There is no welfare fraud!

[Yarbicus]

Anyone claiming 0 fraud has no brain. Anyone claiming "too much fraud to be worthwhile" has no heart (and an agenda).

[Dave Lister]

This shit is starting to look like my FB feed. Is there fraud? Yes there is. But I don't believe these rich asshole news anchors that are paid by even richer assholes to tell me that all of my problems can be blamed on poor people.

[soulsurfer]

This has nothing to do with the rich, or news anchors, or assholes (except for the idiots frauding (new word?) the system).

In 2011 there were over 60,000 cases of reported welfare fraud in L.A. alone. Most of those (based on legal evidence) were small-time cases relative to the handful of cases that rape the system for millions each case. None-the-less they add up.

Take the dollars out of it just for the sake of morals. I'm sure that there are 'who knows how many' cases that are technically fraud but won't or shouldn't be prosecuted because they were simply trying to care for their kids or whatever. (they weren't buying smokes or beer, but needed gasoline to get to their minimum wage job on time)

Further, it is expensive to investigate, prosecute and incarcerate those convicted of fraud. So, counties that are already overrun with violent criminals, they don't want to chase the fraudsters.

Allowing for those that are trying but 'bending the rules' to make ends meet. and allowing for those that are relatively small-time druggies that will probably be dead within the year anyway.
It still hurts to see thieves and lazy slackers work the system and laugh while doing it. Being so bold as to use CL to sell SNAP.

don't blame the news media. blame the idiots wasting your money.

[Noah]

I'd rather a few people take advantage of the system than have some kid somewhere not be able to eat because the bureaucratic process got too heavy.

[Krunchmeister]

Please explain where this piece of "journalism" lists anything but anecdotal accounts with little or no verification. Also, what are the percentages of fraud?

I mean anyone can say anything on the Internet. And fox often does.

Cause in "binary solutions land" where all the retards live if one disagrees with you and your "conservative" talking points one absolutely must be a communist.

Riiiiight.

Communism didnt kill anyone-its an idea. A concept that mankind works together and shares the rewards relatively equally among its people is not KILLING anyone. Greedy power-mad tyrants kill people and they are'nt just doing it hiding behind a single social system.

Wrong Pinko.

Name me a communist state where they live up to the "concept that mankind works together and shares the rewards relatively equally among its people"

There are none.

Because they all turn into brutal dictatorships

Are you are ignorant? Read what I wrote again . Ideas dont kill -people do.
FWIW there has never been a true communist state. In fact most modern governments are just perversions of their claimed idealogies. You dont really think the USA is a democracy do you? Chavez was tryin to run a true socialist system and he wasnt a brutal dictator. He shared the profits from oil sales with ALL the citizens. He was practically giving oil away to other countries where the common folks were at the mercy of international banks. Cant have that -slip something in his food. Modern tyrants prefer to hide behind corporate masks and pull the strings of power.

[ComOp]

Those fucking poors stealing literally ones of dollars of my tax money to live those lavish lifestyles eating their liquid gold and drinking those 40s of malt liquor taking money right out of the mouths of hard working Americans!

/same guy pays thousands of dollars a year in interest on money borrowed from the people who sold him his house, car, prop up his business, loaned him money for school

[madryan]

Please explain where this piece of "journalism" lists anything but anecdotal accounts with little or no verification. Also, what are the percentages of fraud?

I mean anyone can say anything on the Internet. And fox often does.

Cause in "binary solutions land" where all the retards live if one disagrees with you and your "conservative" talking points one absolutely must be a communist.

Riiiiight.

Communism didnt kill anyone-its an idea. A concept that mankind works together and shares the rewards relatively equally among its people is not KILLING anyone. Greedy power-mad tyrants kill people and they are'nt just doing it hiding behind a single social system.

You gotta remember... To modern Conservatives, ideas are the most terrifying things on earth. That and Muslims... And Poor people... And... well you get the idea...

[DoubleBarrel]

Are you are ignorant? Read what I wrote again . Ideas dont kill -people do.

People will kill for ideas, and that's the danger

FWIW there has never been a true communist state. In fact most modern governments are just perversions of their claimed idealogies.

Agreed, and there will never be a true communist state, It's a lefty fantasy.

You dont really think the USA is a democracy do you?

It is a democratic republic of sorts.

Chavez was tryin to run a true socialist system and he wasnt a brutal dictator. He shared the profits from oil sales with ALL the citizens. He was practically giving oil away to other countries where the common folks were at the mercy of international banks. Cant have that -slip something in his food. Modern tyrants prefer to hide behind corporate masks and pull the strings of power.

