Seriously with all the shit we have seen develop recently would it suprise you guys?

[VTM]

Alex jones is a raving lunatic. I am not watching hat fat fuck fear monger

Hat fat fuck fear. I love the way that rolls off the tongue.

[sleewell]

never heard of this alex jones, is local to TX? is he crazier than henry j?

[ComOp]

Alex Jones is a nut and has said some crazy shit (wont argue that) but..

.. after all the shit we see the goverment has done in recent week or so (targeting citizens via: IRS, drone strike on US citizen, and wiretapping reporters/media, etc) -- would it really be a surprise? Seriously with all the shit we have seen develop recently would it suprise you guys?

Obama is coming for your guns, you better baracade yourself in your house.

[***1776***]

Alex Jones is a nut and has said some crazy shit (wont argue that) but..

.. after all the shit we see the goverment has done in recent week or so (targeting citizens via: IRS, drone strike on US citizen, and wiretapping reporters/media, etc) -- would it really be a surprise? Seriously with all the shit we have seen develop recently would it suprise you guys?

Obama is coming for your guns, you better baracade yourself in your house.

I dont own a gun and have no desire to own a gun


And you have nothing to add to the topic? ok got it

[flyingskull]

rosewood fingerbirds pls

[ComOp]

I dont own a gun and have no desire to own a gun


And you have nothing to add to the topic? ok got it

Obama is coming for your rosewood fretboard, you better baracade yourself in your house.

[***1776***]

Alex Jones is a nut and has said some crazy shit (wont argue that) but..

.. after all the shit we see the goverment has done in recent week or so (targeting citizens via: IRS, drone strike on US citizen, and wiretapping reporters/media, etc) -- would it really be a surprise? Seriously with all the shit we have seen develop recently would it suprise you guys?

I don't think the investigation of conservative groups 501 (c)(4) status that chose names which identified them as being affiliated with known political organizations can be labeled as "targeting citizens." I do agree with you on the subpoena of AP office's phone records though, that should be investigated to be sure it was not just a blanket dragnet operation, and actually had some evidence and valid purpose backing it up. As for the drone strike, well that's a hard one. As much as I am a supporter or the protection of civil rights, if we had no way of apprehending this individual or seeking extradition, then is it really better to leave him out there?

Arab i respectfull disagree - these people/citizens and organizations were singled out by the IRS-Treasury for their political beliefs, plain and simple, end of story. 501C tax exempt etc should they exempt? - thats a whole other story but in *this* particular case it was terrible by the govt to do this

I give Obama and others credit for realizing this and aknowledging that this is not acceptable - again go see the video i posted in the other thread (The CNBC video) the discussion they had and talking points brought up

I just think its very difficult to defend the goverments actions in this and it seems like your trying to defend them - its fvcking flat out wrong to do what they did and inexusable imo

[flyingskull]

I dont own a gun and have no desire to own a gun


And you have nothing to add to the topic? ok got it

Obama is coming for your rosewood fretboard, you better baracade yourself in your house.

First it was Clinton and his black tanks, then Bush and his black helicopters. Now Obama and his black... WAIT A SECOND !

[Ostinato Rubato]

"I believe Alex Jones "


ultimate tongue in cheek T-shit/bumper sticker

[***1776***]

Alex Jones is a nut and has said some crazy shit (wont argue that) but..

.. after all the shit we see the goverment has done in recent week or so (targeting citizens via: IRS, drone strike on US citizen, and wiretapping reporters/media, etc) -- would it really be a surprise? Seriously with all the shit we have seen develop recently would it suprise you guys?

I don't think the investigation of conservative groups 501 (c)(4) status that chose names which identified them as being affiliated with known political organizations can be labeled as "targeting citizens." I do agree with you on the subpoena of AP office's phone records though, that should be investigated to be sure it was not just a blanket dragnet operation, and actually had some evidence and valid purpose backing it up. As for the drone strike, well that's a hard one. As much as I am a supporter or the protection of civil rights, if we had no way of apprehending this individual or seeking extradition, then is it really better to leave him out there?

Arab i respectfull disagree - these people/citizens and organizations were singled out by the IRS-Treasury for their political beliefs, plain and simple, end of story. 501C tax exempt etc should they exempt? - thats a whole other story but in *this* particular case it was terrible by the govt to do this

I give Obama and others credit for realizing this and aknowledging that this is not acceptable - again go see the video i posted in the other thread (The CNBC video) the discussion they had and talking points brought up

I just think its very difficult to defend the goverments actions in this and it seems like your trying to defend them - its fvcking flat out wrong to do what they did and inexusable imo

They were singled out because it appeared that politics was the purpose of their organizations, which is in flagrant violation of the tax code. If they aren't investigated then how is the IRS supposed to determine if this was actually the case or not?

