Gibson told to leave USA?
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:14 am
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Chuck Nutz wrote:Alex jones is a raving lunatic. I am not watching hat fat fuck fear monger
***1776*** wrote:Alex Jones is a nut and has said some crazy shit (wont argue that) but..
.. after all the shit we see the goverment has done in recent week or so (targeting citizens via: IRS, drone strike on US citizen, and wiretapping reporters/media, etc) -- would it really be a surprise? Seriously with all the shit we have seen develop recently would it suprise you guys?
ComOp wrote:***1776*** wrote:Alex Jones is a nut and has said some crazy shit (wont argue that) but..
.. after all the shit we see the goverment has done in recent week or so (targeting citizens via: IRS, drone strike on US citizen, and wiretapping reporters/media, etc) -- would it really be a surprise? Seriously with all the shit we have seen develop recently would it suprise you guys?
Obama is coming for your guns, you better baracade yourself in your house.
***1776*** wrote:I dont own a gun and have no desire to own a gun
And you have nothing to add to the topic? ok got it
thenakedarab wrote:***1776*** wrote:Alex Jones is a nut and has said some crazy shit (wont argue that) but..
.. after all the shit we see the goverment has done in recent week or so (targeting citizens via: IRS, drone strike on US citizen, and wiretapping reporters/media, etc) -- would it really be a surprise? Seriously with all the shit we have seen develop recently would it suprise you guys?
I don't think the investigation of conservative groups 501 (c)(4) status that chose names which identified them as being affiliated with known political organizations can be labeled as "targeting citizens." I do agree with you on the subpoena of AP office's phone records though, that should be investigated to be sure it was not just a blanket dragnet operation, and actually had some evidence and valid purpose backing it up. As for the drone strike, well that's a hard one. As much as I am a supporter or the protection of civil rights, if we had no way of apprehending this individual or seeking extradition, then is it really better to leave him out there?
ComOp wrote:***1776*** wrote:I dont own a gun and have no desire to own a gun
And you have nothing to add to the topic? ok got it
Obama is coming for your rosewood fretboard, you better baracade yourself in your house.
thenakedarab wrote:***1776*** wrote:thenakedarab wrote:***1776*** wrote:Alex Jones is a nut and has said some crazy shit (wont argue that) but..
.. after all the shit we see the goverment has done in recent week or so (targeting citizens via: IRS, drone strike on US citizen, and wiretapping reporters/media, etc) -- would it really be a surprise? Seriously with all the shit we have seen develop recently would it suprise you guys?
I don't think the investigation of conservative groups 501 (c)(4) status that chose names which identified them as being affiliated with known political organizations can be labeled as "targeting citizens." I do agree with you on the subpoena of AP office's phone records though, that should be investigated to be sure it was not just a blanket dragnet operation, and actually had some evidence and valid purpose backing it up. As for the drone strike, well that's a hard one. As much as I am a supporter or the protection of civil rights, if we had no way of apprehending this individual or seeking extradition, then is it really better to leave him out there?
Arab i respectfull disagree - these people/citizens and organizations were singled out by the IRS-Treasury for their political beliefs, plain and simple, end of story. 501C tax exempt etc should they exempt? - thats a whole other story but in *this* particular case it was terrible by the govt to do this
I give Obama and others credit for realizing this and aknowledging that this is not acceptable - again go see the video i posted in the other thread (The CNBC video) the discussion they had and talking points brought up
I just think its very difficult to defend the goverments actions in this and it seems like your trying to defend them - its fvcking flat out wrong to do what they did and inexusable imo
They were singled out because it appeared that politics was the purpose of their organizations, which is in flagrant violation of the tax code. If they aren't investigated then how is the IRS supposed to determine if this was actually the case or not?
If it comes out in the end that all of these organizations were in fact political in nature, and that they were violating the tax code, then will you say the IRS was justified, and that the people trying to make this look like a political witch-hunt for their own political ends should resign from office or be voted out in the next election?
