Per FastRedPonyCar, Xbox 720 will require ALWAYS ONLINE

[Marc G]

I have both but play Xbox 99% of the time... when I jump over to the PS3 to play a game it takes me a little while to get use to it but then its no big deal.. .same thing happens going back to the Xbox. I don't think one is any better than the other though I find the PS3 controller a little small in my hands

[Telephant]

I was sort of hoping it would suck, so I wouldn't have to spend the money on it. It's being compared favorably to Cormac McCarthy's "The Road", though...so yeah, I'm going to have to spend the money on it.

I've never read the book but the movie adaptation is super depressing!

[Telephant]

Gat damn I'm gonna have to buy a used PS3 for this shit. Fuck you, Murdoch. Fuck you good, Buddy.

[indienoise]

Jesus Christ...copied/pasted from the British Newspaper The Sun's review of "The Last of Us":

"You may argue Joel moves a bit sluggishly, there’s the occasional collision problem and combat can, from time to time, get a bit confusing.

But the issues are so small it’s a bit like saying Rocky is too sentimental, The Lord Of The Rings is too long and Schindler’s List is a little bit too depressing.

There have been many punches, both above and below the belt, made in the seven-year bout between Xbox 360 owners and PS3 aficionados.

Up to now I’ve pretty much, pound for pound, round for round, called the fight a draw.

But here we are in the 12th, both consoles have given it their all and it seems Sony have been saving their haymaker for just before the bell.

The Last Of Us is too good to be judged on points, hence the reason I’m not giving the game a mark out of ten."

[Meelosh]

Oh cmon, nothing is that good! Nothing!

[Telephant]

Citizen Kane of video games is definitely a tall order...

[KCTigerChief]

I told ya! The reviews have been off the charts for this game.

[abouttreefitty]

Sony disallows Online passes on PS4

"We've already come right out and said we're not going to allow online pass. And the word "allow" is key there. Specifically with online, with PS+ requiring a charge to play online, we would not want any publisher [to charge.]

In general, we're all businesses. Sony or Microsoft is never going to be able to tell EA or Activision exactly what they can do. What we like to say at PlayStation is that we set the precedent. The way we are approaching this is that we want this to be extremely consumer-friendly, extremely retailer-friendly, and extremely publisher-friendly. My personal opinion is that it's hard for me to believe that any major publisher is going to put an extra set of used DRM onto game titles because that wouldn't put them in a good spot, right?"

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/1941 ... e_pass.php

And laugh out fucking loud at the people saying Sony lied or that their policy is just as bad as Microsoft regarding DRM.

[Repner]

It baffles me that if your country isn't on the list of supported regions, you're not allowed to play.

https://twitter.com/Crofna/status/344878297060110336

[abouttreefitty]

[video]http://youtu.be/BdwT12y-eJQ[/video]

[Telephant]

C'mon man read the thread.

[abouttreefitty]

The video was posted a page or two back, but that video has been blocked. Microsoft is doing their damnedest to try to erase it from the Internet.

[madDdog67]

The video was posted a page or two back, but that video has been blocked. Microsoft is doing their damnedest to try to erase it from the Internet.

Flipboard has that video, and the article is entitled "Let them eat Xbox" with a picture of a Marie Antoinette look-alike. Classic moment there .

[indienoise]

Been wondering about what my ultimate decision will be. Just read this article, and am not sure how I missed this to begin with - and while I admit I can't say how much I would use the feature, if at all, the whole access-your-game-from-cloud thing at least lends some validity to the 24-hour checks. Is that worth it? Eh. But at least there is a reason.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/games/e3 ... e-wars/#/0

[Meelosh]

Been wondering about what my ultimate decision will be. Just read this article, and am not sure how I missed this to begin with - and while I admit I can't say how much I would use the feature, if at all, the whole access-your-game-from-cloud thing at least lends some validity to the 24-hour checks. Is that worth it? Eh. But at least there is a reason.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/games/e3 ... e-wars/#/0

Ya it's pretty cool, though it can be a pain in the ass having to dl stuff on other systems. Would be nice if you can buy the game at discount if someone else installs it on yours. For example, you go to your friend's pad, dl/install a game you have and play. Then a week later he wants to play it on his own. It's already installed on there...might as well just pay a bit to play it. Would also be cool to lease/rent games that you want to play but don't want to buy for whatever reason. Wouldn't have to bother with middlemen.