If it comes out in the end that all of these organizations were in fact political in nature, and that they were violating the tax code, then will you say the IRS was justified, and that the people trying to make this look like a political witch-hunt for their own political ends should resign from office or be voted out in the next election?

Arab your stretching the 1st part of your post (really stretching, they were singled out, no ifs ends or butts) how do you not say they werent singled out? they CLEARLY were


I will say lets have more facts come in, but you sound like your not 2 uncomfortable with this, stuff like this stinks to high-heaven and REEEKS really bad, lets have more information come out but shit like this is REALLY tough to defend

[Markdude]

1776, you should trademark the shrug smiley.

[madryan]

Alex Jones is a nut and has said some crazy shit (wont argue that) but..

.. after all the shit we see the goverment has done in recent week or so (targeting citizens via: IRS, drone strike on US citizen, and wiretapping reporters/media, etc) -- would it really be a surprise? Seriously with all the shit we have seen develop recently would it suprise you guys?

I don't think the investigation of conservative groups 501 (c)(4) status that chose names which identified them as being affiliated with known political organizations can be labeled as "targeting citizens." I do agree with you on the subpoena of AP office's phone records though, that should be investigated to be sure it was not just a blanket dragnet operation, and actually had some evidence and valid purpose backing it up. As for the drone strike, well that's a hard one. As much as I am a supporter or the protection of civil rights, if we had no way of apprehending this individual or seeking extradition, then is it really better to leave him out there?

Arab i respectfull disagree - these people/citizens and organizations were singled out by the IRS-Treasury for their political beliefs, plain and simple, end of story. 501C tax exempt etc should they exempt? - thats a whole other story but in *this* particular case it was terrible by the govt to do this

I give Obama and others credit for realizing this and aknowledging that this is not acceptable - again go see the video i posted in the other thread (The CNBC video) the discussion they had and talking points brought up

I just think its very difficult to defend the goverments actions in this and it seems like your trying to defend them - its fvcking flat out wrong to do what they did and inexusable imo

There's a fundamental difference between most "progressive" groups and most "conservative" groups.

Progressive groups typically exist to fulfill a need in society. They're do-gooders. They're groups like the ACLU, the NAACP, etc. "Conservative" groups, especially anyone affiliated with the teatards are by definition the polar opposite of a Social Welfare group. Most of them believe the rich and those who earn a living should keep all their money and the poor should starve in the ditch. The teatards out here in Josephine County can't even be bothered to pay taxes so they can have law enforcement.

It's essentially the core difference between Progressive and Conservative ideology. Calling yourself a Charity and applying for 501C status and being affiliated with the Tea Party movement is laughable.

[***1776***]

Alex Jones is a nut and has said some crazy shit (wont argue that) but..

.. after all the shit we see the goverment has done in recent week or so (targeting citizens via: IRS, drone strike on US citizen, and wiretapping reporters/media, etc) -- would it really be a surprise? Seriously with all the shit we have seen develop recently would it suprise you guys?

I don't think the investigation of conservative groups 501 (c)(4) status that chose names which identified them as being affiliated with known political organizations can be labeled as "targeting citizens." I do agree with you on the subpoena of AP office's phone records though, that should be investigated to be sure it was not just a blanket dragnet operation, and actually had some evidence and valid purpose backing it up. As for the drone strike, well that's a hard one. As much as I am a supporter or the protection of civil rights, if we had no way of apprehending this individual or seeking extradition, then is it really better to leave him out there?

Arab i respectfull disagree - these people/citizens and organizations were singled out by the IRS-Treasury for their political beliefs, plain and simple, end of story. 501C tax exempt etc should they exempt? - thats a whole other story but in *this* particular case it was terrible by the govt to do this

I give Obama and others credit for realizing this and aknowledging that this is not acceptable - again go see the video i posted in the other thread (The CNBC video) the discussion they had and talking points brought up

I just think its very difficult to defend the goverments actions in this and it seems like your trying to defend them - its fvcking flat out wrong to do what they did and inexusable imo

There's a fundamental difference between most "progressive" groups and most "conservative" groups.

Progressive groups typically exist to fulfill a need in society. They're do-gooders. They're groups like the ACLU, the NAACP, etc. "Conservative" groups, especially anyone affiliated with the teatards are by definition the polar opposite of a Social Welfare group. Most of them believe the rich and those who earn a living should keep all their money and the poor should starve in the ditch. The teatards out here in Josephine County can't even be bothered to pay taxes so they can have law enforcement.

It's essentially the core difference between Progressive and Conservative ideology. Calling yourself a Charity and applying for 501C status and being affiliated with the Tea Party movement is laughable.

