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TurboPablo wrote:According to a pharma CEO on 60 Minutes a few weeks ago, in less than five years we will have one vaccine for every type of Covid there is. I figure that is a good thing.

Vaccine, or annual shot?
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And every type there will ever be??

That would be a good thing - and with a usual 5 year development cycle, I can believe it enough to have hope.
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Murdoch wrote:
fretless wrote:Pfizer now recommends a 3rd dose
https://twitter.com/JanNWolfe/status/13 ... page%3D153


I get a flu shot every year. I don't see how or why this would be different. Sign me up.

Fold it into a two-fer for great justice!

My wife freaked the fuck out when she heard it may end up being a yearly vaccine. Dunno why. Once a year shot to avoid going through this fucking bullshit again? :idk: Seems a reasonable deal to me. Especially if they keep it free or reasonably priced for us plebes.

Now, if they decide after this year it needs to be a multi-hundred dollar per shot deal? They can go fuck themselves away, man. Seriously.
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IndyWS6 wrote:
TurboPablo wrote:According to a pharma CEO on 60 Minutes a few weeks ago, in less than five years we will have one vaccine for every type of Covid there is. I figure that is a good thing.

Vaccine, or annual shot?


I don't remember if he specified that. He did say that the technology already exists to do it. So, if true, it sounds like it is just a matter of time.
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GuitarBilly wrote:This just in: men are upset there are now 3 shots of a vaccine they won't even take one. :loon:


:lol:

Your poking fun at the strawman next to me! :mad:
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TurboPablo wrote:According to a pharma CEO on 60 Minutes a few weeks ago, in less than five years we will have one vaccine for every type of Covid there is. I figure that is a good thing.


Very good thing if it's true. You see guys, I'll be in the club in 5 years. There's hope for me yet.

Market incentives can make corporations hostile to such solutions though so I'm highly skeptical.
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Ostinato Rubato wrote:
TurboPablo wrote:According to a pharma CEO on 60 Minutes a few weeks ago, in less than five years we will have one vaccine for every type of Covid there is. I figure that is a good thing.


Very good thing if it's true. You see guys, I'll be in the club in 5 years. There's hope for me yet.

Market incentives can make corporations hostile to such solutions though so I'm highly skeptical.


How does this not cut both ways though?
Lets say I'm the CEO of Moderna and I see Pfizer looking to essentially sell a shot subscription service.
Why would I not develop the one and done long term solution and completely eat their entire market share?
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Got my second shot of Moderna 3 hours ago. After the first shot, I was VERY fatigued. I think I slept 12 hours a night for the next 3 nights. I'm fine so far today. My wife got her second shot yesterday. She's been yawning all day :P
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jgreenwd wrote:Got my second shot of Moderna 3 hours ago. After the first shot, I was VERY fatigued. I think I slept 12 hours a night for the next 3 nights. I'm fine so far today. My wife got her second shot yesterday. She's been yawning all day :P


Did you have COVID before?
I got my Moderna this week and aside from some muscle soreness at the injection site I was 100% fine. I had COVID last year and I've heard about others who've had it already not really getting any sides from the vaccine.
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K-Bizzle wrote:
Ostinato Rubato wrote:
TurboPablo wrote:According to a pharma CEO on 60 Minutes a few weeks ago, in less than five years we will have one vaccine for every type of Covid there is. I figure that is a good thing.


Very good thing if it's true. You see guys, I'll be in the club in 5 years. There's hope for me yet.

Market incentives can make corporations hostile to such solutions though so I'm highly skeptical.


How does this not cut both ways though?
Lets say I'm the CEO of Moderna and I see Pfizer looking to essentially sell a shot subscription service.
Why would I not develop the one and done long term solution and completely eat their entire market share?


I would be very pleasantly surprised and am willing to ditch my chicken littling if faced with that future alternate reality.

But I look at how industries, telecom and airlines for example, coordinate to set up a market dynamic that allows all entities to extract the absolute most rather than have true competition delivering you an improved product over the next guy. I'd be betting that they all run the same playbook as all will profit the most that way, even more than if one dominated. If you dominated with a permanent solution you'd be shooting yourself in the foot over the long term than if you shared year over year over year revenues with a competitor.
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K-Bizzle wrote:Did you have COVID before?
I got my Moderna this week and aside from some muscle soreness at the injection site I was 100% fine. I had COVID last year and I've heard about others who've had it already not really getting any sides from the vaccine.


