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The differences are basically imperceptible

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Lol. But I’ll post it anyway. You could only listen to one tho. In the room they are a touch different and I like to use both, but in this recording at like 230bpm? Not really noticeable. And I’m speaking about the Blue channel boosted on my 5153 el34 100 watt and the red channel straight in. I boosted the blue using the Protone Cor Mid Boost. Just really slamming the front end. I don’t even have the amp gain above noon. But it’s such an organic “pure “ channel like a good old school Marshall, you can simply keep adding volume and it’ll overdrive the tubes. I much prefer EQs over Overdrives these days. Even on my 6505.

Anyhow, since I do that slayer thing, here ls a quick slayer track. i mic’d Evh Celestion speakers with a sm57 and AKG 414. So a great combo! Run thru Neve(style) preamps. Even using my Wolfgang on this. So alnico 2 magnet for those who think magnets matter and need ceramic for metal.

Red channel straight in https://app.box.com/s/1ipzq6oh0d42j02ik3c704fd4aonlo91

Blue boosted https://app.box.com/s/lcw5ojl1zvsobu2umnarcub9b1jqcsjy
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blue boosted sounds a little better
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RaceU4her wrote:blue boosted sounds a little better

Yeah I give it 52/48 blue as well
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It’s just a little more crisp and clear
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I think the Blue boosted is slightly better and more forward sounding but both channels are great.

This is a great sounding amp, I really should look into getting one eventually. I think it would fit me well even though I don't play metal. The Marshall DNA is there 100%, I could have believed this was a boosted Marshall if you hadn't told me.
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I'm on the opposite end and prefer the red because it's a tad thicker and a touch smoother. Less edge on the pick attack has the actual chord tone popping more.

But, I've never liked using a pedal for rhythm work, so my opinion is biased.
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RaceU4her wrote:It’s just a little more crisp and clear

Yep, that’s basically the difference!

GuitarBilly wrote:I think the Blue boosted is slightly better and more forward sounding but both channels are great.

This is a great sounding amp, I really should look into getting one eventually. I think it would fit me well even though I don't play metal. The Marshall DNA is there 100%, I could have believed this was a boosted Marshall if you hadn't told me.


It’s definitely got that Marshall dna. Especially the Blue. The red, honestly sounds pretty similar across all the models. Even the 50 watt red channels are very much in the ball park. But I love this amp. I’ll go thru periods where I’ll play sumthin else for a bit. Like anything you either have some different “hearing” periods of time or what have you, but everytime I truly come back to it and then do some recordings and compare them to the other amps, this is just too damn good. I think you could live on the blue with no boosts or anything. Seemingly that’s what Eddie did as well. It DoES NoT need a boost. It’s just slightly less saturated than I really like, but just a touch. Thru some speakers, like my PV5150 cab(which I really do like and think sounds great) it sounds more saturated than say thru v30s. The blue, for me, is so close straight in as well. And with some volume behind it, the punch of the blue is something to behold and it is plug in and play for sure. I know Scott Ian just goes straight into the blue for Anthrax these days…

screamingdaisy wrote:I'm on the opposite end and prefer the red because it's a tad thicker and a touch smoother. Less edge on the pick attack has the actual chord tone popping more.

But, I've never liked using a pedal for rhythm work, so my opinion is biased.
I rather go straight in too. But… I don’t mind running this EQ for the blue. The red on this amp definitely has a deepness that the Blue doesn’t quite have. I love how deep it sounds but the amount of bass capable on the red channel of this amp is kinda insane. Seemingly the bass response of the Red channel on the el34 model is the deepest of em all. Not sure how that is or why, but there’s way more left in this amp! For slower music, or even EVH style stuff with bigger chords, like just a regular old EVH/80s style G chord can sound massive thru this amp
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EndTime wrote:It’s definitely got that Marshall dna. Especially the Blue. The red, honestly sounds pretty similar across all the models. Even the 50 watt red channels are very much in the ball park. But I love this amp. I’ll go thru periods where I’ll play sumthin else for a bit. Like anything you either have some different “hearing” periods of time or what have you, but everytime I truly come back to it and then do some recordings and compare them to the other amps, this is just too damn good. I think you could live on the blue with no boosts or anything. Seemingly that’s what Eddie did as well. It DoES NoT need a boost. It’s just slightly less saturated than I really like, but just a touch. Thru some speakers, like my PV5150 cab(which I really do like and think sounds great) it sounds more saturated than say thru v30s. The blue, for me, is so close straight in as well. And with some volume behind it, the punch of the blue is something to behold and it is plug in and play for sure. I know Scott Ian just goes straight into the blue for Anthrax these days…


I saw a guy about a month ago who just sat on the blue channel the whole time and sounded great. Had the EVH guitar and everything. Did VH, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden... sounded great... except when he turned on his flange. After a couple songs I wanted to take his flanger and smack him over he head with it.
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RaceU4her wrote:It’s just a little more crisp and clear


:thu:

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VTM wrote:
RaceU4her wrote:It’s just a little more crisp and clear


:thu:

That's a wicked take on Necrophobic!

Thanks man.! We play it live of course. I do the first solo, 2nd solo is the other guitarists, so I just made up sumthin close for this. For the most part I like it! Lol
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Yeah, tough to tell. The blue suits the song ever so slightly better, but I do prefer red. But...splitting hairs.
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VTM wrote:
RaceU4her wrote:It’s just a little more crisp and clear


:thu:

That's a wicked take on Necrophobic!



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With that title I thought this was going to about Kempers/Axe Fx. :lol:

Just kidding, fuck that shit. :rawk:
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I agree with the 52% Blue, 48% Red... I would probably just mix the two.
Both sounds great.

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Necrophobic! Can't control the paranoiyah! Scared to die!!!

Man this makes me so happy lol... Boosted blue, the clarity and top end help in the mix... great fkn playing btw man!
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