***1776*** wrote:thenakedarab wrote:***1776*** wrote:Alex Jones is a nut and has said some crazy shit (wont argue that) but..
.. after all the shit we see the goverment has done in recent week or so (targeting citizens via: IRS, drone strike on US citizen, and wiretapping reporters/media, etc) -- would it really be a surprise? Seriously with all the shit we have seen develop recently would it suprise you guys?
I don't think the investigation of conservative groups 501 (c)(4) status that chose names which identified them as being affiliated with known political organizations can be labeled as "targeting citizens." I do agree with you on the subpoena of AP office's phone records though, that should be investigated to be sure it was not just a blanket dragnet operation, and actually had some evidence and valid purpose backing it up. As for the drone strike, well that's a hard one. As much as I am a supporter or the protection of civil rights, if we had no way of apprehending this individual or seeking extradition, then is it really better to leave him out there?
Arab i respectfull disagree - these people/citizens and organizations were singled out by the IRS-Treasury for their political beliefs, plain and simple, end of story. 501C tax exempt etc should they exempt? - thats a whole other story but in *this* particular case it was terrible by the govt to do this
I give Obama and others credit for realizing this and aknowledging that this is not acceptable - again go see the video i posted in the other thread (The CNBC video) the discussion they had and talking points brought up
I just think its very difficult to defend the goverments actions in this and it seems like your trying to defend them - its fvcking flat out wrong to do what they did and inexusable imo
madryan wrote:***1776*** wrote:thenakedarab wrote:***1776*** wrote:Alex Jones is a nut and has said some crazy shit (wont argue that) but..
.. after all the shit we see the goverment has done in recent week or so (targeting citizens via: IRS, drone strike on US citizen, and wiretapping reporters/media, etc) -- would it really be a surprise? Seriously with all the shit we have seen develop recently would it suprise you guys?
I don't think the investigation of conservative groups 501 (c)(4) status that chose names which identified them as being affiliated with known political organizations can be labeled as "targeting citizens." I do agree with you on the subpoena of AP office's phone records though, that should be investigated to be sure it was not just a blanket dragnet operation, and actually had some evidence and valid purpose backing it up. As for the drone strike, well that's a hard one. As much as I am a supporter or the protection of civil rights, if we had no way of apprehending this individual or seeking extradition, then is it really better to leave him out there?
Arab i respectfull disagree - these people/citizens and organizations were singled out by the IRS-Treasury for their political beliefs, plain and simple, end of story. 501C tax exempt etc should they exempt? - thats a whole other story but in *this* particular case it was terrible by the govt to do this
I give Obama and others credit for realizing this and aknowledging that this is not acceptable - again go see the video i posted in the other thread (The CNBC video) the discussion they had and talking points brought up
I just think its very difficult to defend the goverments actions in this and it seems like your trying to defend them - its fvcking flat out wrong to do what they did and inexusable imo
There's a fundamental difference between most "progressive" groups and most "conservative" groups.
Progressive groups typically exist to fulfill a need in society. They're do-gooders. They're groups like the ACLU, the NAACP, etc. "Conservative" groups, especially anyone affiliated with the teatards are by definition the polar opposite of a Social Welfare group. Most of them believe the rich and those who earn a living should keep all their money and the poor should starve in the ditch. The teatards out here in Josephine County can't even be bothered to pay taxes so they can have law enforcement.
It's essentially the core difference between Progressive and Conservative ideology. Calling yourself a Charity and applying for 501C status and being affiliated with the Tea Party movement is laughable.
***1776*** wrote:madryan wrote:***1776*** wrote:thenakedarab wrote:***1776*** wrote:Alex Jones is a nut and has said some crazy shit (wont argue that) but..
.. after all the shit we see the goverment has done in recent week or so (targeting citizens via: IRS, drone strike on US citizen, and wiretapping reporters/media, etc) -- would it really be a surprise? Seriously with all the shit we have seen develop recently would it suprise you guys?
