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Somewhat, though my interest tends to not hold on that much in the usual discussions.

phrophus wrote:Somewhat, though my interest tends to not hold on that much in the usual discussions.

Dig. I'm not really interested in the flame-style "debate" approach to the topic any more, believe it or not. That part of me seems to have died with HCAF, lol. Just wanted to see if there would be any interest in any sort of actual conversations in the general category, y'know?

"delete system32, it will make your computer run faster lol!"

--jesus

draelyc wrote:Dig. I'm not really interested in the flame-style "debate" approach to the topic any more, believe it or not. That part of me seems to have died with HCAF, lol. Just wanted to see if there would be any interest in any sort of actual conversations in the general category, y'know?

I feel ya, mang. I'd honestly be much more inclined to debate in person. I hate reading lengthy things on a computer screen. But, if you're just trying to feel out whether there would be any debate if you posted a thread, I may chime in, but I probably wouldn't fully engage, gnome sayin.

all i know is i overheard a woman the other night say that it's all science, all of it, and she immediately became more attractive.

I'm here Brah..........The Yang to your Ying........ (lol........yes, I get to be Yang)

DoubleBarrel wrote:I'm here Brah..........The Yang to your Ying........ (lol........yes, I get to be Yang)

Yeah, brutha, let's not get into who's stickin' what where & just be glad to see each other.

It was bound to happen eventually.

What's up, guys? I hope you're doing well, Chris.

There's my man!

Im not from HC, and not incredibly well versed in either topic, but I would definitely be up for discussing. Not really up for flame wars/bullshit like that, but would be up for discussing stuff like this.

diablogato22 wrote:Im not from HC, and not incredibly well versed in either topic, but I would definitely be up for discussing. Not really up for flame wars/bullshit like that, but would be up for discussing stuff like this.

Yeah, I'm no longer interested in the flame-war approach, either, but would be down for some open conversation.


Cool, this is encouraging, y'all!

I love talking this topic in person with intelligent people.

Online however I try not to waste the time honestly.

Shadesofcraig wrote:I remember being at a party once and this guy was going off on Noah's Ark and the bible. I told him the Christians stole that story from the Babylonians, Gilgamesh.. He then proceeded to criticize me for not believing in the bible. I told him I would believe in the bible when angels ripped open the sky and the day of judgement was upon us. He said that was the stupidest thing he had ever heard, I then informed him that it was in the bible. At which point everyone laughed at him and he left red faced...

Hey.
Nobody rang the bell yet.

Shadesofcraig wrote:

Cflat wrote:

Shadesofcraig wrote:I remember being at a party once and this guy was going off on Noah's Ark and the bible. I told him the Christians stole that story from the Babylonians, Gilgamesh.. He then proceeded to criticize me for not believing in the bible. I told him I would believe in the bible when angels ripped open the sky and the day of judgement was upon us. He said that was the stupidest thing he had ever heard, I then informed him that it was in the bible. At which point everyone laughed at him and he left red faced...

Hey.
Nobody rang the bell yet.

I could of sworn I heard it ringing... Hey don't forget the world is going to end in Dec just like the Mayans said it would.... Oh wait, never mind...

Maybe it did ... and we're what's left.

Just sayin'...

Shadesofcraig wrote:

draelyc wrote:Maybe it did ... and we're what's left.

Just sayin'...

We are all living in the Matrix now...

Now this is getting interesting. Let's take that further. How can god be considered omniscient if he can't know about things that he doesn't/can't know about? Isn't it just as reasonable to think it possible that yahweh is in a matrix himself, put there by a greater god with a greater reality that yahweh has no knowledge of? Yahweh would then be passing on his skewed perspective of "reality" to us, making him not omnipotent, omniscient, or even that great of a god at all. Hmmm. Maybe it's time for a new thread.

nightflameauto wrote:

Cflat wrote:Now this is getting interesting. Let's take that further. How can god be considered omniscient if he can't know about things that he doesn't/can't know about? Isn't it just as reasonable to think it possible that yahweh is in a matrix himself, put there by a greater god with a greater reality that yahweh has no knowledge of? Yahweh would then be passing on his skewed perspective of "reality" to us, making him not omnipotent, omniscient, or even that great of a god at all. Hmmm. Maybe it's time for a new thread.

