Interesting Blog Post... Input from Conservatives sought...

[madryan]

Couple of things...

I stand by my assertion that you're full of shit. You've made the comment repeatedly that illegals do and have been voting in California. This is false. I've repeatedly pointed out that this is not the case.

Now the usual suspects show up with breaking news... a law just signed which hasn't even been implemented, which will allow people who aren't citizens to apply for drivers licenses.

WHICH STILL DOESN'T GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO VOTE UNDER CALIFORNIA LAW lol...

As I mentioned, I'm sorta "from" California. Spent much of my life there, live about 20 min from the border now and much of my family still lives all over the Bay Area so I keep up on what's going on to some extent.

Giving illegals a drivers license, when you've got about 1.5 million of them in your state just makes good sense. It makes it possible for them to get car insurance so they can drive safely and legally.

But, if you'd bothered to actually read up on the voter registration link I posted, they still verify citizenship when you provide your CDL# on the states website whilst registering to vote.

Yep. Ryan has to learn not to throw stones in a glass house.

For anyone to take you seriously, you must admit your own [party's] problems before going apeshit on the other side.

Clean your own room before telling others to clean theirs. So to speak.

Hey man... I'm a registered independent. I've said repeatedly I don't even like Obama and don't see eye to eye with the Democrats on a whole host of issues. I've repeatedly mentioned that Obama has been increasingly looking like Bush 2.0, especially when one looks it his policy in the middle east.

But...

This clusterfuck in the house right now is all, as in 100% the result of roughly 40 tea party assholes and the speaker who's too much of a pussy to stand up to them. There are a whole bunch of relatively moderate Republicans who'd love to end it and vote on a clean CR.

California gov Jerry Brown just signed a bill allowing illegals to have drivers license just this week..


There was just a "illegal immigrants rally" at DC just 2 days ago (some liberal congress people got arrested, face in paper) Funny how they got a permit or at least allowed to protestr, but the WW2 vets who served this country were being blocked at 1 time from entering park, talk about ass backwards!



California was also considering allowing Illegals to monitor (Dont know the exact term) or be at voting stations about 3 months or so ago, its very probable that some illegals have voted, (Lets not be naive!) shit dead people have voted

Hilarious... You've obviously been watching Fox again... This entire debacle in DC and their coverage has been all manufactured outrage against the WWII vets getting "Blocked" from the memorial, which of course they weren't, but it makes people froth at the mouth. Tell me... Was this illegal immigration rally held in a national park? Whose fault is it the various memorials and parks got closed down? Just curious.

Ever pee in the river?

If you peed in a river would anyone be able to tell downstream if they were measuring the flow and composition?

That's about as much impact "Some" illegals voting have in a place like California or New York where they've got more people than all the flyover states combined.

Here's the deal with catching "illegals" or others who "shouldn't" vote.

Inevitably there are much fewer people voting illegally than people think, but the effects of the measures are such that you disenfranchise real voters. This goes way beyond an "oops" scenario. This means that you're saying "well, we might have a few people voting illegally so we're going to institute tougher measures to catch them" but the effects of those measures are that lots more Americans, who have a constitutional right to participate in our democracy get their votes tossed out or are unable to vote in the first place because of these "safeguards" which IMO not only defeats the purpose but is patently un-american.

So how about we just have some basic no-nonsense requirements to sign up to vote, and we let people vote, and we count the votes, and we let the system work.

[***1776***]

Manufactured outrage goes both ways, lots of FAUX outrage - btw with all the parks closed (some private btw, not all public) during this shutdown --- why allow illegal immigrants access to a public park at this time? Its a LEGIT question


The fact that you stand here and say illegals have never voted is like sticking your head in the sand and yet when Reps say its a good idea to have common sense voter ID laws we get the old racist label thrown yet again..


BTW I thought after the shooting with Gabby Giffords (remember when Sarah Palin and conservatives was blamed ) Obama and the dems talked about "tone and civility", remember that? Where did that go? --Look at the name calling and insults being thrown around in this thread and by the dems and Obama (hes supposed to be presidential and not so divisive) Listen to the names being called in the last week and terms (IE Hostage takers, bombed strapped, wont negotiate with gun to head, etc) - he actually turns UP the heat!!

Hypocracy lives or double standard?