Hugo Chavez ? Is that your shining example of a socialist state ? Might want to read up on his record, and his best bud Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

During Chávez's administration, homicide rates in Venezuela more than tripled, with one NGO finding the rate to have nearly quadrupled. The majority of the deaths occur in crowded slums in Caracas.[344][345] The NGO found that the number of homicides in the country increased from 6,000 in 1999 to 19,000 in 2011[346][347] and 21,692 in 2012.[348][better source needed] In 2010 Caracas had the highest murder rate in the world.[349] For 2012 there were 13,080 murders in Venezuela and 14,670 murders in neighboring Colombia.[350]

Between 2000 and 2007, 6,300 Venezuelan policemen were investigated for violations of human rights.

[Diddlybo]

So, I guess most of the people posting in this thread are fine with food stamp fraud? OK.

[soulsurfer]

Those fucking poors stealing literally ones of dollars of my tax money to live those lavish lifestyles eating their liquid gold and drinking those 40s of malt liquor taking money right out of the mouths of hard working Americans!

/same guy pays thousands of dollars a year in interest on money borrowed from the people who sold him his house, car, prop up his business, loaned him money for school

Stealing is stealing. There is no justification to it. IMO (this isn't a legal judgment, just mine) if someone is hungry, eat. Even if they walk thru' a grocery store eating food off of the shelf. But it is still stealing and the owner of the store has a right (I know you only think libs have rights) to prosecute.
I wouldn't, but that is me.

When I see someone smoking and drinking with 'food money', children going hungry because they're parent(s) are smoking or drinking their kids food...I have a right to feel however I want...and am justified in doing so.

I being an ex-drug addict, was somehow able to save money. Find a wife. Save more money. buy a house large enough to have poor addicts live with us for free, until they get healed and then they have to move on. I work. I save money. I feed ppl in the park and in my house.
I do this without a college education. Without a government loan. Without you're help.

IMO, holding someone accountable to their actions is the start of that person healing and making better decisions for themselves. It is up to them. But it is a potential start.

[madryan]

So, I guess most of the people posting in this thread are fine with food stamp fraud? OK.

Well, considering it's around or less than 1% I'm not really concerned.

When you look at the recent government shutdown that cost us $24 Billion and consider that $24 Billion represents roughly 1/3 of the entire budget for SNAP it really sorta puts things in perspective doesn't it.

Fuck manufactured outrage.

Fuck modern Conservatives.

[Dave]

Yeah I hate that some poor people bought a few dollars worth of booze. It really affects me that they delved in to fraud because scamming food stamps is how they're living so high on the hog.








A lot of people scam across the board. I've stopped caring. I don't have enough free time these days to dedicate to caring that a poor person committed the horrible atrocity of buying anything not absolutely necessary. Good for them. They probably need it.

[indienoise]

Those fucking poors stealing literally ones of dollars of my tax money to live those lavish lifestyles eating their liquid gold and drinking those 40s of malt liquor taking money right out of the mouths of hard working Americans!

/same guy pays thousands of dollars a year in interest on money borrowed from the people who sold him his house, car, prop up his business, loaned him money for school

If you want to turn outrage about government benefit fraud to outrage for white collar, billionaire fraud, that's perfectly ok with me. Fire away.

But no matter how you feel about the financial industry, you're not making a solid logical path by jumping from SNAP fraud to legitimate mortgages, business loans, etc.

[soulsurfer]

madryan, your rage is manufactured.
1% is what is being investigated/prosecuted. (it costs too much money to chase after anything more- you can do your own statistical research to prove or disprove)

In reality (that this comes from the FBI) depending on the specific crime, the actual crimes being commited are anywhere from 10% - 1000% over those reported.

Minimum = 10% does that sound like chump change? Reality dictates these are the types of crimes that simply go unreported to the tune of 10x10 ...x10
in 2011 LA had over 60,000 reports of welfare fraud. One city. One year.

Allowing someone to do themselves such a discredit is the real crime. why would anyone want to encourage someone to treat themselves and their kids to inhumanely?

Fuck thieves.
Fuck socialists.

[Dave]

Those people are going to scam anyway. Further restricting the program will only hurt the legitimate users. The scammers will always find a workaround, no matter how sad it is.

[indienoise]

Is the rate of fraud significantly higher than reported on that website? Is it probably a LOT more costly than what it reports? Yes to both. The whole POINT of that page is to dress SNAP up as something that can't be beat. I mean, if your raise depends on what reports you deliver to your boss on your department's accomplishments for the year, are you gonna shine that bitch up like a brand new car, or are you just gonna be like, "oh yeah, you heard right, we definitely suck"?

