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Maybe it's that my tolerance for bullshit gets less and less or something but the level of discourse I get from most of my Christian friends is about what I get from my Son's kids books.
Unfortunately I think I'm going to have to leave the country to escape this phenomena...
Y0UNGBL00D wrote:"overly religious" and "friend" does not compute.
I actually said "Overtly" lol but yeah...
I was thinking about mostly family... can't really divorce them. I've got this whole wing of the fam who are hilarious thumpers. Howling bigots all too. I want to just say to them... "if you want to be a homophobe just own it... Just say 'I hate fucking gay people' and be done with it"
I guess it bugs me when people use the ole "I personally don't mind ___ people, but the bible says that's a sin" bullshit.
my familly is mormon,so imagine how that is. they are surprisingly quiet about it. its their persecutors who are the loudmouthed fuckwads it turns out.
and yes, that is all bullshit. funny, my mormon family are some of the most accepting people and never judge openly or chastise, and especially dont mention scripture
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Y0UNGBL00D wrote:my familly is mormon,so imagine how that is. they are surprisingly quiet about it. its their persecutors who are the loudmouthed fuckwads it turns out.
and yes, that is all bullshit. funny, my mormon family are some of the most accepting people and never judge openly or chastise, and especially dont mention scripture
I grew up Mormon and left the church in 2005 (had my name officially removed from the rolls in 2010). My family was all varying degrees of cool about it, but some people I formerly went to church with were not.
"If there was only a way that I couldn't even any less than I already can't then I'd gladly not, but I think I've entered some quantum paradox, dark matter levels of can't evening where the total absolute value of not evenness exceeds all ability to explain the can'ting." - MR RUBATO
Y0UNGBL00D wrote:my familly is mormon,so imagine how that is. they are surprisingly quiet about it. its their persecutors who are the loudmouthed fuckwads it turns out.
and yes, that is all bullshit. funny, my mormon family are some of the most accepting people and never judge openly or chastise, and especially dont mention scripture
I know some really cool Mormon folks. We've got a Temple about 1/4mi away so the neighborhood is essentially a Mormon neighborhood. I actually dated a chick from a Mormon fam for about 6 months and they were super cool. She wasn't religious.
I think you only run into problems when people start viewing their religious writings as something other than Allegory.
Y0UNGBL00D wrote:my familly is mormon,so imagine how that is. they are surprisingly quiet about it. its their persecutors who are the loudmouthed fuckwads it turns out.
and yes, that is all bullshit. funny, my mormon family are some of the most accepting people and never judge openly or chastise, and especially dont mention scripture
I grew up Mormon and left the church in 2005 (had my name officially removed from the rolls in 2010). My family was all varying degrees of cool about it, but some people I formerly went to church with were not.
I know one family who's kids I grew up with who disowned their daughter. How you do that I have no idea. It was over her not wanting to be Mormon and they won't acknowledge that they even have a daughter/sister, etc.
Y0UNGBL00D wrote:my familly is mormon,so imagine how that is. they are surprisingly quiet about it. its their persecutors who are the loudmouthed fuckwads it turns out.
and yes, that is all bullshit. funny, my mormon family are some of the most accepting people and never judge openly or chastise, and especially dont mention scripture
I grew up Mormon and left the church in 2005 (had my name officially removed from the rolls in 2010). My family was all varying degrees of cool about it, but some people I formerly went to church with were not.
how/why did you have your name removed, just out of curiosity?
yeah, they do some cooky stuff theologically, but i have never seen the mormons i have dealt with harm anyone besides the occasional snarky comment of who wore what to church during natural disasters/emergencies, they were always the first on scene with aid, food, blankets, etc., before the authorities even. good group overall. i just dont buy any of the theological side of it.
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madryan wrote:I know one family who's kids I grew up with who disowned their daughter. How you do that I have no idea. It was over her not wanting to be Mormon and they won't acknowledge that they even have a daughter/sister, etc.
I don't understand that mentality at all. The idea of withholding love from your children as some sort of punishment is just plain sick to me.
I have kids, and I literally cannot think of anything they could do that would make me shun or disown them. Church? No church? Gay? Republican? Gay Republican? All fine with me. Hell, if one of my kids turned out to be a mass murderer, I would write them in prison, all while wondering WTF I did wrong. I did.
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at 10 or 11yo, i was tired of going to church and wasting my sundays, so i climbed into the doghouse outside and shored my legs against the opening. told my mom i wasn't going. she said "cool, find your own religion. we trust you'll come back, but go do your own searching". really cool thing she did.
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madryan wrote:I know one family who's kids I grew up with who disowned their daughter. How you do that I have no idea. It was over her not wanting to be Mormon and they won't acknowledge that they even have a daughter/sister, etc.
I don't understand that mentality at all. The idea of withholding love from your children as some sort of punishment is just plain sick to me.
I have kids, and I literally cannot think of anything they could do that would make me shun or disown them. Church? No church? Gay? Republican? Gay Republican? All fine with me. Hell, if one of my kids turned out to be a mass murderer, I would write them in prison, all while wondering WTF I did wrong. I did.