[madryan]

Manufactured outrage goes both ways, lots of FAUX outrage - btw with all the parks closed (some private btw, not all public) during this shutdown --- why allow illegal immigrants access to a public park at this time? Its a LEGIT question


The fact that you stand here and say illegals have never voted is like sticking your head in the sand and yet when Reps say its a good idea to have common sense voter ID laws we get the old racist label thrown yet again..


BTW I thought after the shooting with Gabby Giffords (remember when Sarah Palin and conservatives was blamed ) Obama and the dems talked about "tone and civility", remember that? Where did that go? --Look at the name calling and insults being thrown around in this thread and by the dems and Obama (hes supposed to be presidential and not so divisive) Listen to the names being called in the last week and terms (IE Hostage takers, bombed strapped, wont negotiate with gun to head, etc) - he actually turns UP the heat!!

Hypocracy lives or double standard?

Calling a spade a spade sucks eh? IMO, I say it's about time. The problem with the left is they're too nice most of the time. They don't usually resort to this sort of blatant honesty.

I mean the Gabby Giffords thing was interesting. Some, on the right tried to actually say the ingrate that shot her was a liberal. So lets see, dude flips out and shoots a Jewish, Liberal Democrat politician. Yeah, I bet he was a card carrying member of the ACLU.

As far as people voting who shouldn't...

I never said it's never happened. I said that voter fraud doesn't happen in any sort of statistically significant numbers. Period. If you're worried about it you're wasting your time. Worry about something that's worth worrying about like the idiots on the Supreme court like Scalia who think Corporations are people.

There's a conundrum... Lots of conservatives think Corporations are people. But Conservatives think Corporations are excessively taxed. Well... are they people or are they something else?

Personally, I think they shouldn't be taxed on income like people, but only on the resources they use, but they shouldn't be afforded the same rights a citizen are afforded. But that's just me.


Want to know something about me? I really don't like politicians of any stripe. But, and here's the take home point...

I've actually studied alot of this policy stuff from the science standpoint. Economics, Social Science stuff, etc. The problem the Republicans have is the bulk of their positions don't actually work out in the real world. That's my issue with them. Personally, I don't care if some of them are narrow minded cunts because they're not my representatives. We've only got one Republican left in my state and he's walking a tightrope to stay in office as is. My issue is solely based on their policy.

Second, I hate people who parrot ignorance about their fellow American. The right loves to play the demagoguery card against the poor. Sure, the left plays the race card alot but there's alot of right leaning policy that disproportionately impact people in minority classes so it's arguably justified. But I'm sorry, making part of your platform about the fat lazy poor people who are sucking all the money out of the economy is just the height of douchebaggery and I hear that parroted endlessly from conservatives I know. They're getting their marching orders from somewhere.

Ever lived in a major city? Ever notice the scarcity of grocery stores? Ever wonder if poor folks who live in urban areas are overweight and unhealthy because the only food they can buy within 15 miles of where they live comes from a fast food place or a mini mart? This is just one of the problems us crazy liberals would love to address rather than just calling poor folks fat and lazy. It's easy to eat healthy when you live in a small town that has a Safeway, an Albertsons, a Walmart, and several other grocery stores all in a 10 square block area, not so easy when you live in the middle of an urban food desert.

That's just one example but if you look at virtually every talking point the political right spews and dig just a bit deeper you find that there's a whole lot more too it.

[Lloyd Blankfein]

The reason there's no supermarkets in urban areas is because 60,000 sq feet of commercial real estate carries a huge fucking note someone has to pay. The owners don't get to print money, raise debt ceilings or tax someone.

They actually have to have a solvent business. That's why you aren't seeing huge grocery stores at 5th and broadway.

It's not some secret strike against the black man.

Did I really just have to explain that?

[DoubleBarrel]

Manufactured outrage goes both ways, lots of FAUX outrage - btw with all the parks closed (some private btw, not all public) during this shutdown --- why allow illegal immigrants access to a public park at this time? Its a LEGIT question


The fact that you stand here and say illegals have never voted is like sticking your head in the sand and yet when Reps say its a good idea to have common sense voter ID laws we get the old racist label thrown yet again..


