I almost don't want to live in America anymore...

[Lloyd Blankfein]

Plus, you have very little control over your own life sometimes so the (largely conservative) idea that these people should have just made better choices is utter shit.

...and bombs to drop on brown skinned people.

Have the retards taken over or something?

No, but they have learned how to hit the "start new topic" button at GAB.

You have very little control of your life? You're telling me you have littler control over who you decide to fuck? Think of all the steps that must be taken for this to occur. Apparently to you, none of which are controllable.

If that wasn't bad enough, you somehow find time to try and bring a race bait in.

lol, well done.

lol...

So in other words you have no reasonable argument...

You're right. There is no reasonable argument with someone that believes having sex is not in their control.

Think about it.




Real hard.

lol you're not real bright are ya...

That's a rhetorical question/statement...

Ever think that the kids might be a fixture before life shits the bed? My wife was about 3mo pregnant and we went from making about 80k a year to about a quarter of that. Then, to make shit more fun she decided, once Brodie was born that being a parent was way too hard and way too much responsibility so she more or less wanted to re-live her early 20's again.

Meanwhile I'm left to re-train, fight a custody battle, and raise my son on about 10% of what my former lifestyle was based on.

Shit happens.

Rhetorical? Nice back peddle. lol


And 'shit' happening, is not my problem. We call that life, you need to take responsibility for yourself.

I wish every time a hardship came my way, someone would swing in on a tarzan vine and throw money at my face and protect me from the big bad evil mean unfair world.







I don't want to live in America either, we are a country full of whiny pussies that can't get it done, can't provide for themselves or take care of anything. A bunch of fat pussies that want to blame everyone else for their problems.


Not me though.

[Meelosh]

extreme. Farmer Lloyd's opinion is a deep one that can hit many topics, but come on man, it's pretty fucking idealistic. The situation and what must be done to keep balance is far more complicated. "Be responsible" is cute and all, but if everyone was like that we wouldn't need any damn laws.

6% sounds like a shit ton.

Maybe someone here should start a super-econo diaper company aimed at low income folks. Make them out of used fast-food napkins or something.

[primeholy]

I thank nancy, I mean loyd is stirring the pot moreso than meaning what he actually says. I could be totally off here though.

[Lloyd Blankfein]

I thank nancy, I mean loyd is stirring the pot moreso than meaning what he actually says. I could be totally off here though.

I'm saying is people's first reaction to hardship used to be to roll up their sleeves and try to find a way to get through it. They were embarrassed to seek out a government hand-out.

Where now, the first response is to blame someone else and immediately look to the government for protection.

Yeah, life sucks, it throws curveballs. But people just give up way too damn easy these days. It's pathetic.




For the one that have tried every possible avenue of helping themselves and have no family to fall back on, I understand and those people need to be taken underneath a wing provided by the American working body. I agree there. There always needs to be a safety net- I have zero problem with that.

But a lot of people aren't that guy. They immediately seek to get free shit.

[Lloyd Blankfein]

extreme. Farmer Lloyd's opinion is a deep one that can hit many topics, but come on man, it's pretty fucking idealistic. The situation and what must be done to keep balance is far more complicated. "Be responsible" is cute and all, but if everyone was like that we wouldn't need any damn laws.

6% sounds like a shit ton.

Maybe someone here should start a super-econo diaper company aimed at low income folks. Make them out of used fast-food napkins or something.

I rarely see a truly broke-dick person in this country. I see a lot of expensive basketball shoes, iPhones and people with cars that are seeking free money. To me, that's is crazy.

[JonVengeance]

extreme. Farmer Lloyd's opinion is a deep one that can hit many topics, but come on man, it's pretty fucking idealistic. The situation and what must be done to keep balance is far more complicated. "Be responsible" is cute and all, but if everyone was like that we wouldn't need any damn laws.

6% sounds like a shit ton.

Maybe someone here should start a super-econo diaper company aimed at low income folks. Make them out of used fast-food napkins or something.

I rarely see a truly broke-dick person in this country. I see a lot of expensive basketball shoes, iPhones and people with cars that are seeking free money. To me, that's is crazy.

$100 basketball shoes are not expensive shoes. Some legit non-chinese made dress shoes are, at minimum, $300 unless you can find a good sale or a style that is being discontinued. You can get an iphone for cheap when signing up for a plan and those cars they have are probably repo'd sometime down the line. It's not like it's hard to buy stuff on credit. Most of those people will have that stuff taken away a few months later.

