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Yes, i'm an amateur physics and space nerd. My Dad was a physicist and my brother is an astrophysicist, so it's in the family. I am a 3D motion graphic designer... whatever... shut up.
So I'm sure you all have seen this. While the photo itself is underwhelming at face value, it's one of the most significant photo's ever produced IMO. It shows and proves so much.
Check this vid out to see what we're all looking at.
They probably didn't release what black hole they were looking at when this vid was made. It isn't Sag A* which this host suggests. As far as i know, from our vantage point, it literally is impossible to get an image of Sag A*, but the rest is relevant. He even predicts what the image would look like before it was even released and he was dead on accurate. Good watch.
Edit: They did image Sagittarius A* as well. It just isn't a great pic
I recall that too. But even just a few years ago they said this day would likely NEVER happen. Even tho within the last 5 years, or so, they did “see” Sag a Star by mapping the orbit of hyper speed stars orbiting around it. I mean, they did essentially see it by that process, but they said to actually see it would be impossible
EndTime wrote:I recall that too. But even just a few years ago they said this day would likely NEVER happen. Even tho within the last 5 years, or so, they did “see” Sag a Star by mapping the orbit of hyper speed stars orbiting around it. I mean, they did essentially see it by that process, but they said to actually see it would be impossible
hahaha.. Exactly. I watched the same shows you watched. My understanding was we had light years worth of stars to try to see through and then an accretion disk, then a super ultra bright area around the event horizon. Then a few people are like... fuck that... hold my beaker...
EndTime wrote:I recall that too. But even just a few years ago they said this day would likely NEVER happen. Even tho within the last 5 years, or so, they did “see” Sag a Star by mapping the orbit of hyper speed stars orbiting around it. I mean, they did essentially see it by that process, but they said to actually see it would be impossible
hahaha.. Exactly. I watched the same shows you watched. My understanding was we had light years worth of stars to try to see through and then an accretion disk, then a super ultra bright area around the event horizon. Then a few people are like... fuck that... hold my beaker...
Lol. I know. In science terms this did move at light speed.
And we probably have seen the same stuff. If it’s on TV somewhere, I’ve seen it a half dozen times . Haha. It’s a lot to take in sometimes so I just watch these shows over and over.
How bout the fact we would never see an object actually cross the Event Horizon. Now, I KNOW we aren’t close to observing that. But the idea that time, to us, would appear to stop even tho that object crossed over.. I’m still trying to fully comprehend why humans could never observe that and how time essentially stops from our view
EndTime wrote:I recall that too. But even just a few years ago they said this day would likely NEVER happen. Even tho within the last 5 years, or so, they did “see” Sag a Star by mapping the orbit of hyper speed stars orbiting around it. I mean, they did essentially see it by that process, but they said to actually see it would be impossible
hahaha.. Exactly. I watched the same shows you watched. My understanding was we had light years worth of stars to try to see through and then an accretion disk, then a super ultra bright area around the event horizon. Then a few people are like... fuck that... hold my beaker...
Lol. I know. In science terms this did move at light speed.
And we probably have seen the same stuff. If it’s on TV somewhere, I’ve seen it a half dozen times . Haha. It’s a lot to take in sometimes so I just watch these shows over and over.
How bout the fact we would never see an object actually cross the Event Horizon. Now, I KNOW we aren’t close to observing that. But the idea that time, to us, would appear to stop even tho that object crossed over.. I’m still trying to fully comprehend why humans could never observe that and how time essentially stops from our view
That always has me guessing. So theoretically, if something crosses the event horizon, someone witnessing it from the outside would see that certain something just stop... frozen forever. Like a sticker slapped on the event horizon. Now... would we see everything that ever went beyond the event horizon or only what we witnessed? The fun thing is, it would seem like an eternity to the "thing" being sucked in before it actually got sucked it. Time would slow to an almost halt for that "thing" before the atoms spaghettified, but we'd see, from a safe vantage point... as described above.
Also, The Science Channel has like 3 or 4 shows on rotation that are pretty up to date within a 6 month period. All the shows are essentially the same show with different narrator's, but the same 4 or 5 scientists talking about shit. I watch those faithfully as they can usually layman things up enough to make it understandable and with fairly up to date info. I'd say in July or August, we'd see one of these shows talking about this very moment.
EndTime wrote:I recall that too. But even just a few years ago they said this day would likely NEVER happen. Even tho within the last 5 years, or so, they did “see” Sag a Star by mapping the orbit of hyper speed stars orbiting around it. I mean, they did essentially see it by that process, but they said to actually see it would be impossible
hahaha.. Exactly. I watched the same shows you watched. My understanding was we had light years worth of stars to try to see through and then an accretion disk, then a super ultra bright area around the event horizon. Then a few people are like... fuck that... hold my beaker...
Lol. I know. In science terms this did move at light speed.
And we probably have seen the same stuff. If it’s on TV somewhere, I’ve seen it a half dozen times . Haha. It’s a lot to take in sometimes so I just watch these shows over and over.