[indienoise]

Been wondering about what my ultimate decision will be. Just read this article, and am not sure how I missed this to begin with - and while I admit I can't say how much I would use the feature, if at all, the whole access-your-game-from-cloud thing at least lends some validity to the 24-hour checks. Is that worth it? Eh. But at least there is a reason.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/games/e3 ... e-wars/#/0

Ya it's pretty cool, though it can be a pain in the ass having to dl stuff on other systems. Would be nice if you can buy the game at discount if someone else installs it on yours. For example, you go to your friend's pad, dl/install a game you have and play. Then a week later he wants to play it on his own. It's already installed on there...might as well just pay a bit to play it. Would also be cool to lease/rent games that you want to play but don't want to buy for whatever reason. Wouldn't have to bother with middlemen.

If you have to actually download the game from cloud storage, then it's a pointless feature. If it could actually run it from cloud (a la OnLive), THAT would be a worthy feature. And I agree with what you mentioned there. Essentially they've got it working similar to the PC model now - just purchase a license key for a game you've already got installed, and you're good to go. It's more or less what they're already doing on XBLA purchasing a full game after trying the demo.

[Zozobra]

Sony disallows Online passes on PS4

"We've already come right out and said we're not going to allow online pass. And the word "allow" is key there. Specifically with online, with PS+ requiring a charge to play online, we would not want any publisher [to charge.]

In general, we're all businesses. Sony or Microsoft is never going to be able to tell EA or Activision exactly what they can do. What we like to say at PlayStation is that we set the precedent. The way we are approaching this is that we want this to be extremely consumer-friendly, extremely retailer-friendly, and extremely publisher-friendly. My personal opinion is that it's hard for me to believe that any major publisher is going to put an extra set of used DRM onto game titles because that wouldn't put them in a good spot, right?"

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/1941 ... e_pass.php

And laugh out fucking loud at the people saying Sony lied or that their policy is just as bad as Microsoft regarding DRM.

First they say there will be no DRM
Then they back track and say that is only true of their own games and pubs/devs can add what that want
Then they say no wait, there will be no DRM but caveat it with "we can't tell the pubs/devs what they can do"


Sounds like a combination of bullshit and not knowing what they're talking about to me

[Meelosh]

If you have to actually download the game from cloud storage, then it's a pointless feature. If it could actually run it from cloud (a la OnLive), THAT would be a worthy feature. And I agree with what you mentioned there. Essentially they've got it working similar to the PC model now - just purchase a license key for a game you've already got installed, and you're good to go. It's more or less what they're already doing on XBLA purchasing a full game after trying the demo.

I dunno if I'd call it pointless, I think it's sensible. I wouldn't see the point of running the game remotely a la OnLive, since you don't need the new specs of a new xbox or playstation for that, and I also bet that would jack up the online fees significantly.

[indienoise]

If you have to actually download the game from cloud storage, then it's a pointless feature. If it could actually run it from cloud (a la OnLive), THAT would be a worthy feature. And I agree with what you mentioned there. Essentially they've got it working similar to the PC model now - just purchase a license key for a game you've already got installed, and you're good to go. It's more or less what they're already doing on XBLA purchasing a full game after trying the demo.

I dunno if I'd call it pointless, I think it's sensible. I wouldn't see the point of running the game remotely a la OnLive, since you don't need the new specs of a new xbox or playstation for that, and I also bet that would jack up the online fees significantly.

I don't think anyone would use it if it's a "download and install" feature. Think about it. If you're somewhere like a friend's house, who would bother spending what's likely to amount to hours downloading and installing a game (can be as large as 50GB with BDD, even compressed that's huge) just to play it once or twice? I wouldn't waste my time. In their launch presentation, they did mention they were upgrading their servers to an exponential degree, so I would hope it would be something better than that. Besides, that would represent an extra cost, but honestly the way they add advertisements to a service that I'm already paying for, I'd kind of hope they'd go the extra mile. I'm not going to make any assumptions that they WILL do something that large of scale, but it's gotta be something better to be useful. I wonder if, at the very least, the system would be able to run a game if it's not installed locally? Basically treat cloud as a second disc drive, install a few essential files to the second console and let it pull everything else from cloud? Wonder if access/read speeds would be quick enough for that to work.

