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GRIMESPACE wrote: because I'd be after less gain - I barely run the preamp gain above 4 (usually closer to 3) on the OD channel as it is.


Easiest way to get more dynamic response and less gain in both channels is to lower R46 to 150k (at JCA50H).
If this is not enough gain for the crunch channel then - just raise C23 up to 470pF. If you want an even cleaner Crunch, lower C23 to 220pF or even 180pF.

Everything else is just trial and error, mess with the coupling caps to get more clarity - f.e. the one between 1. and 2. gainstage - there is no need for 22nF, try 4,7nF or 6,8nF.

Oh and I'm sorry that I can't recommend any good supplier for all the caps, resistors and other parts - because I'm in Europe and don't know the dealers in the US.


The last part is the pain. Not a whole lot of the US suppliers seem to carry a lot of the Roedersteins like I'm trying to use. It's too bad too, because they are very inexpensive.

Also, if 150k @ R46 is too bland, 180k is a good compromise between that and stock.
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I have not tried the 180/120 combo, but I intend to give that a whirl. In all of the amps that I have done mods to, I actually have changed the first stage plate to 180k. It sounded especially good in my JSX and XXX.
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I am actually messing a lot with one of my 22H - but it will take a bit more time until I'm happy with the sound.

This will be very different from how it sounds in stock. Fatter and tighter, more direct and brutal sounding - more "Roarrrr" - and yes it's possible with this little amp! : )

I will write down my mods here when I've finished.
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Anybody use a Weber Gray Wolf with their Jet City? I have a JCA20H. I am thinking about getting a pair to try. Supposedly similar to a Vintage 30, which is so far my favorite speaker with it. I am intrigued by the fact I can get a pair of 15 watt GW's.
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GRIMESPACE wrote:
Jase01 wrote:Grimespace, just wondering, do you use your Bad Monkey and 250 as boosts with your JCA?


No - I have them on a pedalboard with some other effects for my Church rig, being played through my Fender Pro Reverb. They're really great in that configuration. Only thing my JCA needs is a 'clean' pedal to reduce the amount of gain that the thing has ;)

I've tried the pedals out with the amp on different settings, and the only place I found them to be of much use was when I switch on the clean mod, but it's nowhere near as good as my Fender. I'm still determined to put in a boost switch on the amp (MV limiter, or whatever you want to call it - see my discussions earlier in this thread) at some point, but it's just to jump / reduce overall volume - not affect the gain, which as I say is way to dam much as it is. And, that's me with my SG hammering out various things from rock, hard rock, early metal, 80's thrash, and everything I've got in between with the OD gain running between just under 3 to 4 on the dial. I don't know how the world got such a need for higher gain, but they can have everything from 5 to max on my amp if they need it :rofl:

sahlomonic wrote:*Assuming I performed the SLO mod correctly and with the correct parts*, yes - that is exactly what my experience is. I normally had the OD gain at 6 when it was stock, and after the mod, was comfortable with it at 5, but I could turn it down to 3 or even 2 and was still enough to have a healthy palm mute. Also, with the OD gain dimed it did not fizz, flub out, or overly compress like it would on a stock JCA100H. I don't think it made the amp have any more gain, it just has more gain at lower settings and more usable throughout the sweep. I didn't mess with the Normal channel at all so I can't comment on if that changed or not. Again, this is assuming the mod was done correctly.

Honestly, when mine was stock, I found the OD gain at 3 to have identical characteristics to the Normal gain maxed.


Hmmmm... as much as I want to tame gain, this still piques my interest. I have noticed that the amp does tend to turn into a big, unusable, muddy mess when I get up to the upper-end of what I'll dial for gain - I wonder if it'd be worth all that work to do the mod and see how it'd do for me...

Kevin Brush wrote:Hi Grime, I took some pics of the HDM this morning. The transformers and choke look to be the same as the JCA100H. The first pic of the guts is the half power switch and the depth mod pot. The half power switch has a black and red wire that go into the board at J13 and another set at J14. I took a picture of J13, J14 is under a cluster of wired to the left of it. Let me know if you would like any other pics.


Holy moley - this totally made my day!!! Thanks so much, Kevin! Do you mind if I take your pics and put them into a separate 100HDM documentation thread like we've done for some the other models and I'll index it at the beginning of this thread?

I haven't had a chance to look at the pics much (yet), but might come back to ask for a few more. Thanks again!

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kissmyace wrote:I play in a more classic rock type band. One supplier would be good, and always budget conscious !!! lol

thanks !!!


Alrighty. Let me see what I can come up with.


