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Re: totally random acts
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:22 am
by K-Bizzle
Dave wrote:In this situation you'd have ended up shot by the guy's buddy/some rando that didn't see the whole exchange or charged with murder for detaining a gassed blob and accidentally killing him due to his poor health.
That's what happens when you get emotional and try to be the vigilante.
Certainly a possibility but there's no guarantees either way.
I also think there are many steps in between just letting the dude drive off free after assaulting an innocent woman and fighting him/accidently killing him.
That woman and society more generally is lucky it ultimately worked out the way it did and he was apprehended, it doesn't always work out that way.
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:37 am
by Dave
mortatone wrote:Idk.. I don’t have all this junk in my head that tells me I’m gonna be shit all over for trying to help someone in immediate danger. I’ll just go about my business and let my instincts do the shot calling.
That junk is called logic and reasoning.
Logic and reasoning is what keeps one out of jail/civil suit/morgue for interjecting themselves in to an unknown situation without the proper training. Knowing how to beat someone up/shooting someone/yelling at random people you perceive to be wrong are not substitutes for proper training.
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:44 am
by Dave
K-Bizzle wrote:Dave wrote:In this situation you'd have ended up shot by the guy's buddy/some rando that didn't see the whole exchange or charged with murder for detaining a gassed blob and accidentally killing him due to his poor health.
That's what happens when you get emotional and try to be the vigilante.
Certainly a possibility but there's no guarantees either way.
I also think there are many steps in between just letting the dude drive off free after assaulting an innocent woman and fighting him/accidently killing him.
That woman and society more generally is lucky it ultimately worked out the way it did and he was apprehended, it doesn't always work out that way.
Geoff had the correct response. Help identify the suspect later and provide as much detail as you can. It's not a matter of just throwing your hands up and "letting the dude drive off free".
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:59 pm
by facefirst
Dave wrote:K-Bizzle wrote:Dave wrote:In this situation you'd have ended up shot by the guy's buddy/some rando that didn't see the whole exchange or charged with murder for detaining a gassed blob and accidentally killing him due to his poor health.
That's what happens when you get emotional and try to be the vigilante.
Certainly a possibility but there's no guarantees either way.
I also think there are many steps in between just letting the dude drive off free after assaulting an innocent woman and fighting him/accidently killing him.
That woman and society more generally is lucky it ultimately worked out the way it did and he was apprehended, it doesn't always work out that way.
Geoff had the correct response. Help identify the suspect later and provide as much detail as you can. It's not a matter of just throwing your hands up and "letting the dude drive off free".
There’s just way too many variables that make the situation deadly. Unless my life or a loved one’s life is in immediate danger, I’m not getting any more involved than needed. I’m not trying to be Superman.
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:14 pm
by mortatone
Dave wrote:mortatone wrote:Idk.. I don’t have all this junk in my head that tells me I’m gonna be shit all over for trying to help someone in immediate danger. I’ll just go about my business and let my instincts do the shot calling.
That junk is called logic and reasoning.
Logic and reasoning is what keeps one out of jail/civil suit/morgue for interjecting themselves in to an unknown situation without the proper training. Knowing how to beat someone up/shooting someone/yelling at random people you perceive to be wrong are not substitutes for proper training.
As many here have already mentioned, you really don't know how you'll react to any given situation until you're in it. You can logic and reason all you want but once something starts to happen your instincts, whatever they may be, will take over. Simple as that
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:05 pm
by facefirst
mortatone wrote:Dave wrote:mortatone wrote:Idk.. I don’t have all this junk in my head that tells me I’m gonna be shit all over for trying to help someone in immediate danger. I’ll just go about my business and let my instincts do the shot calling.
That junk is called logic and reasoning.
Logic and reasoning is what keeps one out of jail/civil suit/morgue for interjecting themselves in to an unknown situation without the proper training. Knowing how to beat someone up/shooting someone/yelling at random people you perceive to be wrong are not substitutes for proper training.
As many here have already mentioned, you really don't know how you'll react to any given situation until you're in it. You can logic and reason all you want but once something starts to happen your instincts, whatever they may be, will take over. Simple as that
And that gets people killed. I watched a video of a guy trying to stop an altercation. Was fatally stabbed and didn’t even realize it. His adrenalin kept him going even though he was pouring out blood. Once the situation died down so did he.
I can definitely say what I’d do in a situation like the OP video. I’d do as little as possible. Not because I can’t handle myself - I definitely can. I still wouldn’t get into a situation I can avoid to some degree. Trying to subdue a 400+ lb. mentally unstable person is something I can avoid.
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:46 pm
by ajaxlepinski
I guess, watching the video made me angry.
The three men actually did the right thing... their presence stopped the big guy from injuring the woman further.