How bout the fact we would never see an object actually cross the Event Horizon. Now, I KNOW we aren’t close to observing that. But the idea that time, to us, would appear to stop even tho that object crossed over.. I’m still trying to fully comprehend why humans could never observe that and how time essentially stops from our view
That always has me guessing. So theoretically, if something crosses the event horizon, someone witnessing it from the outside would see that certain something just stop... frozen forever. Like a sticker slapped on the event horizon. Now... would we see everything that ever went beyond the event horizon or only what we witnessed? The fun thing is, it would seem like an eternity to the "thing" being sucked in before it actually got sucked it. Time would slow to an almost halt for that "thing" before the atoms spaghettified, but we'd see, from a safe vantage point... as described above.
Brain fuck.
Exactly. Lol.
I’m like “ok, I’m kinda following, then Fuck! Brain fuck. It’s like I can’t cross the event horizon of that concept. Lol
And yes very familiar with all the Sci channel programs. They are great
EndTime wrote:.........But the idea that time, to us, would appear to stop even tho that object crossed over.. I’m still trying to fully comprehend why humans could never observe that and how time essentially stops from our view
That always has me guessing. So theoretically, if something crosses the event horizon, someone witnessing it from the outside would see that certain something just stop... frozen forever. Like a sticker slapped on the event horizon.............it would seem like an eternity to the "thing" being sucked in before it actually got sucked it. Time would slow to an almost halt for that "thing" before the atoms spaghettified, but we'd see, from a safe vantage point... as described above.........
I thought I understood the bolded part - that in the frame of reference of the object being sucked in - time would stretch to infinity, essentially stopping time for that object.
But I would think that from our frame of reference - we would seen the object, with would then 'dissolve' (for lack of a better word) into a emission of radiation, which, once the object was 'completely gone - sucked in' that radiation would stop, and we would see nothing from that object for the rest of eternity.
EndTime wrote:.........But the idea that time, to us, would appear to stop even tho that object crossed over.. I’m still trying to fully comprehend why humans could never observe that and how time essentially stops from our view
That always has me guessing. So theoretically, if something crosses the event horizon, someone witnessing it from the outside would see that certain something just stop... frozen forever. Like a sticker slapped on the event horizon.............it would seem like an eternity to the "thing" being sucked in before it actually got sucked it. Time would slow to an almost halt for that "thing" before the atoms spaghettified, but we'd see, from a safe vantage point... as described above.........
I thought I understood the bolded part - that in the frame of reference of the object being sucked in - time would stretch to infinity, essentially stopping time for that object.
But I would think that from our frame of reference - we would seen the object, with would then 'dissolve' (for lack of a better word) into a emission of radiation, which, once the object was 'completely gone - sucked in' that radiation would stop, and we would see nothing from that object for the rest of eternity.
can you elaborate on the 'sticker' concept?
I wish i could find the explanation for that. I saw it and it made sense, but as time went by i forgot a lot of it. The observer, would not see anything being sucked in. They would see what would appear to be a frozen object stuck just above the event horizon. I honestly do not remember the why and how's of it all, but it definitely has something to do with space/time, light, yadda yadda. Shit... it was just on a recent show on Science Channel. One of the shows that just ended it's season like 2 weeks ago. Mike Rowe was narrator
I love science-related shows and information. It's fascinating, but it takes me a while to fully grasp it. Especially when it comes to the effects on time. My brain tends to vapor lock unless someone like Neil Degrasse Tyson dumbs it down.
P.S. The number of memes being generated from that photo is multiplying at warp speed
I Love the smell of nitrocellulose in the morning. It smells like........Victory
EndTime wrote:.........But the idea that time, to us, would appear to stop even tho that object crossed over.. I’m still trying to fully comprehend why humans could never observe that and how time essentially stops from our view
That always has me guessing. So theoretically, if something crosses the event horizon, someone witnessing it from the outside would see that certain something just stop... frozen forever. Like a sticker slapped on the event horizon.............it would seem like an eternity to the "thing" being sucked in before it actually got sucked it. Time would slow to an almost halt for that "thing" before the atoms spaghettified, but we'd see, from a safe vantage point... as described above.........
I thought I understood the bolded part - that in the frame of reference of the object being sucked in - time would stretch to infinity, essentially stopping time for that object.
But I would think that from our frame of reference - we would seen the object, with would then 'dissolve' (for lack of a better word) into a emission of radiation, which, once the object was 'completely gone - sucked in' that radiation would stop, and we would see nothing from that object for the rest of eternity.
can you elaborate on the 'sticker' concept?
I wish i could find the explanation for that. I saw it and it made sense, but as time went by i forgot a lot of it. The observer, would not see anything being sucked in. They would see what would appear to be a frozen object stuck just above the event horizon. I honestly do not remember the why and how's of it all, but it definitely has something to do with space/time, light, yadda yadda. Shit... it was just on a recent show on Science Channel. One of the shows that just ended it's season like 2 weeks ago. Mike Rowe was narrator
It more or less boils down to everything beyond the event horizon is an unknown. The math and formulas all break down at that point. They do predict an infinite dense point, but they can’t go beyond that because all known laws of physics break down. Even Einstein never fully embraced Black holes.
Which I guess is the explanation of why we CANT ever see sumthin fall in because as our math predicts space time stops. So perhaps the explanation is simply we can’t see it because we don’t understand what happens after a hole in space time gets punched by the black hole. I guess I was thinking there is a more grand reason but it appears we can’t see it happen, because all our understanding, all our formulas and calculations STOP at that point