[Meelosh]

I rarely see a truly broke-dick person in this country.

I'm having a hard time caring what *you* actually see

[JonVengeance]

My point above is American consumer culture makes people want these things to be considered equal to everyone else and credit card companies allow people to get credit loans they can't pay back.

Education is the key to ending poverty. These people should be helped and that's the point of the thread. Not everyone wants to throw money at these people. Education, job training, etc. would be my solutions.

[Lloyd Blankfein]

Education, job training, etc. would be my solutions.

We already have these programs in place and they don't complete the programs or give a shit. There's only so far we can go in 'helping' people before we just realize that they don't want help, they just want everything for free.

[JonVengeance]

Education, job training, etc. would be my solutions.

We already have these programs in place and they don't complete the programs or give a shit. There's only so far we can go in 'helping' people before we just realize that they don't want help, they just want everything for free.

Please provide the statistics and/or sources to back this up. You have to provide effective education and training. If you look at where the U.S. ranks in education among industrialized nations you would probably see what I mean.

Also, countries I visited like Germany and Switzerlard could provide a good example. They don't force everyone into college and have pathways for vocational education as well. When I was in Switzerland the unemployment rate was < 3% and their income disparity was nowhere near the U.S. The U.S. needs to look at other countries that are doing things successfully and learn.

[Lloyd Blankfein]

Education, job training, etc. would be my solutions.

We already have these programs in place and they don't complete the programs or give a shit. There's only so far we can go in 'helping' people before we just realize that they don't want help, they just want everything for free.

Please provide the statistics and/or sources to back this up. You have to provide effective education and training. If you look at where the U.S. ranks in education among industrialized nations you would probably see what I mean.

Also, countries I visited like Germany and Switzerlard could provide a good example. They don't force everyone into college and have pathways for vocational education as well. When I was in Switzerland the unemployment rate was < 3% and their income disparity was nowhere near the U.S. The U.S. needs to look at other countries that are doing things successfully and learn.

Can you cite Switzerlands immigration laws/requirements and their immigration make-up in general?

Hint: it's not what America's is.


I can't remember exactly what it was, but I went through a fair amount of due diligence on creating a company in Switzerland. This was a year or two ago. Essentially as I remember it, there were two rules. To get the citizenship/entry to Switzerland you either had to be college educated with a job lined up proved by the employer, or you had to be bringing in an existing very profitable company.

Simply put, you had to be a producer. Comparing Switzerland to America is like comparing Norway to Guadalajara.

My other favorite comparison is the Sweden Vs. America argument. Sweden has the same population as NYC. lol

[madryan]

My point above is American consumer culture makes people want these things to be considered equal to everyone else and credit card companies allow people to get credit loans they can't pay back.

Education is the key to ending poverty. These people should be helped and that's the point of the thread. Not everyone wants to throw money at these people. Education, job training, etc. would be my solutions.

This...

Not only that but we've spent 30 or so years fighting "the war on drugs" which has disproportionately affected the inner city. One might say, if you look at it this way that it's the only war we've come close to "winning" and that only if the outcome was to make whole generations of inner city kids and minorities unemployable. Try getting a job with a petty drug charge on your record.

We need to un-fuck the way we fund school infrastructure as well. I'm not going to say it's racist, although the outcomes support that to some extent, but it's very classist.

But the folks calling the shots, and the folks passing the laws have continued to get astronomically richer so I guess it's all good right?

That Adam Smith guy didn't know wtf he was talking about anyway...

[Lloyd Blankfein]

Racist how? Those inner city schools get the most funding. At least in CA it's that way. It would be racist to toothless redneck kids if it were anything.

War on everything is a joke. How much money do we spend on trying to chase down ranch Mexicans growing pot in the sierras every year? Jesus.

Foreign aide is another wtf. We need domestic aide.

[madryan]

Racist how? Those inner city schools get the most funding. At least in CA it's that way. It would be racist to toothless redneck kids if it were anything.

War on everything is a joke. How much money do we spend on trying to chase down ranch Mexicans growing pot in the sierras every year? Jesus.

Foreign aide is another wtf. We need domestic aide.

I agree with the war on drugs being a joke but you're smoking crack if you think inner city schools get the most funding

[JonVengeance]

Education, job training, etc. would be my solutions.

We already have these programs in place and they don't complete the programs or give a shit. There's only so far we can go in 'helping' people before we just realize that they don't want help, they just want everything for free.