My dog still thinks I control the rain. That seems relevant to this line of discussion.

My dog thinks that he controls the power windows in my car by farting.

Cflat wrote:

Shadesofcraig wrote:

draelyc wrote:Maybe it did ... and we're what's left.

Just sayin'...

We are all living in the Matrix now...

Now this is getting interesting. Let's take that further. How can god be considered omniscient if he can't know about things that he doesn't/can't know about? Isn't it just as reasonable to think it possible that yahweh is in a matrix himself, put there by a greater god with a greater reality that yahweh has no knowledge of? Yahweh would then be passing on his skewed perspective of "reality" to us, making him not omnipotent, omniscient, or even that great of a god at all. Hmmm. Maybe it's time for a new thread.

Not to get srs or nuthin', but that's pretty much what many of the Gnostic sects concluded ~ that the creator of this world, the Demiurge in their terminology, was essentially a very powerful but not omnicient being who was unaware of his lack of omniscience, mistaking himself for the ultimate ("true"?) godhead and demanding to be worshipped in order to salve his innate insecurities. That's how this particular flavor of Gnosticism accounted for what they saw as irreconcilable differences between the God depicted in the OT (which they decided was the Demiurge) and the God attested by Christ Jesus in the NT.

(Note: I am not here arguing for or against that particular perspective; just spelling it out because it struck me as interesting how neatly it parallels what you wrote. )

/srs

Oh yeah, and DOGS!!!

draelyc wrote:

Cflat wrote:

Shadesofcraig wrote:

draelyc wrote:Maybe it did ... and we're what's left.

Just sayin'...

We are all living in the Matrix now...

Now this is getting interesting. Let's take that further. How can god be considered omniscient if he can't know about things that he doesn't/can't know about? Isn't it just as reasonable to think it possible that yahweh is in a matrix himself, put there by a greater god with a greater reality that yahweh has no knowledge of? Yahweh would then be passing on his skewed perspective of "reality" to us, making him not omnipotent, omniscient, or even that great of a god at all. Hmmm. Maybe it's time for a new thread.

Not to get srs or nuthin', but that's pretty much what many of the Gnostic sects concluded ~ that the creator of this world, the Demiurge in their terminology, was essentially a very powerful but not omnicient being who was unaware of his lack of omniscience, mistaking himself for the ultimate ("true"?) godhead and demanding to be worshipped in order to salve his innate insecurities. That's how this particular flavor of Gnosticism accounted for what they saw as irreconcilable differences between the God depicted in the OT (which they decided was the Demiurge) and the God attested by Christ Jesus in the NT.

(Note: I am not here arguing for or against that particular perspective; just spelling it out because it struck me as interesting how neatly it parallels what you wrote. )

/srs

I'm not arguing either. I think it will be pretty obvious when either of us are ready to argue.
These are fun thought experiments, and I'm always down for discussing them. Especially if they are consciousness raising in the sense that I hadn't though of a particular perspective before.

Cflat wrote:I'm not arguing either. I think it will be pretty obvious when either of us are ready to argue.

LMAO ~ excellent point!

These are fun thought experiments, and I'm always down for discussing them. Especially if they are consciousness raising in the sense that I hadn't though of a particular perspective before.

Right on.

Ummm, I majored in philosophy in college....does that count?

I'm not going to debate that madness online though. If anyone is in Kansas City and wants to drink beer and talk about Foucault, then I'm down.

Btw, missingagstring...I bought a bare knuckles tell pickup from you in Houston about 3 years ago. I was the guy whose car was spewing radiator fluid everywhere. How have you been?

nightflameauto wrote:
I'm gonna pop-culture this semi-srs discussion and say this was likely a big part of the basis of the character Castiel on Supernatural when he believed himself to become god. "I am a better god than my father." He just didn't know better.

I'm down.