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wat wrote:I drove by this sign the other night. I want to understand the meaning, anybody have any ideas?![]()
wat wrote:So, don't question and don't think? Just blindly accept that the millions of landfaring species on earth all fit on Noah's Ark or I'll burn in hell for all eternity, got it
marshallnoise wrote:wat wrote:I drove by this sign the other night. I want to understand the meaning, anybody have any ideas?![]()
"When you're at the edge of reason...take a leap of faith."
It is just a quote and not taken from scripture per se, but from a religious perspective, it essentially says that when you have taken reason as far as you can and you don't have anywhere else to go because you are still looking for answers, look to faith.
At least that's how I would read it.
Let the mockery commence.
Cflat wrote:marshallnoise wrote:wat wrote:I drove by this sign the other night. I want to understand the meaning, anybody have any ideas?![]()
"When you're at the edge of reason...take a leap of faith."
It is just a quote and not taken from scripture per se, but from a religious perspective, it essentially says that when you have taken reason as far as you can and you don't have anywhere else to go because you are still looking for answers, look to faith.
At least that's how I would read it.
Let the mockery commence.
You asked for it,.........
Rephrased for mockery: When you have taken reason as far as you think you can, logical fallacies are your only option! Particularly, The Argument from Ignorance. Because god damn it, if I can't personally think of a better explanation or any explanation at all, a made-up one is the best choice.
marshallnoise wrote:Cflat wrote:marshallnoise wrote:wat wrote:I drove by this sign the other night. I want to understand the meaning, anybody have any ideas?![]()
"When you're at the edge of reason...take a leap of faith."
It is just a quote and not taken from scripture per se, but from a religious perspective, it essentially says that when you have taken reason as far as you can and you don't have anywhere else to go because you are still looking for answers, look to faith.
At least that's how I would read it.
Let the mockery commence.
You asked for it,.........
Rephrased for mockery: When you have taken reason as far as you think you can, logical fallacies are your only option! Particularly, The Argument from Ignorance. Because god damn it, if I can't personally think of a better explanation or any explanation at all, a made-up one is the best choice.
Fixed.
Cflat wrote:marshallnoise wrote:Cflat wrote:marshallnoise wrote:wat wrote:I drove by this sign the other night. I want to understand the meaning, anybody have any ideas?![]()
"When you're at the edge of reason...take a leap of faith."
It is just a quote and not taken from scripture per se, but from a religious perspective, it essentially says that when you have taken reason as far as you can and you don't have anywhere else to go because you are still looking for answers, look to faith.
At least that's how I would read it.
Let the mockery commence.
You asked for it,.........
Rephrased for mockery: When you have taken reason as far as you think you can, logical fallacies are your only option! Particularly, The Argument from Ignorance. Because god damn it, if I can't personally think of a better explanation or any explanation at all, a made-up one is the best choice.
Fixed.
Well, it is accurate. That exactly describes the argument from ignorance. Mockery or not. Nice rebuttal, by the way. You make excellent points.
marshallnoise wrote:Cflat wrote:marshallnoise wrote:Cflat wrote:marshallnoise wrote:wat wrote:I drove by this sign the other night. I want to understand the meaning, anybody have any ideas?![]()
"When you're at the edge of reason...take a leap of faith."
It is just a quote and not taken from scripture per se, but from a religious perspective, it essentially says that when you have taken reason as far as you can and you don't have anywhere else to go because you are still looking for answers, look to faith.
At least that's how I would read it.
Let the mockery commence.
You asked for it,.........
Rephrased for mockery: When you have taken reason as far as you think you can, logical fallacies are your only option! Particularly, The Argument from Ignorance. Because god damn it, if I can't personally think of a better explanation or any explanation at all, a made-up one is the best choice.
Fixed.
Well, it is accurate. That exactly describes the argument from ignorance. Mockery or not. Nice rebuttal, by the way. You make excellent points.
Personal opinion noted.
Cflat wrote:marshallnoise wrote:Cflat wrote:marshallnoise wrote:Cflat wrote:marshallnoise wrote:wat wrote:I drove by this sign the other night. I want to understand the meaning, anybody have any ideas?![]()
"When you're at the edge of reason...take a leap of faith."
It is just a quote and not taken from scripture per se, but from a religious perspective, it essentially says that when you have taken reason as far as you can and you don't have anywhere else to go because you are still looking for answers, look to faith.
At least that's how I would read it.
Let the mockery commence.
You asked for it,.........
Rephrased for mockery: When you have taken reason as far as you think you can, logical fallacies are your only option! Particularly, The Argument from Ignorance. Because god damn it, if I can't personally think of a better explanation or any explanation at all, a made-up one is the best choice.
Fixed.