BTW I thought after the shooting with Gabby Giffords (remember when Sarah Palin and conservatives was blamed ) Obama and the dems talked about "tone and civility", remember that? Where did that go? --Look at the name calling and insults being thrown around in this thread and by the dems and Obama (hes supposed to be presidential and not so divisive) Listen to the names being called in the last week and terms (IE Hostage takers, bombed strapped, wont negotiate with gun to head, etc) - he actually turns UP the heat!!

Hypocracy lives or double standard?

Calling a spade a spade sucks eh? IMO, I say it's about time. The problem with the left is they're too nice most of the time. They don't usually resort to this sort of blatant honesty.

I mean the Gabby Giffords thing was interesting. Some, on the right tried to actually say the ingrate that shot her was a liberal. So lets see, dude flips out and shoots a Jewish, Liberal Democrat politician. Yeah, I bet he was a card carrying member of the ACLU.

As far as people voting who shouldn't...

I never said it's never happened. I said that voter fraud doesn't happen in any sort of statistically significant numbers. Period. If you're worried about it you're wasting your time. Worry about something that's worth worrying about like the idiots on the Supreme court like Scalia who think Corporations are people.

There's a conundrum... Lots of conservatives think Corporations are people. But Conservatives think Corporations are excessively taxed. Well... are they people or are they something else?

Personally, I think they shouldn't be taxed on income like people, but only on the resources they use, but they shouldn't be afforded the same rights a citizen are afforded. But that's just me.


Want to know something about me? I really don't like politicians of any stripe. But, and here's the take home point...

I've actually studied alot of this policy stuff from the science standpoint. Economics, Social Science stuff, etc. The problem the Republicans have is the bulk of their positions don't actually work out in the real world. That's my issue with them. Personally, I don't care if some of them are narrow minded cunts because they're not my representatives. We've only got one Republican left in my state and he's walking a tightrope to stay in office as is. My issue is solely based on their policy.

Second, I hate people who parrot ignorance about their fellow American. The right loves to play the demagoguery card against the poor. Sure, the left plays the race card alot but there's alot of right leaning policy that disproportionately impact people in minority classes so it's arguably justified. But I'm sorry, making part of your platform about the fat lazy poor people who are sucking all the money out of the economy is just the height of douchebaggery and I hear that parroted endlessly from conservatives I know. They're getting their marching orders from somewhere.

Ever lived in a major city? Ever notice the scarcity of grocery stores? Ever wonder if poor folks who live in urban areas are overweight and unhealthy because the only food they can buy within 15 miles of where they live comes from a fast food place or a mini mart? This is just one of the problems us crazy liberals would love to address rather than just calling poor folks fat and lazy. It's easy to eat healthy when you live in a small town that has a Safeway, an Albertsons, a Walmart, and several other grocery stores all in a 10 square block area, not so easy when you live in the middle of an urban food desert.

That's just one example but if you look at virtually every talking point the political right spews and dig just a bit deeper you find that there's a whole lot more too it.

Last shot before the weekend.


You sided with the party of Anthony "Carlos Danger" Weiner

BTW, you were wrong about the California DL's..........maybe by only 1 day, but you were wrong.


Have a nice weekend in Lefty land

[soulsurfer]

...As far as people voting who shouldn't...

I never said it's never happened. I said that voter fraud doesn't happen in any sort of statistically significant numbers.

On a local level it does matter. And on a local level it is more likely to happen. BTW, I'm not picking on any race/ethnicity here (the website chose that for me-and I just tossed it out there).
You can keep you head stuck in the sand all you want only to pop up to spit in the wind.

Must be fun being you.

[madryan]

The reason there's no supermarkets in urban areas is because 60,000 sq feet of commercial real estate carries a huge fucking note someone has to pay. The owners don't get to print money, raise debt ceilings or tax someone.

They actually have to have a solvent business. That's why you aren't seeing huge grocery stores at 5th and broadway.

It's not some secret strike against the black man.

Did I really just have to explain that?

I understand fully the reason. Doesn't mean we couldn't come up with a solution. Fresh Express is doing quite well in NYC.

[madryan]

...As far as people voting who shouldn't...

I never said it's never happened. I said that voter fraud doesn't happen in any sort of statistically significant numbers.

On a local level it does matter. And on a local level it is more likely to happen. BTW, I'm not picking on any race/ethnicity here (the website chose that for me-and I just tossed it out there).
You can keep you head stuck in the sand all you want only to pop up to spit in the wind.