Please provide the statistics and/or sources to back this up. You have to provide effective education and training. If you look at where the U.S. ranks in education among industrialized nations you would probably see what I mean.

Also, countries I visited like Germany and Switzerlard could provide a good example. They don't force everyone into college and have pathways for vocational education as well. When I was in Switzerland the unemployment rate was < 3% and their income disparity was nowhere near the U.S. The U.S. needs to look at other countries that are doing things successfully and learn.

Can you cite Switzerlands immigration laws/requirements and their immigration make-up in general?

Hint: it's not what America's is.


I can't remember exactly what it was, but I went through a fair amount of due diligence on creating a company in Switzerland. This was a year or two ago. Essentially as I remember it, there were two rules. To get the citizenship/entry to Switzerland you either had to be college educated with a job lined up proved by the employer, or you had to be bringing in an existing very profitable company.

Simply put, you had to be a producer. Comparing Switzerland to America is like comparing Norway to Guadalajara.

My other favorite comparison is the Sweden Vs. America argument. Sweden has the same population as NYC. lol

This is incorrect. I was in Switzerland visiting my friend who had just moved there. He has no college degree and did not have a job lined up at the time. They have plenty of immigrants, mostly from Eastern Europe.

Anyway, my point was an intelligent person or people can look at policies that work in other countries and find a way to implement them. Overhauling the educational system, so that there are avenues for people to be trained in vocational fields like in those countries, has nothing to do with these nations' populations compared to the U.S.

Besides this, people need to become educated about credit, budgeting, health and proper eating, reproduction, etc. Focusing on these issues and not just Math, Science, Language, and History is pretty important and would go a long way toward helping with the problems we are talking about in this thread.

[madryan]

Don't mention the fact that you can't teach effective Reproductive Ed in this country because of the Fundy Christian folks in the bible belt and Kansas who have a death grip on our national education.

[Dickarms]

they teach fucking = babies. i know that.

[Dickarms]

while the rhetoric may be extreme, i side more with lloyd here. but education isn't some magic sword that will cut down poverty. if everyone were a doctor, everyone would be broke. there is a giant balance which at current accounts for some lesser-endowed more so than it should in a perfect world, so we have to keep that balance while adjusting bit by bit on either side to get to a better place. part of that balance is cultural. i dont have to spell it out, you know what i fucking mean. and i do mean cultural and not racial, because it crosses those lines. but i come from just such a familly. it took me getting in the military and removing myself from their terrible habbits and decisions.

and i became an upstanding citizen. no college, but drive and responsibility. made some bada decisions along the way, learned from them. and i get ten dollar copays. white people get them when they get jobs with good insurance (sarcasm, i know how you fuckers work)

[Meelosh]

while the rhetoric may be extreme, i side more with lloyd here. but education isn't some magic sword that will cut down poverty. if everyone were a doctor, everyone would be broke. there is a giant balance which at current accounts for some lesser-endowed more so than it should in a perfect world, so we have to keep that balance while adjusting bit by bit on either side to get to a better place. part of that balance is cultural. i dont have to spell it out, you know what i fucking mean. and i do mean cultural and not racial, because it crosses those lines. but i come from just such a familly. it took me getting in the military and removing myself from their terrible habbits and decisions.

and i became an upstanding citizen. no college, but drive and responsibility. made some bada decisions along the way, learned from them. and i get ten dollar copays. white people get them when they get jobs with good insurance (sarcasm, i know how you fuckers work)

wtf kind of paragraph was that

[Dickarms]

the kind i do your mom with. long, thick, no stopping. its a forum, i dont care.

[indienoise]

extreme. Farmer Lloyd's opinion is a deep one that can hit many topics, but come on man, it's pretty fucking idealistic. The situation and what must be done to keep balance is far more complicated. "Be responsible" is cute and all, but if everyone was like that we wouldn't need any damn laws.

6% sounds like a shit ton.

Maybe someone here should start a super-econo diaper company aimed at low income folks. Make them out of used fast-food napkins or something.

I rarely see a truly broke-dick person in this country. I see a lot of expensive basketball shoes, iPhones and people with cars that are seeking free money. To me, that's is crazy.

$100 basketball shoes are not expensive shoes. Some legit non-chinese made dress shoes are, at minimum, $300 unless you can find a good sale or a style that is being discontinued. You can get an iphone for cheap when signing up for a plan and those cars they have are probably repo'd sometime down the line. It's not like it's hard to buy stuff on credit. Most of those people will have that stuff taken away a few months later.