That said, even taking that into consideration, there are MUCH more effective cost-cutting topics for us to dive into. Like completely unnecessary, illegal wars, anyone?

[madryan]

madryan, your rage is manufactured.
1% is what is being investigated/prosecuted. (it costs too much money to chase after anything more- you can do your own statistical research to prove or disprove)

In reality (that this comes from the FBI) depending on the specific crime, the actual crimes being commited are anywhere from 10% - 1000% over those reported.

Minimum = 10% does that sound like chump change? Reality dictates these are the types of crimes that simply go unreported to the tune of 10x10 ...x10
in 2011 LA had over 60,000 reports of welfare fraud. One city. One year.

Allowing someone to do themselves such a discredit is the real crime. why would anyone want to encourage someone to treat themselves and their kids to inhumanely?

Fuck thieves.
Fuck socialists.

lol...

You're a really angry guy aren't you.

I don't give a damn. Let them scam the system. I don't care. I'm too busy making a living, going to college, raising my son, etc.

This hearkens back to our voter fraud brawl. I'll reiterate... If there's not hard numbers then it doesn't exist. Period. I don't have time in my life to worry about shit that is pure speculation. I simply don't care.

[madryan]

Is the rate of fraud significantly higher than reported on that website? Is it probably a LOT more costly than what it reports? Yes to both. The whole POINT of that page is to dress SNAP up as something that can't be beat. I mean, if your raise depends on what reports you deliver to your boss on your department's accomplishments for the year, are you gonna shine that bitch up like a brand new car, or are you just gonna be like, "oh yeah, you heard right, we definitely suck"?

That said, even taking that into consideration, there are MUCH more effective cost-cutting topics for us to dive into. Like completely unnecessary, illegal wars, anyone?

How about abolishing the War on Drugs?

I'm sure we could find something to do with all that money, and letting people out of jail who are being housed at $30k a pop when they're in there for non-violent possession related charges is simply the right thing to do.

[indienoise]

Is the rate of fraud significantly higher than reported on that website? Is it probably a LOT more costly than what it reports? Yes to both. The whole POINT of that page is to dress SNAP up as something that can't be beat. I mean, if your raise depends on what reports you deliver to your boss on your department's accomplishments for the year, are you gonna shine that bitch up like a brand new car, or are you just gonna be like, "oh yeah, you heard right, we definitely suck"?

That said, even taking that into consideration, there are MUCH more effective cost-cutting topics for us to dive into. Like completely unnecessary, illegal wars, anyone?

How about abolishing the War on Drugs?

I'm sure we could find something to do with all that money, and letting people out of jail who are being housed at $30k a pop when they're in there for non-violent possession related charges is simply the right thing to do.

Cut costs of housing inmates and running drug-bust operations while simultaneously creating a whole new category of tax revenue?
Sounds like a win to me.

[madryan]

Is the rate of fraud significantly higher than reported on that website? Is it probably a LOT more costly than what it reports? Yes to both. The whole POINT of that page is to dress SNAP up as something that can't be beat. I mean, if your raise depends on what reports you deliver to your boss on your department's accomplishments for the year, are you gonna shine that bitch up like a brand new car, or are you just gonna be like, "oh yeah, you heard right, we definitely suck"?

That said, even taking that into consideration, there are MUCH more effective cost-cutting topics for us to dive into. Like completely unnecessary, illegal wars, anyone?

How about abolishing the War on Drugs?

I'm sure we could find something to do with all that money, and letting people out of jail who are being housed at $30k a pop when they're in there for non-violent possession related charges is simply the right thing to do.

Cut costs of housing inmates and running drug-bust operations while simultaneously creating a whole new category of tax revenue?
Sounds like a win to me.

We could De-militarize the police while we're at it. Wouldn't need all those neat-o swat teams anymore.

[***1776***]

Please explain where this piece of "journalism" lists anything but anecdotal accounts with little or no verification. Also, what are the percentages of fraud?

I mean anyone can say anything on the Internet. And fox often does.

Cause in "binary solutions land" where all the retards live if one disagrees with you and your "conservative" talking points one absolutely must be a communist.

Riiiiight.

Communism didnt kill anyone-its an idea. A concept that mankind works together and shares the rewards relatively equally among its people is not KILLING anyone. Greedy power-mad tyrants kill people and they are'nt just doing it hiding behind a single social system.

O my goodness


Il be nice here but that is just such a fucking naive and silly quote,


Wow it REALLY is

[***1776***]

madryan, your rage is manufactured.
1% is what is being investigated/prosecuted. (it costs too much money to chase after anything more- you can do your own statistical research to prove or disprove)

In reality (that this comes from the FBI) depending on the specific crime, the actual crimes being commited are anywhere from 10% - 1000% over those reported.