[Meelosh]

I don't think anyone would use it if it's a "download and install" feature. Think about it. If you're somewhere like a friend's house, who would bother spending what's likely to amount to hours downloading and installing a game (can be as large as 50GB with BDD, even compressed that's huge) just to play it once or twice? I wouldn't waste my time. In their launch presentation, they did mention they were upgrading their servers to an exponential degree, so I would hope it would be something better than that. Besides, that would represent an extra cost, but honestly the way they add advertisements to a service that I'm already paying for, I'd kind of hope they'd go the extra mile. I'm not going to make any assumptions that they WILL do something that large of scale, but it's gotta be something better to be useful. I wonder if, at the very least, the system would be able to run a game if it's not installed locally? Basically treat cloud as a second disc drive, install a few essential files to the second console and let it pull everything else from cloud? Wonder if access/read speeds would be quick enough for that to work.

I hear ya on the dl times. Maybe if they dled it preemptively. As for the second part, can you imagine playing something like Skyrim, walking into a shop, and instead of loading the room from local files, you'd have to dl it? Kill me now!

[abouttreefitty]

Sony disallows Online passes on PS4

"We've already come right out and said we're not going to allow online pass. And the word "allow" is key there. Specifically with online, with PS+ requiring a charge to play online, we would not want any publisher [to charge.]

In general, we're all businesses. Sony or Microsoft is never going to be able to tell EA or Activision exactly what they can do. What we like to say at PlayStation is that we set the precedent. The way we are approaching this is that we want this to be extremely consumer-friendly, extremely retailer-friendly, and extremely publisher-friendly. My personal opinion is that it's hard for me to believe that any major publisher is going to put an extra set of used DRM onto game titles because that wouldn't put them in a good spot, right?"

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/1941 ... e_pass.php

And laugh out fucking loud at the people saying Sony lied or that their policy is just as bad as Microsoft regarding DRM.

First they say there will be no DRM
Then they back track and say that is only true of their own games and pubs/devs can add what that want
Then they say no wait, there will be no DRM but caveat it with "we can't tell the pubs/devs what they can do"


Sounds like a combination of bullshit and not knowing what they're talking about to me

They said that the system itself has no DRM. That is true. If I want to let my cousin borrow a game, all I have to do is hand it to him. I don't have to be Playstation friends with him for a month, and it doesn't matter if he lets his brother try the game for a day. The system doesn't restrict them, nor does it check every 24 hours to authenticate the game.

What you are leaving out is that the DRM only refers to the online multiplayer aspect of third party games. A publisher cannot make a game not boot up based on their own arbitrary policy. And Electronic Arts recently announced that they are ditching online passes. So that leaves 6 current publishers that have online passes.

[Meelosh]

If I want to let my cousin borrow a game, all I have to do is hand it to him.

What everyone is going for is a system where you don't physically hand over anything.

[Meelosh]

Yes but what if instead of $60 it was $50?

[Meelosh]

Damn you!

[Marc G]

Not me. I wouldn't WANT a game where I didn't have a physical disc copy of the game. Why? I don't want to shell out my $60 and then have to wait a fucking eon for umpteen gigabytes of data to download, then another eon for it to install to the hard drive.

what would be awesome is if they go the steam route. My friend that has a Steam account was telling me he can go to work in the morning, buy a game on steam and once his PC is on @ home it automatically downloads and installs for him so by time he gets home from work he has his new games ready and waiting for him... that's fuckin' awesome in my books... especially since MS said all games will be made available for download on the day of release... so if they set it up THAT way I'd be stoked... what I found out today that SUCKS is Trinidad isn't one of the 21 regions that the Xbox One will be able to work in at launch... I wasn't planning on getting one when it launched but now it sucks to think that I have to WAIT for it to be MADE AVAILABLE in my region before I can actually buy one....