I haven't even gotten any further than this post in this thread, but I just gotta stop right here...
I'm a picky fuck when it comes to shoes because I've tried 'em all, and some days I stay on my feet long enough that I've GOT to find a comfortable shoe that will last.

But I've never paid 100 bucks for shoes. I think ONE time I've paid 60. If you just need shoes and don't care how stylish they are, you go to Ross and buy shoes for 20 bucks. There's been times in my life that's been my only option, and I've done it. Just throwing that little bit out there.

And yeah you can get an iphone cheap every once in a while on sale, but that's with major carriers, and you gotta have good credit to get with them. If someone is one government assistance, likelihood is they are on a month-to-month plan or carrier, and there is little to no subsidization for phones with those guys. I have a friend going through one of those who just paid $200 for a USED iphone.

I get where you're going with your post, but the fact is, YES if someone has those nice things it does factor in to their life decisions a little. Everybody should have shoes, but everybody doesn't need Nike.

[JonVengeance]

extreme. Farmer Lloyd's opinion is a deep one that can hit many topics, but come on man, it's pretty fucking idealistic. The situation and what must be done to keep balance is far more complicated. "Be responsible" is cute and all, but if everyone was like that we wouldn't need any damn laws.

6% sounds like a shit ton.

Maybe someone here should start a super-econo diaper company aimed at low income folks. Make them out of used fast-food napkins or something.

I rarely see a truly broke-dick person in this country. I see a lot of expensive basketball shoes, iPhones and people with cars that are seeking free money. To me, that's is crazy.

$100 basketball shoes are not expensive shoes. Some legit non-chinese made dress shoes are, at minimum, $300 unless you can find a good sale or a style that is being discontinued. You can get an iphone for cheap when signing up for a plan and those cars they have are probably repo'd sometime down the line. It's not like it's hard to buy stuff on credit. Most of those people will have that stuff taken away a few months later.

I haven't even gotten any further than this post in this thread, but I just gotta stop right here...
I'm a picky fuck when it comes to shoes because I've tried 'em all, and some days I stay on my feet long enough that I've GOT to find a comfortable shoe that will last.

But I've never paid 100 bucks for shoes. I think ONE time I've paid 60. If you just need shoes and don't care how stylish they are, you go to Ross and buy shoes for 20 bucks. There's been times in my life that's been my only option, and I've done it. Just throwing that little bit out there.

And yeah you can get an iphone cheap every once in a while on sale, but that's with major carriers, and you gotta have good credit to get with them. If someone is one government assistance, likelihood is they are on a month-to-month plan or carrier, and there is little to no subsidization for phones with those guys. I have a friend going through one of those who just paid $200 for a USED iphone.

I get where you're going with your post, but the fact is, YES if someone has those nice things it does factor in to their life decisions a little. Everybody should have shoes, but everybody doesn't need Nike.

What kind of work do you do? You've never had to wear a nice pair of dress shoes I'm guessing. It's a reality that you really do have to look the part if you want a nice job. If you are going on job interviews and such and don't want to look like a slob you need something like this.:



Those are an investment that will cost around $300, but that you can maintain for over a lifetime. They may end up saving you money instead of having to constantly replace cheap quality shoes.

Anyway, none of this really has to do with the topic of the thread.

[sleewell]

honestly though if you dont like this country either help fix it or GTFO. no sense complaining about it online like everyone else seems to be doing these days. where are you going to go? its not perfect here but where is better?


I fucking love where I live, love my state and love my job and what I do. If I didnt i would make changes, not whine about it on some forum.

[clipless bumper]

in the us, diapers are approaching medical equipment status. so many features and such high cost we are going to start needing HMOs for them, from what i hear.
which is why when i was a kid, i was in cloth diapers. it can be done
............

My wife and I could not afford disposable diapers when my kids were growing up. We used the washable type Didn't kill us
..........

Thank God there are some people who can actually think in this thread.

[JonVengeance]

in the us, diapers are approaching medical equipment status. so many features and such high cost we are going to start needing HMOs for them, from what i hear.
which is why when i was a kid, i was in cloth diapers. it can be done
............

My wife and I could not afford disposable diapers when my kids were growing up. We used the washable type Didn't kill us
..........

Thank God there are some people who can actually think in this thread.

If you though the OP was just about diapers then obviously you are one of the people who can't think. He was using the diaper example to make a larger point.