+1 on the classic rock thing! We need mods to help shore up the lower-gain usefulness of this amp!!! And no, I don't want to just relegate myself to using the normal channel for regular playing - that's reserved for cleaner stuff - need moderate gain capabilities throughout the entire sweep of the OD gain dial.

Jay - how's the quest for a 50 head going? We need to get a donation hat going 'round? :lol: I'm starting to put together a small personal fund for some transformers later this year...

jhall wrote:Too bad that my JCA 20 RC112 Sounds like warm wet doodoo. I tried to like for ever and through a ton of speakers and with different tubes. But alas even with the Bitmo mods it is a dog. I'm wondering if it's that I'm a moms basement kind of guy and can't grasp that an amp mixed into a proper recording
may actually NOT be the best bedroom sound. I wish I could like this amp but it eludes me and my feeble dialing in ability.


Welcome! Never heard too much positive about the bitmo mods. Actually, I haven't heard much about them in ages - is that company still out there making this mod? Have you checked out any of Edge11's mods for the 20 platform? (see the index on page one of this thread). Can you give us some indication (examples would be helpful) of what you're really wanting to achieve?


my band is a Christian band with a classic rock influence. I play mostly electric (LP, sometimes Tele). The 22 is good for the places we play. I have a Bad Monkey, Cool Cat Fuzz & Cool Cat Transparent OD on the board with EQ, delay & gate in loop. I'm looking for that clean drive and the od channel not to be so over the top gain
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käsebrot wrote:I am actually messing a lot with one of my 22H - but it will take a bit more time until I'm happy with the sound.

This will be very different from how it sounds in stock. Fatter and tighter, more direct and brutal sounding - more "Roarrrr" - and yes it's possible with this little amp! : )

I will write down my mods here when I've finished.


Excellent. Can't wait to hear. I had done a few mods to one of my clones that sounds like this. The preamp resembled more of a Bogner when I was done, though lol.
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kissmyace wrote:my band is a Christian band with a classic rock influence. I play mostly electric (LP, sometimes Tele). The 22 is good for the places we play. I have a Bad Monkey, Cool Cat Fuzz & Cool Cat Transparent OD on the board with EQ, delay & gate in loop. I'm looking for that clean drive and the od channel not to be so over the top gain


I didn't forget you bud! Been trying to get a list of parts for you to try out. Are you familiar with the mouser website? When I'm done, I'll have a copy n paste BOM for you.
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I've got stuff from them before. Unless I know exactly what I'm looking for, I get lost. Thanks a million !!!
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käsebrot wrote:I have always recommended 180k/120k for R46/R19.

Soldano Hot Rod + is 220k/100k, SLO is 220k/220k.

The 150k/150k is also not a bad one - very modern. And if you really want less gain and more dynamic response 150k at R46 is ok - but that's just a matter of personal taste. : )


Thanks käsebrot, I think I will mess around with this because I am looking for a little less gain as well.
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@Kissmyace

per käsebrot:

- C2 to 4,7nF (instead of the stock 22nF - that will bring you much more clarity and less mud and fizz)
- R26 to 39k (instead of the stock 47k - that makes the amp a little brighter sounding, slope is like in Orange or Diezel, for modern Marshall use 33k)
- R42 to 56k or 68k (instead of the stock 47k - that will push the amp towards modern mesa rectifier direction, will give a little bit more punch)
- C21 to 68nF (instead of the stock 100nF - that will reduce the fizz at presence a little bit)
- Depth Mod (I prefer a 6,8nF over the recommended 4,7nF, because this will boost lower frequencies, the 22H has enough low mids)

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Just copy and paste to the BOM tool and upload. I couldn't find a suitable 68nF on mouser. You can get all of this stuff from TubeDepot, but the Sozo caps are a bit more money than the two I listed. So, you could get the 68nF from TubeDepot and the others from Mouser. It's the one that says .068uF

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Thanks !! I've ordered, but it will be a few weeks before I do it. I have a few shows coming up and I don't want to take a chance and mess anything up !!
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I did one of the first two BitMo mods to an Epi Valve Junior 5W head (tri-stage gain mod and tweed-style tone control) and that head RAGES now. Drives a 4x12 like a champ! Hit the front with a TS-9 or SD-1 and WOW!!
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got my parts !! May work on it next week, sooner, if I get impatient !! LoL
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I'm not sure if this has been asked in this thread (I'm sure it was in the HCAF thread, but I dare not tread those waters), but here goes...