Nope; at least, not that I know of. It's possible the fatigue was completely unrelated. :idk: 12 hours later, and I still feel fine from the second shot (aside from the sore arm, yada yada).
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fretless wrote:Mike & Greta on the same page again
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandso ... e-inequali


I suppose, once everyone who wants a vaccine (in the countries that are manufacturing vaccines) gets their jab(s), the pharma companies will ship to the rest of the world?
If manufacturing was able to keep up with worldwide demand, I'm sure they would ship everywhere. There is no profit in holding back vaccines.

Unfortunately, there are priorities... strategic allies first, followed by countries producing lithium, oil and other high demand natural resources. At the bottom are countries that don't export.
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ajaxlepinski wrote:........There is no profit in holding back vaccines........


Longterm maybe not - but in the short term - I am sure the prices they are being paid here in the US are astronomically higher than what they will be charging in third world countries.
And quite possibly - there were strings attached to the billions of dollars that our government threw at the development of these vaccines.

I approve of the second - the first, not at all.
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Sadly, greed and power play a role in everything, including humanitarian crises. I'd love to think the fact that people are dying would steer people towards unbiased solutions, but I'm not naïve. I'm certain power and greed has a firm foothold on vaccine manufacturing and distribution strategies.
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Day after Pfizer 2: It kicked my ass. I woke up at 10:30 last night, and I could feel it coursing through me, and the soreness woke me up every hour, on the half, for fifteen minutes at a time, until it was 4a, and I just resigned myself to being awake. Thank goodness I am working in Madison today, and I live five minutes away from the job site.
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ajaxlepinski wrote:
fretless wrote:Mike & Greta on the same page again
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandso ... e-inequali


I suppose, once everyone who wants a vaccine (in the countries that are manufacturing vaccines) gets their jab(s), the pharma companies will ship to the rest of the world?
If manufacturing was able to keep up with worldwide demand, I'm sure they would ship everywhere. There is no profit in holding back vaccines.

Unfortunately, there are priorities... strategic allies first, followed by countries producing lithium, oil and other high demand natural resources. At the bottom are countries that don't export.


This shouldn't be about "profits" though because we're losing more than what pharma would profit globally by the impacts of the virus. It should be about mitigating total impact to human lives and livelihood and be subsidized by governments in a top down deal. What Biden and the EU have the power to do but refuse to is to temporarily waive patent protections so that other countries can start manufacturing them and distributing. There's ways to have done this correctly if the will was there and the interests weren't practically in control.

Meanwhile India and Brazil are having an apocalypse.
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Ostinato Rubato wrote:
ajaxlepinski wrote:
fretless wrote:Mike & Greta on the same page again
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandso ... e-inequali


I suppose, once everyone who wants a vaccine (in the countries that are manufacturing vaccines) gets their jab(s), the pharma companies will ship to the rest of the world?
If manufacturing was able to keep up with worldwide demand, I'm sure they would ship everywhere. There is no profit in holding back vaccines.

Unfortunately, there are priorities... strategic allies first, followed by countries producing lithium, oil and other high demand natural resources. At the bottom are countries that don't export.


This shouldn't be about "profits" though because we're losing more than what pharma would profit globally by the impacts of the virus. It should be about mitigating total impact to human lives and livelihood and be subsidized by governments in a top down deal. What Biden and the EU have the power to do but refuse to is to temporarily waive patent protections so that other countries can start manufacturing them and distributing. There's ways to have done this correctly if the will was there and the interests weren't practically in control.

Meanwhile India and Brazil are having an apocalypse.


As a Brazilian-American who lived in Brazil for nearly 1/3 of my life I will tell this: the problem with Brazil is its own Government and culture of absolute corruption. The world could give them enough vaccines for the entire population for free and it would still be rationed and explored for financial and political gain. Most people outside of the third world does not understand how deep the level of corruption in these places really is. It's absolutely beyond the pale.

There is no lack of money or resources in Brazil. None. It's one of the richest countries in the world both in terms of financial and natural resources. However, that money and resources does not reach the vast majority of the population. This is very much a local problem. No amount of global aid can solve it. It is an absolute mistake to try to pin this on the US or any other government. The Covid situation is the yellow fever, zika, dengue, malaria etc situation that were there way before I was born.
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I'm only vaguely aware of how bad the corruption is there, but like you said about the third world... it was probably obvious.

Thanks for the homegrown perspective.
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Ostinato Rubato wrote:
Meanwhile India and Brazil are having an apocalypse.


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“In 1736 I lost one of my sons, a fine boy of four years old, by the smallpox taken in the common way. I long regretted bitterly and still regret that I had not given it to him by inoculation. This I mention for the sake of the parents who omit that operation, on the supposition that they should never forgive themselves if a child died under it; my example showing that the regret may be the same either way, and that, therefore, the safer should be chosen.”
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Apples and oranges.
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