Minimum = 10% does that sound like chump change? Reality dictates these are the types of crimes that simply go unreported to the tune of 10x10 ...x10
in 2011 LA had over 60,000 reports of welfare fraud. One city. One year.

Allowing someone to do themselves such a discredit is the real crime. why would anyone want to encourage someone to treat themselves and their kids to inhumanely?

Fuck thieves.
Fuck socialists.

lol...

You're a really angry guy aren't you.

I don't give a damn. Let them scam the system. I don't care. I'm too busy making a living, going to college, raising my son, etc.

This hearkens back to our voter fraud brawl. I'll reiterate... If there's not hard numbers then it doesn't exist. Period. I don't have time in my life to worry about shit that is pure speculation. I simply don't care.

Sorry bro, but thats just silly, we should ALL care hes not "being angry" like your trying to paint him, (and the tea party gets 'painted")... just like we dont like crony capitalism either, to not care as much because the fraud is a bit more for 'my team/side' poltically speaking is wrong!..


Fraud is fraud and terrible no matter what it is, ---- if its a $500 hammer, toilet seat, empty airstrip or pet project, etc its wasting taxpayer money and making bigger goverment LESS EFFICIENT and why bloated/centralized D.C. goverment is not a good thing






PS - I will agree with you that that decriminalizing the war on drugs (especially minor/small usage) is not a bad idea, or using less resources for this, i agree we can focus our taxes, $$ and energy differently

[soulsurfer]

madryan, your rage is manufactured.
1% is what is being investigated/prosecuted. (it costs too much money to chase after anything more- you can do your own statistical research to prove or disprove)

In reality (that this comes from the FBI) depending on the specific crime, the actual crimes being commited are anywhere from 10% - 1000% over those reported.

Minimum = 10% does that sound like chump change? Reality dictates these are the types of crimes that simply go unreported to the tune of 10x10 ...x10
in 2011 LA had over 60,000 reports of welfare fraud. One city. One year.

Allowing someone to do themselves such a discredit is the real crime. why would anyone want to encourage someone to treat themselves and their kids to inhumanely?

Fuck thieves.
Fuck socialists.

lol...

You're a really angry guy aren't you.

I don't give a damn. Let them scam the system. I don't care. I'm too busy making a living, going to college, raising my son, etc.

This hearkens back to our voter fraud brawl. I'll reiterate... If there's not hard numbers then it doesn't exist. Period. I don't have time in my life to worry about shit that is pure speculation. I simply don't care.

I'm really not angry. I'm just mocking your post. I'm more saddened by such behavior when I know they are worth more than what they are stealing. (the difference is; they think they deserve more, I believe they are worth more)

There are hard numbers...you're just ignoring them. FBI lists them.

BTW, there are a lot of things in this life that you will not get 'hard numbers' for, but you'd be a fool to think it isn't happening.

Fairy tale:
A gentleman gets married. has a child. after 10yrs wife starts to have an affair. gentleman doesn't have 'hard numbers' so ignores all the signs of a troubled marriage and subsequent affair. wife runs off. man is alone and angry and sad.


if you aren't going to follow thru' on the consequences of your actions...at least don't pretend that there isn't issues to be dealt with. Or diminishing those issues to the point of calling an elephant a mouse. Nobody with the ability to think believes the lies when such hard evidence is shown.

You, however, live your life. raise your son. as it should be.

[DoubleBarrel]

So, I guess most of the people posting in this thread are fine with food stamp fraud? OK.

Well, considering it's around or less than 1% I'm not really concerned.

When you look at the recent government shutdown that cost us $24 Billion and consider that $24 Billion represents roughly 1/3 of the entire budget for SNAP it really sorta puts things in perspective doesn't it.

Fuck manufactured outrage.

Fuck modern Conservatives.

You act like the Dems had no part in the whole shut down

[Noah]

So, I guess most of the people posting in this thread are fine with food stamp fraud? OK.

I'm fine with some fraud because I know that overall the program does much more good than harm. Do I wish there was less? Of course, but it's unrealistic to expect zero fraud.

I'm not a commie either. In fact I vote Republican a lot of the time. This whole angle of going after food stamps is one of the most idiotic things Conservatives have come up with in a while. It almost seems like if I were a Democrat trying to get votes I'd send some double agents to the Republican side to rail against food stamps. Out of all the idiotic ways our government wastes money, this is not one of them.

Poor people have to eat and I do not want mobs of starving poor people roaming around. I've been to South America and seen it. No thank you. Even if not on compassionate grounds I think most people should support food stamps for self-preservation reasons.