They had a video of the assault, had the plate number from the vehicle and they can help the police identify the perp.
Let the police locate and arrest the guy.
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:56 pm
by facefirst
ajaxlepinski wrote:I guess, watching the video made me angry.
The three men actually did the right thing... their presence stopped the big guy from injuring the woman further.
They had a video of the assault, had the plate number from the vehicle and they can help the police identify the perp.
Let the police locate and arrest the guy.
That’s pretty much it. It sucks all around but they did the right thing.
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:03 pm
by Telephant
Dave wrote:mortatone wrote:Idk.. I don’t have all this junk in my head that tells me I’m gonna be shit all over for trying to help someone in immediate danger. I’ll just go about my business and let my instincts do the shot calling.
That junk is called logic and reasoning.
Logic and reasoning is what keeps one out of jail/civil suit/morgue for interjecting themselves in to an unknown situation without the proper training. Knowing how to beat someone up/shooting someone/yelling at random people you perceive to be wrong are not substitutes for proper training.
You mean spray and prayin' the Ak pistol is a bad idea?!?
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:16 am
by Dave
That’s what I do if they try to attack me or my family
Not that I have an AK pistol. I try to stay proper
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:19 am
by Dave
mortatone wrote:Dave wrote:mortatone wrote:Idk.. I don’t have all this junk in my head that tells me I’m gonna be shit all over for trying to help someone in immediate danger. I’ll just go about my business and let my instincts do the shot calling.
That junk is called logic and reasoning.
Logic and reasoning is what keeps one out of jail/civil suit/morgue for interjecting themselves in to an unknown situation without the proper training. Knowing how to beat someone up/shooting someone/yelling at random people you perceive to be wrong are not substitutes for proper training.
As many here have already mentioned, you really don't know how you'll react to any given situation until you're in it. You can logic and reason all you want but once something starts to happen your instincts, whatever they may be, will take over. Simple as that
You accept your emotions will magically lead the way.
I trust my logic will keep me alive and out of trouble.
Good luck
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:30 am
by mortatone
this guy
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:24 am
by primeholy
I would’ve whooped everybody’s ass in that video. Including whoever filmed it.
Didn’t watch
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:50 am
by fretless
on the violent acts scale this is pretty low , at least he didn't go into a Dennys and kill everyone at point blank range , 'cause those nuts are out there too .
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:18 am
by Devin
primeholy wrote:I would’ve whooped everybody’s ass in that video. Including whoever filmed it.
Didn’t watch
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:33 am
by Telephant
Devin wrote:primeholy wrote:I would’ve whooped everybody’s ass in that video. Including whoever filmed it.
Didn’t watch
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:06 pm
by Dave
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:21 pm
by Dave
mortatone wrote:this guy
this guy
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjU5sP1nkxg[/youtube]
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:31 pm
by mortatone
So if the gas station guy came at her with a boat it’s ok.
Logic
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:53 am
by Pepi
ajaxlepinski wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9pX-Z_i-B4[/youtube]
In my days of pumping gas at WakeUP I don't remember the pumps putting out that much PSI
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:33 am
by GuitarBilly
It's not just a matter of logic or reason. Different people evaluate risks/results differently. If you took sociology classes, remember those "gray ethics" questions like "would you risk the life of someone you know to save 10 strangers"? And how they tell you there is no right or wrong answer. It's just an exercise for you to point out what your risk evaluation is.
This even applies for long term decisions like careers etc. For example, I'd never think that running into burning buildings for 60k/year is a good idea. But I'm glad some people do because we need a fire dept.
There are lot of stories of good Samaritans saving the day. There are probably a similar amount of stories of them dying/hurting along with who they were trying to save. But the way each person register this is different and one is not better or more logical than the other.
If you ask someone why did they do whatever heroic act they did, the most common answer is "it was the only thing to do" and they're being honest. But if they said " there was nothing I could do at the point " to justify NOT doing something heroic, they would also be correct. It depends on the individual's risk vs results assessment and everyone is different.
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:15 pm
by long standing member
Saddest thing here is that the perp in the video might get charged with simple assault and battery, then have a state provided lawyer plea bargain down to him having to do 2 hours of anger management class, and check in with a parole officer once a month for half a year....MAYBE!
Re: totally random acts
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:12 pm
by facefirst
long standing member wrote:Saddest thing here is that the perp in the video might get charged with simple assault and battery, then have a state provided lawyer plea bargain down to him having to do 2 hours of anger management class, and check in with a parole officer once a month for half a year....MAYBE!
I HATE the plea bargain option. It basically gets guilty convictions by enticing people to give up their right to a trial. It punishes people who want their right to a trial. The courts win, that’s it. The US justice system is a mosh pit of retards.