Yeah... My little guy is 3 and can occasionally do stuff that ticks me off. All my guitars are banged up if they're not in cases (not a biggie to me) and stupid stuff like that. But as far as life choices? That's his deal. If he grows up and decides he wants to go in a direction I wouldn't have chosen that's fine. I'm going to hopefully instill the idea that he can do whatever he feels passionate about. I want him to be a happy, whole person spiritually. That's how you become "rich" IMO.
I don't get it, how anyone can believe the horsehit that is foisted on them as a child and believe it as an adult.
Having a catholic education, every day we had something theology to brain wash us from 1st grade with all Bible this and that. Then in higher studies, jr high up, read the Bible as literature in world lit, and in world religions. Of course it was still read as "the word of god" in those classes too.
I was all, no it wasn't & shut up. There was no little guy that looked like Ted Nugent. It is all shit, but I did the work to get the grades.
Back to the point, I don't get how people can confuse the New Testament message (don't be an asshole and help the common man) into something that justifies hating gays, killing people and such.
The overtly religions are dumber than a Milli Vanilli cover band.
my Family and Friends know not to get in to religion with me.... in the end I am on the fence in that I consider myself a spiritual person but at the same time I can't jive with most religions because they are far too hypocritical for me to deal with..
Hardtail wrote:Allegory - the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existence.
Most religious would disagree and be offended by your use of the word allegory (which by the tone of your post, is pretty much what you're after) ...
That's the crazy thing, though: my wife is Jewish. I grew up in a very heavily Jewish area. I have never met a Jew, no matter how conservative, who thinks the story of Genesis, the Flood, Elijah calling down fire from the sky, etc., are anything other than allegory. Oral tradition passed down for centuries as stories to promote faith, and only written down much, much later.
It's so absurd for Christians to take this book (the Old Testament) as literal history when the people whom it really belongs to in the first place (i.e. the Jews) freely acknowledge it is not. It would be like me taking the Lord of the Rings and claiming it's a real history of Earth, while Tolkien's own estate laughs at me behind their hands.
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I think you only run into problems when people start viewing their religious writings as something other than Allegory.
Allegory - the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existence.
Most religious would disagree and be offended by your use of the word allegory (which by the tone of your post, is pretty much what you're after) ...
They can be offended all they want. But it doesn't mean that everyone else should distort reality in order to not offend them. If anyone's particular beliefs don't line up with what we know of reality, that is their business. And more importantly, their problem to deal with.
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Every single one of my friends is atheist or at least agnostic. This isn't uncommon in the UK though and generally it is weird if someone is religious, especially if they talk about it.
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Y0UNGBL00D wrote:my familly is mormon,so imagine how that is. they are surprisingly quiet about it. its their persecutors who are the loudmouthed fuckwads it turns out.
and yes, that is all bullshit. funny, my mormon family are some of the most accepting people and never judge openly or chastise, and especially dont mention scripture
Us Atheists are vocal about Mormons because its one step away from Scientology.
I think it depends entirely upon what you mean by "overtly" and what you mean by "religious." I am constantly ing because of things that my fellow "people of faith" do or say (some in my own family, yes) ... but I also find myself constantly ing things done and/or said by folks who've rejected religion, some of whom seem, in their zealotry to stamp out the scource they perceive religion to be, easily earn a few s.
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draelyc wrote:I think it depends entirely upon what you mean by "overtly" and what you mean by "religious." I am constantly ing because of things that my fellow "people of faith" do or say (some in my own family, yes) ... but I also find myself constantly ing things done and/or said by folks who've rejected religion, some of whom seem, in their zealotry to stamp out the scource they perceive religion to be, easily earn a few s.
There is plenty of to go around, that is for sure. For someone to not care about religion enough to intentionally not belong to one, it is worthy to go out of your way to bash religions (rhetorical statement). Vice versa. Two sides of insecurity on the same fooking coin if you ask me.
draelyc wrote:I think it depends entirely upon what you mean by "overtly" and what you mean by "religious." I am constantly ing because of things that my fellow "people of faith" do or say (some in my own family, yes) ... but I also find myself constantly ing things done and/or said by folks who've rejected religion, some of whom seem, in their zealotry to stamp out the scource they perceive religion to be, easily earn a few s.
There is plenty of to go around, that is for sure. For someone to not care about religion enough to intentionally not belong to one, it is worthy to go out of your way to bash religions (rhetorical statement). Vice versa. Two sides of insecurity on the same fooking coin if you ask me.
Where is the insecurity in calling people out for their nonsense and asking for justification? And are you forgetting how many religious people in this country want to mandate their beliefs onto everyone else? Of course there's a backlash from people who don't want to live in a theocracy. Beliefs are a dangerous thing. They inform our actions. None of them should ever be exempt from scrutiny, or ridicule when warranted. Would you considering it "bashing" someone's beliefs for pointing out that there is no evidence they were abducted and sexually assaulted aboard an alien space ship, even though they insist it to be true?
No. Insecurity comes in the form of those who love to play the victim or martyr, and do their best to avoid having to provide justification for their beliefs when asked.
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constantly?