Part of your post is factually incorrect and truly shows the difference between ideology

With liberalism is about 'intent and where your heart is' etc, etc no matter how bad the track record shows how unchecked liberalism hurts sectors of society and traps people and families and those who rely on government to micro-manage their lives 24/7 to live in the utopian nannystate. (To be honest there are some wash DC establishment Reps who do this as well)

Media matters, Moveon.Org, and other big George Soros backed liberal pacs are 110% PARTISON, who you trying to kid?

That said I disagree with conservatives on many issues as well

[madryan]

Alex Jones is a nut and has said some crazy shit (wont argue that) but..

.. after all the shit we see the goverment has done in recent week or so (targeting citizens via: IRS, drone strike on US citizen, and wiretapping reporters/media, etc) -- would it really be a surprise? Seriously with all the shit we have seen develop recently would it suprise you guys?

I don't think the investigation of conservative groups 501 (c)(4) status that chose names which identified them as being affiliated with known political organizations can be labeled as "targeting citizens." I do agree with you on the subpoena of AP office's phone records though, that should be investigated to be sure it was not just a blanket dragnet operation, and actually had some evidence and valid purpose backing it up. As for the drone strike, well that's a hard one. As much as I am a supporter or the protection of civil rights, if we had no way of apprehending this individual or seeking extradition, then is it really better to leave him out there?

Arab i respectfull disagree - these people/citizens and organizations were singled out by the IRS-Treasury for their political beliefs, plain and simple, end of story. 501C tax exempt etc should they exempt? - thats a whole other story but in *this* particular case it was terrible by the govt to do this

I give Obama and others credit for realizing this and aknowledging that this is not acceptable - again go see the video i posted in the other thread (The CNBC video) the discussion they had and talking points brought up

I just think its very difficult to defend the goverments actions in this and it seems like your trying to defend them - its fvcking flat out wrong to do what they did and inexusable imo

There's a fundamental difference between most "progressive" groups and most "conservative" groups.

Progressive groups typically exist to fulfill a need in society. They're do-gooders. They're groups like the ACLU, the NAACP, etc. "Conservative" groups, especially anyone affiliated with the teatards are by definition the polar opposite of a Social Welfare group. Most of them believe the rich and those who earn a living should keep all their money and the poor should starve in the ditch. The teatards out here in Josephine County can't even be bothered to pay taxes so they can have law enforcement.

It's essentially the core difference between Progressive and Conservative ideology. Calling yourself a Charity and applying for 501C status and being affiliated with the Tea Party movement is laughable.

Part of your post is factually incorrect and truly shows the difference between ideology

With liberalism is about 'intent and where your heart is' etc, etc no matter how bad the track record shows how unchecked liberalism hurts sectors of society and traps people and families and those who rely on government to micro-manage their lives 24/7 to live in the utopian nannystate. (To be honest there are some wash DC establishment Reps who do this as well)

Media matters, Moveon.Org, and other big George Soros backed liberal pacs are 110% PARTISON, who you trying to kid?

That said I disagree with conservatives on many issues as well

No, it's just that progressives and liberals actually understand the true nature of Capitalism, which is that you're always going to have people scraping the bottom of the barrel, no matter how successful the rest of the market is. Those people, as a demographic, need a bit of help or they, and their kids become a permanent poverty class, and/or starve to death.

Why is it the biggest give-aways in our society are actually for folks who live on their Dividend and capital gains income? If you ask me someone who works two minimum wage jobs in a high cost of living area to scrape by needs the help way more than Mitt Romney and his creepy kids.

[Lloyd Blankfein]

I don't consider myself a conservative or a liberal but the conservative principle to wealth does align with my views.

I took a lot of risk, made the most out of the minuscule opportunity I was given and pretty much stayed on a true course throughout.

Hell, I was a college educated farm laborer alongside immigrants.

I made the sacrifice and took the shit so that I could learn and be better prepared for my own operation. Sometimes that's what you have to do.

My friends go out drinking, have fun and essentially give no fucks about anything. I stayed in, saved my pennies, went to college, started a business.

I refuse to see or even justify why my labor and sacrifice has to be prorated so that everyone that fucked off can survive. I hire competent accountants to ensure they don't.

That mindset will never change- I'm sorry. I've been through too much, sacrificed more than I needed to and missed out on a lot of my early 20's in the pursuit of success to have it taken from me.

It aggravates me further to see taxes that were designed for a purpose be pissed into the wind.

Remember fuel taxes? Supposed to repair roads? CA has the highest fuel taxes in the nation and the money was swiped and spent on other projects.