Must be fun being you.

Why could it possibly matter? Are people born 200 miles south of you really any different?

I still call bullshit on illegals voting and you have yet to show a shred of evidence to the contrary.

I typically let evidence rule my life. It's great being me.

[Lloyd Blankfein]

The reason there's no supermarkets in urban areas is because 60,000 sq feet of commercial real estate carries a huge fucking note someone has to pay. The owners don't get to print money, raise debt ceilings or tax someone.

They actually have to have a solvent business. That's why you aren't seeing huge grocery stores at 5th and broadway.

It's not some secret strike against the black man.

Did I really just have to explain that?

I understand fully the reason. Doesn't mean we couldn't come up with a solution. Fresh Express is doing quite well in NYC.

Fresh express also only buys "B Grade Cuts" which is why their produce is complete shit. But hey, it's cheap, right?

They also aren't a super market, they're no different than a drug store grocery. I know the NYC market, Im in it.

Now, fresh express square footage is small and they also completely automate their stores. No checkers or baggers (whoops, jobs replaced by machines, why are you for this?) and that's an issue I have a problem with and have not and will continue not to sell there no matter the amount of inquiries.

[madryan]

The reason there's no supermarkets in urban areas is because 60,000 sq feet of commercial real estate carries a huge fucking note someone has to pay. The owners don't get to print money, raise debt ceilings or tax someone.

They actually have to have a solvent business. That's why you aren't seeing huge grocery stores at 5th and broadway.

It's not some secret strike against the black man.

Did I really just have to explain that?

I understand fully the reason. Doesn't mean we couldn't come up with a solution. Fresh Express is doing quite well in NYC.

Fresh express also only buys "B Grade Cuts" which is why their produce is complete shit. But hey, it's cheap, right?

They also aren't a super market, they're no different than a drug store grocery. I know the NYC market, Im in it.

Now, fresh express square footage is small and they also completely automate their stores. No checkers or baggers (whoops, jobs replaced by machines, why are you for this?) and that's an issue I have a problem with and have not and will continue not to sell there no matter the amount of inquiries.

My bad. I was thinking of Fresh Direct. Totally different deal. They offer top quality grocery stuff, per-prepared meals, and a whole host of stuff to the NYC market delivered from their warehouse/food prep place in Brooklyn. At least I think it's in Brooklyn. Totally different company and totally different business model.

My mistake.

[Noah]

I know the, "they work for below minimum wage" shit is a favorite line among those that hate immigrants.

Let me shed some light here as I deal with it on a daily basis. I'm not spewing shit I heard on the radio or heard from a friend who has a friend.

In 2013, these immigrants are NOT showing up in the fields for less than $10/hr. They simply won't.

$9.50/hr? Nope.
$10/hr? Yep.

I did not know that. I imagined they were making about half that. That's good to hear.

I still think it would be preferable to have more legal immigration and less illegal immigration from Mexico. Then all workers and employers would be on a level playing field. I hope that doesn't make me appear to be a hater.

[DoubleBarrel]

I still call bullshit on illegals voting and you have yet to show a shred of evidence to the contrary.

Here's video proof.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0uedSCARlc[/video]

[Lloyd Blankfein]

Right now, as I'm watching my men put a field together, they're earning $13.50/hr.

Which isn't a lot compared to what they'll make as "Piscadores," when harvest arrives.thats when you see the $20-$40/hr range depending on performance.

Some guys pick 12 months a year.

Some guys (like mine) pick 6-7 months then do relaxed slower ground work as a break for 2-3 months and then take December and January off completely to go to Mexico and see their parents. Some even go on vacation.

Last year one of the guys was showing me picture of his family and him in beckenridge Colorado skiing.

Lol, I can't imagine the jimmies he rustled as an immigrant skiing in a place usually reserved for the high class whites.

Fuckin ORALE.

It's good though, these guys earn it. They're getting to see shit I never got to see growing up. That's the American dream. Makes me happy.

[soulsurfer]

clicky-clicky

[madryan]

I still call bullshit on illegals voting and you have yet to show a shred of evidence to the contrary.

Here's video proof.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0uedSCARlc[/video]

lol...

I don't even know where to start...

