jumping into the rabbit hole, which amp sim?
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jumping into the rabbit hole, which amp sim?
Just picked up a Scarlett 2i2 2nd gen and I'm trying to decide which amp sim(s) for hard rock/metal sounds. Based on a bunch of YouTube clips, I'm leaning towards Thermionic or Kuassa Creme, any other suggestions?
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Re: jumping into the rabbit hole, which amp sim?
You can always try some of the LePou and Ignite sims too, they're free and they both have free IR loaders too. There's tons of free cab IRs out there too.
It's a good place to start before you invest any coin in plugins
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Re: jumping into the rabbit hole, which amp sim?
I've never tried Thermionic or Kuassa Creme, but I do like LePou's recto and 6505 sims.
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Re: jumping into the rabbit hole, which amp sim?
CptCyanide wrote:You can always try some of the LePou and Ignite sims too, they're free and they both have free IR loaders too. There's tons of free cab IRs out there too.
It's a good place to start before you invest any coin in plugins
Quoted for truth.
Mercuriall is killing it for me lately...I bought their U530 sim and loved it. They offered me a deal on the Spark sim and I grabbed that too. There are free trials for both, give em a shot.
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Re: jumping into the rabbit hole, which amp sim?
downloaded the trial version of Thermionic, played with it for about 4 seconds so far, potentially good but will definately require some tweaking. Anybody have suggestions on dialling out the plasticky modeller direct sound in the high mids/treble?
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Re: jumping into the rabbit hole, which amp sim?
Can't go wrong with the Ignite Amps plugins... I really like their Emissary amp sim coupled with their TPA-1 tube amp simulator into their NadIR impulse loader. That combination turns out some great results.
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Budda Superdrive II 30, 45; Superdrive V40
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Rivera Chubster 40, M100
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Avatar G412 (Jensen Blackbird 40)
Budda 2x12 Open Back (Jensen P12Q)
Budda 2x12 (Jensen C12K2)
Budda 4x12 (Eminence Cannabis Rex)
Hughes & Kettner CC412 (Fane Medusa 150)
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Re: jumping into the rabbit hole, which amp sim?
I downloaded Ignite Emissary, but Ableton doesn't seem to see it for some reason, probably extreme NOOB operator error but I played with Thermionic a bunch more and was able to get some pretty useable sounds out of it, once I RTFM 

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Re: jumping into the rabbit hole, which amp sim?
sloppy fingers wrote:I downloaded Ignite Emissary, but Ableton doesn't seem to see it for some reason, probably extreme NOOB operator error but I played with Thermionic a bunch more and was able to get some pretty useable sounds out of it, once I RTFM
Did you download into the folder where your other plugins are? Did you download the right format?
Cole
Amps
Budda Superdrive II 30, 45; Superdrive V40
Hughes & Kettner Duotone
Laney GH100L
Peters Halo/Hydra
Rivera Chubster 40, M100
Rocktron Vendetta 100
VHT Pittbull 100/CL
Cabs
Avatar G412 (Jensen Blackbird 40)
Budda 2x12 Open Back (Jensen P12Q)
Budda 2x12 (Jensen C12K2)
Budda 4x12 (Eminence Cannabis Rex)
Hughes & Kettner CC412 (Fane Medusa 150)
Hughes & Kettner CC412 (UK Greenback)
Mojotone Lite 1x12 (Celestion Hempback)
Rivera K412T (Eminence CV-75)
Splawn 2x12 (Fane M65)
V Boutique V Deluxe 1x12 (Celestion Ruby)
V Boutique Vumble 1x12 (Eminence Delta Pro 12A)
V Boutique Vumble 2x12 (Heritage G12-65)
VHT FatBottom 2x12 (Eminence CV-75)
VHT FatBottom 4x12 (Jensen Raptor 100)
Budda Superdrive II 30, 45; Superdrive V40
Hughes & Kettner Duotone
Laney GH100L
Peters Halo/Hydra
Rivera Chubster 40, M100
Rocktron Vendetta 100
VHT Pittbull 100/CL
Cabs
Avatar G412 (Jensen Blackbird 40)
Budda 2x12 Open Back (Jensen P12Q)
Budda 2x12 (Jensen C12K2)
Budda 4x12 (Eminence Cannabis Rex)
Hughes & Kettner CC412 (Fane Medusa 150)
Hughes & Kettner CC412 (UK Greenback)
Mojotone Lite 1x12 (Celestion Hempback)
Rivera K412T (Eminence CV-75)
Splawn 2x12 (Fane M65)
V Boutique V Deluxe 1x12 (Celestion Ruby)
V Boutique Vumble 1x12 (Eminence Delta Pro 12A)
V Boutique Vumble 2x12 (Heritage G12-65)
VHT FatBottom 2x12 (Eminence CV-75)
VHT FatBottom 4x12 (Jensen Raptor 100)
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Re: jumping into the rabbit hole, which amp sim?