Well, it is accurate. That exactly describes the argument from ignorance. Mockery or not. Nice rebuttal, by the way. You make excellent points.
Personal opinion noted.
Look up Subjectivist Fallacy, or Relativist Fallacy. Here, I'll even provide a link for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativist_fallacy
You have a right to your own opinions. You do not have a right to your own facts.
marshallnoise wrote:
Where is the established fact here that I am saying is relative?
"When you are at the edge of reason...take a leap of faith" does not = (1) No one has been able to disprove the existence of God. Therefore: (2) God exists.
It is your opinion that "When you are at the edge of reason...take a leap of faith" is the same thing as the Argument of Ignorance, but it simply something that you parade around as if is a fact.
marshallnoise wrote:Consequently, (1) No one has been able to disprove the existence of God. Therefore: (2) God exists. is the exact same thing as (1) No one has been able to prove the existence of God. Therefore: (2) God doesn't exist. I do hope you see that.
marshallnoise wrote:The truth is, "When you are at the edge of reason...take a leap of faith" is merely inviting someone to explore something other than "reason."
marshallnoise wrote:All the sign does is poorly link up two clichés in order to bring people in to the church. Crappy marketing.
Cflat wrote:marshallnoise wrote:
Where is the established fact here that I am saying is relative?
"When you are at the edge of reason...take a leap of faith" does not = (1) No one has been able to disprove the existence of God. Therefore: (2) God exists.
It is your opinion that "When you are at the edge of reason...take a leap of faith" is the same thing as the Argument of Ignorance, but it simply something that you parade around as if is a fact.
Faith is believing things without evidence. So yes, that is the argument from ignorance. "When you are at the edge of reason, believe things without evidence." is a form of the argument from ignorance.marshallnoise wrote:Consequently, (1) No one has been able to disprove the existence of God. Therefore: (2) God exists. is the exact same thing as (1) No one has been able to prove the existence of God. Therefore: (2) God doesn't exist. I do hope you see that.
I'm well aware, thanks.marshallnoise wrote:The truth is, "When you are at the edge of reason...take a leap of faith" is merely inviting someone to explore something other than "reason."
While that may be sound advice (lol), please see above. Unless you are using a different definition of faith? In either case, it is complete shit advice.marshallnoise wrote:All the sign does is poorly link up two clichés in order to bring people in to the church. Crappy marketing.
I disagree. I'm of the opinion that it is effective marketing. It plays on that which humans are susceptible to. We are natural born supernaturalists. Logical fallacies come natural to us. Which is why we need to be conscious of them.
marshallnoise wrote:Cflat wrote:marshallnoise wrote:
Where is the established fact here that I am saying is relative?
"When you are at the edge of reason...take a leap of faith" does not = (1) No one has been able to disprove the existence of God. Therefore: (2) God exists.
It is your opinion that "When you are at the edge of reason...take a leap of faith" is the same thing as the Argument of Ignorance, but it simply something that you parade around as if is a fact.
Faith is believing things without evidence. So yes, that is the argument from ignorance. "When you are at the edge of reason, believe things without evidence." is a form of the argument from ignorance.marshallnoise wrote:Consequently, (1) No one has been able to disprove the existence of God. Therefore: (2) God exists. is the exact same thing as (1) No one has been able to prove the existence of God. Therefore: (2) God doesn't exist. I do hope you see that.
I'm well aware, thanks.marshallnoise wrote:The truth is, "When you are at the edge of reason...take a leap of faith" is merely inviting someone to explore something other than "reason."
While that may be sound advice (lol), please see above. Unless you are using a different definition of faith? In either case, it is complete shit advice.marshallnoise wrote:All the sign does is poorly link up two clichés in order to bring people in to the church. Crappy marketing.
I disagree. I'm of the opinion that it is effective marketing. It plays on that which humans are susceptible to. We are natural born supernaturalists. Logical fallacies come natural to us. Which is why we need to be conscious of them.
I just think it is interesting that you say people are ignorant for not coming to rational conclusions while using "rational" thought to disprove something that can't be proven one way or another via reason. Isn't that an irrational application of reason?
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draelyc wrote:Most of you have missed the point entirely, either deliberately or out of ignorance of the history of Christian thought. It's a paraphrase of Thomas Aquinas, one of the most scholarly and learned -- and resonable -- theologians who ever lived. Look him up, do a bit of research, and drop the deliberate, belligerent, acrimonious ignorance.
Peace, y'all!
C.
draelyc wrote:Most of you have missed the point entirely, either deliberately or out of ignorance of the history of Christian thought. It's a paraphrase of Thomas Aquinas, one of the most scholarly and learned -- and resonable -- theologians who ever lived. Look him up, do a bit of research, and drop the deliberate, belligerent, acrimonious ignorance.
Peace, y'all!
C.
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