[soulsurfer]

How would you suggest one prove voter fraud is occurring? (illegal immigrant's voting)

[DoubleBarrel]

Back to your original post. What you think you know about MOST conservatives is as wrong as everything else you post Conservative does NOT equal republican.

Let me walk you thru this.

No gay marriage – Homosexuality makes me uncomfortable (due to misguided religious influence, poor upbringing or both) so gay people should be punished because of my beliefs. Stoopid homos…

No. Most conservatives don't give a crap about this. It should not even be an issue for the Fed or States. It's a religious issue, and the churches should handle it.

No welfare, food stamps or Medicaid – I’m not poor enough to qualify for these programs so my tax dollars shouldn’t pay for it. Stoopid poor people and by poor I really mean black…

It's not that we don't want those programs, we don't want them to turn into a life long "entitlement". Those programs are ripe with fraud waste and abuse.

No health care reform – Why should I help pay for other people who are sick when I’m not? Stoopid sick people…

No environmental protection – Environmental laws makes things more expensive for me and that’s bad. I also don’t understand the concept of long term impact; I want cheap gas and gadgets now! Stoopid…ah, you get the idea…

Wrong again. Basically the EPA has far to much power, and regulations are wordy, overreaching, and expensive. If the libs were really concerned about the "planet" they would make sure every company that imports to the US has to follow the same guidelines as US companies. You know, the "level playing field" we keep hearing about.

Don’t raise my taxes – EVER. The government can find its own money to pay for stuff.

The Fed is bigger, more expensive, and less effective that it has ever been. Obamacare alone is going to add 159 (or more) government agencies. We don't mind paying a fair share of taxes, but don't waste our money, or give it to rich people (GM, Wall Street, Banks, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac) to bail them out on our dimes.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/47220169/159-NEW-Agencies-Bureaucracies-Created-by-Obamacare-List-CHT

Medicare – Young conservatives: Why should I help pay for old people and the disabled? Older conservatives: Keep your government hands off my Medicare!

Yes, keep your hands off medicare. Dems have expanded it way beyond it's original intention. Bring it back to what it was intended, and stop stealing money from there to fund other projects.

Social Security – Young conservatives: Sacrifices need to be made, people should take care of themselves, not depend on handouts from people like me. Older conservatives: Sacrifices need to be made BUT DON’T YOU TOUCH MY SOCIAL SECURITY!

See above, same as medicare

No abortion – The government should tell women what to do with their bodies because Idon’t like abortion.

Don't care. That's a woman choice, BUT, the Fed shouldn't fund it.

No prayer in school? – GOVERNMENT OVERREACH!! I like Republican Jesus™ so everyone should have to listen to my prayers. No Muslim prayers, though. That’s indoctrination.

Ya got this one backwards. It's the libs that banned prayer in public schools. I think prayer in school should be allowed. You should be able to pray to what ever god you choose, in school or out. If you choose not to pray, a moment of inner-reflective silence while other pray silently is fine too



Hope that helps you understand what most conservatives believe

[madryan]

How would you suggest one prove voter fraud is occurring? (illegal immigrant's voting)

I'd start with incidents of voter fraud that are reported to the state Attorney General. They're the governing legal authority on such matters. It's all public record. They investigate reports every election cycle and a few are found to be valid but they almost always occur at the poll worker level, not the voter level.

The fundamental idea behind voting is 1 Citizen = 1 Vote. If you're getting 107% turnout like some of the banana republic countries or Breakaway Republics in the Balkans then something is up. If your voter turnout is something like 30% which would be stellar in our country and the votes you count are all registered voters (which they check) then what the hell is the problem?

That's what I don't get. I'll ask the question again... Why would someone risk a Felony by letting someone else vote in their stead with their ID. (which is why I'm betting that video posted was utter bullshit. Nobody commits a Felony on camera) Or, similarly, why would someone who's living under the radar go out of their way to find someone who's a registered voter to let them vote in their stead.

But the real question is why the hell would it matter? Is someone named Juan who happened to be born in Tijuana but has been living here for 20 years going to vote any different than someone named Pedro who is a US citizen but has bounced back and forth between the US and Mexico and works with Juan?

Do you believe that because people are from some other country that they have some sort of agenda? Like they hold meetings and bitch and come up with schemes and organize at the national level to change the political system in the US?

It's all meaningless.