How do I fix the pilot light issue on my 100h head amp? About a year ago, it stopped turning on with the amp. It sometimes flickers on since then, but it never stays on very long. I'm thinking the bulb is not the issue, so I'm guessing it's a socket or wiring issue. I know this is a typical issue on earlier JCA amps (mine was built within the first 6 months after the start of the 100h production), so I figured their was a typical repair procedure. How do I fix this?
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Where'd everyone go ????
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Well, I'm here. I had a bunch of extra stuff I had to sell on the 'bay. I'm still trying to find a good deal on a 50 or 100 so I can get to doing some of the mods I have written down that I had done on my SLO Clones. I'm sure it's no different than on the JCA versions, but I'd like to do them over again and hear them in person rather than base it off of memory. Besides, Grime has been wanting to try other power tubes in his JCA, so I figured I would try and pick up a 50 or 100 and try and find a high-quality, but cost-effective power transformer to use other tubes with.
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I have been using JJ KT66 power tubes in my JCA100H and am very happy with them.
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KT66s are close enough to 6L6s to be a reasonable 'stock' alternative, and will get you pretty close to KT88 tones. Tubes like EL34s, 6550s and KT88s are the non-safe stock alternate tubes because they tend to draw a lot more current from the heaters as well as using different values for screen grid and control grid resistors. THAT is the reason for my wanting to experiment with a different PT.
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Hey guys, I just wanted to mention that the Vox Tonelab LE works great in the loop. It's totally transparent, too. (I'm looking at you Digitech...)
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Well, I have in my possesion a JCA 50H! Woohoo! buuuut......it's my buddies amp that won't turn on. Boo. At any rate, I'm going to have it for a while, fix the problem and do the SLO mod to it for him. I'll try to get some pics of the mod stuff for anyone that cares.
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Jay wrote:Well, I have in my possesion a JCA 50H! Woohoo! buuuut......it's my buddies amp that won't turn on. Boo. At any rate, I'm going to have it for a while, fix the problem and do the SLO mod to it for him. I'll try to get some pics of the mod stuff for anyone that cares.


Oh hell yeah!

Been real busy gearing up to do the studio we discussed. Your feedback was real helpful on that, Jay. Thanks!

It's looking to be a pretty busy summer for me getting the studio done and I've been working on my pedalboard quite a bit, but hoping to reconnect with the JCA stuff in a couple months. Looking forward to hearing and seeing what you do with the 50 - especially transformer / tube changes!!!
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kissmyace wrote:Where'd everyone go ????


I'm still here. Jay's definitely still here. Others too. It's just been on the down-low lurk mode lately :0

You posted about getting your parts back at the end of April for the SLO mod (?) - how you doing with that?

BleedingWhiskey wrote:I'm not sure if this has been asked in this thread (I'm sure it was in the HCAF thread, but I dare not tread those waters), but here goes...

How do I fix the pilot light issue on my 100h head amp? About a year ago, it stopped turning on with the amp. It sometimes flickers on since then, but it never stays on very long. I'm thinking the bulb is not the issue, so I'm guessing it's a socket or wiring issue. I know this is a typical issue on earlier JCA amps (mine was built within the first 6 months after the start of the 100h production), so I figured their was a typical repair procedure. How do I fix this?


I'm assuming you have the older style head - toggles with a separate LED (not a bulb) - not two rocker switches, one that has an integrated light. Did you contact JCA about it? I've seen plenty of postings about this old issue, and JCA has always done a great job getting replacement parts to the owner right away.
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Promit wrote:Hey guys, I just wanted to mention that the Vox Tonelab LE works great in the loop. It's totally transparent, too. (I'm looking at you Digitech...)


Thanks Promit - added to the reference on page 1 of this thread :thu:
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kissmyace wrote:Where'd everyone go ????


I'm still here. Jay's definitely still here. Others too. It's just been on the down-low lurk mode lately :0

You posted about getting your parts back at the end of April for the SLO mod (?) - how you doing with that?

BleedingWhiskey wrote:I'm not sure if this has been asked in this thread (I'm sure it was in the HCAF thread, but I dare not tread those waters), but here goes...

How do I fix the pilot light issue on my 100h head amp? About a year ago, it stopped turning on with the amp. It sometimes flickers on since then, but it never stays on very long. I'm thinking the bulb is not the issue, so I'm guessing it's a socket or wiring issue. I know this is a typical issue on earlier JCA amps (mine was built within the first 6 months after the start of the 100h production), so I figured their was a typical repair procedure. How do I fix this?


I'm assuming you have the older style head - toggles with a separate LED (not a bulb) - not two rocker switches, one that has an integrated light. Did you contact JCA about it? I've seen plenty of postings about this old issue, and JCA has always done a great job getting replacement parts to the owner right away.


haven't done anything yet LoL !!! been pretty busy
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