Should be the right version, and I tried it in a couple of different folders with other plugins, I can see them but not it
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Re: jumping into the rabbit hole, which amp sim?
sloppy fingers wrote:Should be the right version, and I tried it in a couple of different folders with other plugins, I can see them but not it
hmmm.... Sometimes if the bit depth isn't correct, it won't be seen... Are you running 64 bit or 32 bit? Did you make sure to choose the right bit depth? I don't mean to sound condescending in anyway. Take for example, Mixbus 32c 64 bit will only see 64 bit plugins even if there are 32 bit plugins within the folder. What DAW are you using?
Cole
Amps
Budda Superdrive II 30, 45; Superdrive V40
Hughes & Kettner Duotone
Laney GH100L
Peters Halo/Hydra
Rivera Chubster 40, M100
Rocktron Vendetta 100
VHT Pittbull 100/CL
Cabs
Avatar G412 (Jensen Blackbird 40)
Budda 2x12 Open Back (Jensen P12Q)
Budda 2x12 (Jensen C12K2)
Budda 4x12 (Eminence Cannabis Rex)
Hughes & Kettner CC412 (Fane Medusa 150)
Hughes & Kettner CC412 (UK Greenback)
Mojotone Lite 1x12 (Celestion Hempback)
Rivera K412T (Eminence CV-75)
Splawn 2x12 (Fane M65)
V Boutique V Deluxe 1x12 (Celestion Ruby)
V Boutique Vumble 1x12 (Eminence Delta Pro 12A)
V Boutique Vumble 2x12 (Heritage G12-65)
VHT FatBottom 2x12 (Eminence CV-75)
VHT FatBottom 4x12 (Jensen Raptor 100)
Budda Superdrive II 30, 45; Superdrive V40
Hughes & Kettner Duotone
Laney GH100L
Peters Halo/Hydra
Rivera Chubster 40, M100
Rocktron Vendetta 100
VHT Pittbull 100/CL
Cabs
Avatar G412 (Jensen Blackbird 40)
Budda 2x12 Open Back (Jensen P12Q)
Budda 2x12 (Jensen C12K2)
Budda 4x12 (Eminence Cannabis Rex)
Hughes & Kettner CC412 (Fane Medusa 150)
Hughes & Kettner CC412 (UK Greenback)
Mojotone Lite 1x12 (Celestion Hempback)
Rivera K412T (Eminence CV-75)
Splawn 2x12 (Fane M65)
V Boutique V Deluxe 1x12 (Celestion Ruby)
V Boutique Vumble 1x12 (Eminence Delta Pro 12A)
V Boutique Vumble 2x12 (Heritage G12-65)
VHT FatBottom 2x12 (Eminence CV-75)
VHT FatBottom 4x12 (Jensen Raptor 100)
Re: jumping into the rabbit hole, which amp sim?
colejustesen wrote:sloppy fingers wrote:Should be the right version, and I tried it in a couple of different folders with other plugins, I can see them but not it
hmmm.... Sometimes if the bit depth isn't correct, it won't be seen... Are you running 64 bit or 32 bit? Did you make sure to choose the right bit depth? I don't mean to sound condescending in anyway. Take for example, Mixbus 32c 64 bit will only see 64 bit plugins even if there are 32 bit plugins within the folder. What DAW are you using?
Cole
He's using Ableton. I'm guessing 32 bit and he is trying to load 64 bit? I'm using Ableton 32 bit and this has happened to me a few times.
Cameron Amps wrote:He's right....I think VTMs sound great....go get one. No nos tubes needed.
TurboPablo wrote:Scribble strips are for kids.
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Re: jumping into the rabbit hole, which amp sim?
Figured it out, I assumed the 64bit would be second in the list of downloads when it was first, 64 bit version worked fine.
Emissary is pretty good but I am getting a bit of that cocked wah sound in the highs that I wasn't having too much luck dialing out. I was using one of the default cabs in Recabinet 5.
Emissary is pretty good but I am getting a bit of that cocked wah sound in the highs that I wasn't having too much luck dialing out. I was using one of the default cabs in Recabinet 5.
Godin Summit,MIJ Socal,Yamaha PAC 611, LTD MH-1000ET,
EVH 5153 50w
Mesa Recto 212
Headrush Gigboard
EVH 5153 50w
Mesa Recto 212
Headrush Gigboard
Re: jumping into the rabbit hole, which amp sim?
I've found that the impulse you use makes much more of a difference than the ampsim. Check out Rosen Digital and the TSE x50 v2 if you want to get some great tones with minimal effort.