1 Citizen 1 Vote. It's so simple.

[***1776***]

I still call bullshit on illegals voting and you have yet to show a shred of evidence to the contrary.

Here's video proof.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0uedSCARlc[/video]

lol...

I don't even know where to start...

How about by retracting your statetment about illegals NEVER voting


Glad to see America future determined by a couple of Michelobe lights

[madryan]

Back to your original post. What you think you know about MOST conservatives is as wrong as everything else you post Conservative does NOT equal republican.

Let me walk you thru this.

No gay marriage – Homosexuality makes me uncomfortable (due to misguided religious influence, poor upbringing or both) so gay people should be punished because of my beliefs. Stoopid homos…

No. Most conservatives don't give a crap about this. It should not even be an issue for the Fed or States. It's a religious issue, and the churches should handle it.

No welfare, food stamps or Medicaid – I’m not poor enough to qualify for these programs so my tax dollars shouldn’t pay for it. Stoopid poor people and by poor I really mean black…

It's not that we don't want those programs, we don't want them to turn into a life long "entitlement". Those programs are ripe with fraud waste and abuse.

No health care reform – Why should I help pay for other people who are sick when I’m not? Stoopid sick people…

No environmental protection – Environmental laws makes things more expensive for me and that’s bad. I also don’t understand the concept of long term impact; I want cheap gas and gadgets now! Stoopid…ah, you get the idea…

Wrong again. Basically the EPA has far to much power, and regulations are wordy, overreaching, and expensive. If the libs were really concerned about the "planet" they would make sure every company that imports to the US has to follow the same guidelines as US companies. You know, the "level playing field" we keep hearing about.

Don’t raise my taxes – EVER. The government can find its own money to pay for stuff.

The Fed is bigger, more expensive, and less effective that it has ever been. Obamacare alone is going to add 159 (or more) government agencies. We don't mind paying a fair share of taxes, but don't waste our money, or give it to rich people (GM, Wall Street, Banks, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac) to bail them out on our dimes.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/47220169/159-NEW-Agencies-Bureaucracies-Created-by-Obamacare-List-CHT

Medicare – Young conservatives: Why should I help pay for old people and the disabled? Older conservatives: Keep your government hands off my Medicare!

Yes, keep your hands off medicare. Dems have expanded it way beyond it's original intention. Bring it back to what it was intended, and stop stealing money from there to fund other projects.

Social Security – Young conservatives: Sacrifices need to be made, people should take care of themselves, not depend on handouts from people like me. Older conservatives: Sacrifices need to be made BUT DON’T YOU TOUCH MY SOCIAL SECURITY!

See above, same as medicare

No abortion – The government should tell women what to do with their bodies because Idon’t like abortion.

Don't care. That's a woman choice, BUT, the Fed shouldn't fund it.

No prayer in school? – GOVERNMENT OVERREACH!! I like Republican Jesus™ so everyone should have to listen to my prayers. No Muslim prayers, though. That’s indoctrination.

Ya got this one backwards. It's the libs that banned prayer in public schools. I think prayer in school should be allowed. You should be able to pray to what ever god you choose, in school or out. If you choose not to pray, a moment of inner-reflective silence while other pray silently is fine too



Hope that helps you understand what most conservatives believe

Most conservatives obviously believe Gays shouldn't be allowed to marry because it's illegal in all but a few states. Some states even ban gays from adopting.

You also obviously missed the 90's when Clinton signed Welfare reform into law. No more lifetime entitlement.

But then what about people who are legitimately disabled in some way. My ex wife's brother is developmentally disabled. He's just high functioning enough that he can get around on the bus or ride a bike. He can read and write but he can't do anything but the most menial, repetitive jobs. He'll never support himself, but he's too high functioning to get on SSI. Should we just let him die in the fucking ditch?

BTW, the biggest expansion of medicare since the plan was enacted was GW. It added a couple trillion to the debt. Look it up.

Facts son... You might want to check yours.

Above all, understand that the world isn't nearly as simple as conservatives like to think it is.

[madryan]

I still call bullshit on illegals voting and you have yet to show a shred of evidence to the contrary.

Here's video proof.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0uedSCARlc[/video]

lol...

I don't even know where to start...