It's a big shell game and I try to reduce my liability in that game by investing in my own corporation with equipment.

[Lloyd Blankfein]

If you ask me someone who works two minimum wage jobs in a high cost of living area to scrape by needs the help way more than Mitt Romney and his creepy kids.

No, they need to realize that their skills will never earn them a standard of living in that area.

I'd love to live in Beverly Hills, but my skills won't take me there. So, I have to live in an area where my skills do work.

Everyone wants to live in the 'it' places, just don't expect someone else to subsidize those same people's geographical dreams.

They need to move to Scranton.

If you want the nice house in the gated community, go earn it.

[Lloyd Blankfein]

I also agree more facts are needed. And just like I felt with the Scooter Libby case, and Iran Contra, if you're a government employee under investigation for actions taken when you were on the government payroll, then you should in no way be allowed to plead the 5th. The public should be able to get a full and accurate account of ALL actions taken in their name.

Retirement pensions need to start getting stripped.

That's how you solve this problem.

[madryan]

If you ask me someone who works two minimum wage jobs in a high cost of living area to scrape by needs the help way more than Mitt Romney and his creepy kids.

No, they need to realize that their skills will never earn them a standard of living in that area.

I'd love to live in Beverly Hills, but my skills won't take me there. So, I have to live in an area where my skills do work.

Everyone wants to live in the 'it' places, just don't expect someone else to subsidize those same people's geographical dreams.

They need to move to Scranton.

If you want the nice house in the gated community, go earn it.

Cost of living is a relative thing. You can't get by on your own on minimum wage anywhere in the US. If you live anywhere on the East or West coast your cost of living is much higher than the middle of America. It's not a neighborhood thing, it's a region thing. In my area it's relatively high cost to live. Sure there are areas which are much higher and areas which are much lower but our "low cost" areas are still a shitload higher to live in than somewhere in the South or the flyover states.

So what's someone who's got no net worth, they've got no wage earning potential, and no education to speak of supposed to do? They were born and raised on the west coast and it's expensive. They're gonna pony up several thousand dollars so they can move to rural Kentucky where it's cheap to live?

Riiiiiight...

[Lloyd Blankfein]

Take advantage of the many grants and financial aid available (that even covers cost of living) and goto school.

That's why the programs exist. The individual still needs to take the initiative, which they aren't. Why aren't they? Some peolle just dont care about improving their situation... and at that point, it's a self-made problem- not society's.

I see many of my workers who have zero education and are often undocumented (I can't prove it, but lets get real). Their children are going to college and attaining a dream. It makes me happy to see that. It makes me happier knowing that the system is working in that particular case.


However, I see lots of dipshits that refuse to take care of themselves. They come from generational assisted families and have no care to break the chain. Why are we subsidizing them? Cut the rope, let them sink.

[madryan]

Take advantage of the many grants and financial aid available (that even covers cost of living) and goto school.

That's why the programs exist. The individual still needs to take the initiative, which they aren't. Why aren't they? Some peolle just dont care about improving their situation... and at that point, it's a self-made problem- not society's.

I see many of my workers who have zero education and are often undocumented (I can't prove it, but lets get real). Their children are going to college and attaining a dream. It makes me happy to see that. It makes me happier knowing that the system is working in that particular case.


However, I see lots of dipshits that refuse to take care of themselves. They come from generational assisted families and have no care to break the chain. Why are we subsidizing them? Cut the rope, let them sink.

Not trying to piss in your wheaties but that's the error in thinking that lots of people make.

I'm not talking about individuals. Lots of people do in fact take advantage of those things and pull themselves out of poverty and do well. Lots of people lack the fundamental tools to do so, be it ability or whatever.

The fact though is that when you look at the societal problem of poverty you can't look at individuals, but must instead look at the entire class of people who live at the bottom. That group is made up of people and it's to a certain extent fairly dynamic but the more opportunity you give people to get out the better overall. The fact remains, however, that you'll never entirely get rid of poverty. You'll always have those folks for a whole host of reasons, many of which have nothing to do with the individual.

That's why a society needs to decide whether it values everyone, or just the fat cats. Over the last 3 or 4 decades we've gone from helping those on the bottom to helping those on the top proportionally more. I know it doesn't seem that way but if you look at it in terms of government expenditure we spend far, far more on cuts and breaks for guys in Mitt Romney's tax bracket than we do for people who are barely scraping by.

I get it, I understand why we do it. It doesn't make it "right" though.

[Lloyd Blankfein]

You don't "spend" on cuts. We aren't 'spending' anything on clowns like mitt.

Now, with that said, capital gains/dividends need to be taxed at the same rate an operating corp are. If they can reduce their liability by reinvesting in themselves, fine.