I don't think the investigation of conservative groups 501 (c)(4) status that chose names which identified them as being affiliated with known political organizations can be labeled as "targeting citizens." I do agree with you on the subpoena of AP office's phone records though, that should be investigated to be sure it was not just a blanket dragnet operation, and actually had some evidence and valid purpose backing it up. As for the drone strike, well that's a hard one. As much as I am a supporter or the protection of civil rights, if we had no way of apprehending this individual or seeking extradition, then is it really better to leave him out there?
Arab i respectfull disagree - these people/citizens and organizations were singled out by the IRS-Treasury for their political beliefs, plain and simple, end of story. 501C tax exempt etc should they exempt? - thats a whole other story but in *this* particular case it was terrible by the govt to do this
I give Obama and others credit for realizing this and aknowledging that this is not acceptable - again go see the video i posted in the other thread (The CNBC video) the discussion they had and talking points brought up
I just think its very difficult to defend the goverments actions in this and it seems like your trying to defend them - its fvcking flat out wrong to do what they did and inexusable imo
There's a fundamental difference between most "progressive" groups and most "conservative" groups.
Progressive groups typically exist to fulfill a need in society. They're do-gooders. They're groups like the ACLU, the NAACP, etc. "Conservative" groups, especially anyone affiliated with the teatards are by definition the polar opposite of a Social Welfare group. Most of them believe the rich and those who earn a living should keep all their money and the poor should starve in the ditch. The teatards out here in Josephine County can't even be bothered to pay taxes so they can have law enforcement.
It's essentially the core difference between Progressive and Conservative ideology. Calling yourself a Charity and applying for 501C status and being affiliated with the Tea Party movement is laughable.
Part of your post is factually incorrect and truly shows the difference between ideology
With liberalism is about 'intent and where your heart is' etc, etc no matter how bad the track record shows how unchecked liberalism hurts sectors of society and traps people and families and those who rely on government to micro-manage their lives 24/7 to live in the utopian nannystate. (To be honest there are some wash DC establishment Reps who do this as well)
Media matters, Moveon.Org, and other big George Soros backed liberal pacs are 110% PARTISON, who you trying to kid?
That said I disagree with conservatives on many issues as well
madryan wrote:If you ask me someone who works two minimum wage jobs in a high cost of living area to scrape by needs the help way more than Mitt Romney and his creepy kids.
thenakedarab wrote:I also agree more facts are needed. And just like I felt with the Scooter Libby case, and Iran Contra, if you're a government employee under investigation for actions taken when you were on the government payroll, then you should in no way be allowed to plead the 5th. The public should be able to get a full and accurate account of ALL actions taken in their name.
Lloyd Blankfein wrote:madryan wrote:If you ask me someone who works two minimum wage jobs in a high cost of living area to scrape by needs the help way more than Mitt Romney and his creepy kids.
No, they need to realize that their skills will never earn them a standard of living in that area.
I'd love to live in Beverly Hills, but my skills won't take me there. So, I have to live in an area where my skills do work.
Everyone wants to live in the 'it' places, just don't expect someone else to subsidize those same people's geographical dreams.
They need to move to Scranton.
If you want the nice house in the gated community, go earn it.
Lloyd Blankfein wrote:Take advantage of the many grants and financial aid available (that even covers cost of living) and goto school.
That's why the programs exist. The individual still needs to take the initiative, which they aren't. Why aren't they? Some peolle just dont care about improving their situation... and at that point, it's a self-made problem- not society's.
I see many of my workers who have zero education and are often undocumented (I can't prove it, but lets get real). Their children are going to college and attaining a dream. It makes me happy to see that. It makes me happier knowing that the system is working in that particular case.
However, I see lots of dipshits that refuse to take care of themselves. They come from generational assisted families and have no care to break the chain. Why are we subsidizing them? Cut the rope, let them sink.