How about by retracting your statetment about illegals NEVER voting


Glad to see America future determined by a couple of Michelobe lights

I didn't see the dude vote. I didn't see shit. Had he voted, the the douchebag shooting the video would be guilty of a Federal Felony as far as I know, which I'm pretty sure he's probably not in Leavenworth now so try again.

Couple of assumptions...

1) Because those guys were brown they're illegal.

2) because of (1) we assume that the dude didn't just walk in and vote with his own ID

3) In the science world this isn't even close to valid methodology. It's akin to chasing an animal over a cliff, filming it, then making a broad statement that all animals in that species jump off cliffs.

Good God... didn't any of you learn to think critically?

Oh, and for the record, I stated that illegals voting is statistically nonexistent. In other words some of them might, but not enough to change the outcome or overcome the margin of victory in most elections. So in other words, it doesn't matter.

[soulsurfer]

How would you suggest one prove voter fraud is occurring? (illegal immigrant's voting)

I'd start with incidents of voter fraud that are reported to the state Attorney General. They're the governing legal authority on such matters. It's all public record. They investigate reports every election cycle and a few are found to be valid but they almost always occur at the poll worker level, not the voter level.

The fundamental idea behind voting is 1 Citizen = 1 Vote. If you're getting 107% turnout like some of the banana republic countries or Breakaway Republics in the Balkans then something is up. If your voter turnout is something like 30% which would be stellar in our country and the votes you count are all registered voters (which they check) then what the hell is the problem?

That's what I don't get. I'll ask the question again... Why would someone risk a Felony by letting someone else vote in their stead with their ID. (which is why I'm betting that video posted was utter bullshit. Nobody commits a Felony on camera) Or, similarly, why would someone who's living under the radar go out of their way to find someone who's a registered voter to let them vote in their stead.

But the real question is why the hell would it matter? Is someone named Juan who happened to be born in Tijuana but has been living here for 20 years going to vote any different than someone named Pedro who is a US citizen but has bounced back and forth between the US and Mexico and works with Juan?

Do you believe that because people are from some other country that they have some sort of agenda? Like they hold meetings and bitch and come up with schemes and organize at the national level to change the political system in the US?

It's all meaningless.

1 Citizen 1 Vote. It's so simple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILJDudUpct0

so much for your record keeping

[DoubleBarrel]

Most conservatives obviously believe Gays shouldn't be allowed to marry because it's illegal in all but a few states. Some states even ban gays from adopting.

Wrong again. Just because there is a little thing like a "law" obstructing your little liberal adgenda, doesn't mean it the evil conservatives that put the law there.

You also obviously missed the 90's when Clinton signed Welfare reform into law. No more lifetime entitlement.

Yeah, ever since the hero of the left, Bill Clinton, there hasn't been any welfare fraud or medicare/medicade/food stamp fraud. Now who's talking bullshit ?

But then what about people who are legitimately disabled in some way. My ex wife's brother is developmentally disabled. He's just high functioning enough that he can get around on the bus or ride a bike. He can read and write but he can't do anything but the most menial, repetitive jobs. He'll never support himself, but he's too high functioning to get on SSI. Should we just let him die in the fucking ditch?

No, your family should take care if him

BTW, the biggest expansion of medicare since the plan was enacted was GW. It added a couple trillion to the debt. Look it up.

News Flash - GW was not a conservative

Facts son... You might want to check yours.

Facts son, you have none

Above all, understand that the world isn't nearly as simple as conservatives like to think it is.

See that's the problem with you libs, facts mean nothing to you. Despite a conservative telling you what they believe, you continue to spout the liberal talking points which are , misinformed at best, and pure lies at worst.

[Harvest]

Good to see this thread has spawned some enlightening discussion

[DoubleBarrel]

The fundamental idea behind voting is 1 Citizen = 1 Vote.


But the real question is why the hell would it matter?

Is someone named Juan who happened to be born in Tijuana but has been living here for 20 years going to vote any different than someone named Pedro who is a US citizen but has bounced back and forth between the US and Mexico and works with Juan?

Do you believe that because people are from some other country that they have some sort of agenda? Like they hold meetings and bitch and come up with schemes and organize at the national level to change the political system in the US?

It's all meaningless.

1 Citizen 1 Vote. It's so simple.

Except Juan isn't a citizen. Pedro is


HUGE difference. And if you don't see that, there's no reaching you