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DoubleBarrel wrote:

Devin wrote:^ Of all things, THAT is possibly the most racist thing you've ever heard?? Consider yourself lucky!

I've heard things about a million times more terrible than that. Hell, what they said is probably true.

It's ironic...... ........racist people calling every one else racists. But no one will say anything about it because if they did, Al Sharton, Jesse Jackson & the other race traders (people who make money off of race issues & publicity) would be all over them.

let's put it this way...........if a white person said that, would it be considered racist ?

If so, then why isn't anyone calling her a racist ?

What she said wasn't racist at all. If you think it is then you don't know what racist means. Racist - The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.


It was a racial observation based on her opinions and experiences. There is a difference between racial and racist. She was making no pronouncement that one race was superior to another. I would agree with her opinion to some extent. This is all based on my understanding of the word racist as well as my own opinion. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have nothing to do with it.

edit: What's a race trader? Did you mean race baiter or race traitor?

JonVengeance wrote:

DoubleBarrel wrote:

Devin wrote:^ Of all things, THAT is possibly the most racist thing you've ever heard?? Consider yourself lucky!

I've heard things about a million times more terrible than that. Hell, what they said is probably true.

It's ironic...... ........racist people calling every one else racists. But no one will say anything about it because if they did, Al Sharton, Jesse Jackson & the other race traders (people who make money off of race issues & publicity) would be all over them.

let's put it this way...........if a white person said that, would it be considered racist ?

If so, then why isn't anyone calling her a racist ?

What she said wasn't racist at all. If you think it is then you don't know what racist means. Racist - The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.


It was a racial observation based on her opinions and experiences. There is a difference between racial and racist. She was making no pronouncement that one race was superior to another. I would agree with her opinion to some extent. This is all based on my understanding of the word racist as well as my own opinion. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have nothing to do with it.

edit: What's a race trader? Did you mean race baiter or race traitor?

Your definition of racism is very limited and is missing some key elements. See # 2

1. racism - the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races.
2. racism - discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race



A race "trader" is one who exploits race and racial issues to make money, and further thier own fame & political adgendas.I thought I explained it pretty well in the original post, but I guess you'd have to read the whole post instead of having a knee jerk reaction to me calling a racist, a racist

DoubleBarrel wrote:

JonVengeance wrote:

DoubleBarrel wrote:

Devin wrote:^ Of all things, THAT is possibly the most racist thing you've ever heard?? Consider yourself lucky!

I've heard things about a million times more terrible than that. Hell, what they said is probably true.

It's ironic...... ........racist people calling every one else racists. But no one will say anything about it because if they did, Al Sharton, Jesse Jackson & the other race traders (people who make money off of race issues & publicity) would be all over them.

let's put it this way...........if a white person said that, would it be considered racist ?

If so, then why isn't anyone calling her a racist ?

What she said wasn't racist at all. If you think it is then you don't know what racist means. Racist - The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.


It was a racial observation based on her opinions and experiences. There is a difference between racial and racist. She was making no pronouncement that one race was superior to another. I would agree with her opinion to some extent. This is all based on my understanding of the word racist as well as my own opinion. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have nothing to do with it.

edit: What's a race trader? Did you mean race baiter or race traitor?

Your definition of racism is very limited and is missing some key elements. See # 2

1. racism - the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races.
2. racism - discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race



A race "trader" is one who exploits race and racial issues to make money, and further thier own fame & political adgendas.I thought I explained it pretty well in the original post, but I guess you'd have to read the whole post instead of having a knee jerk reaction to me calling a racist, a racist

First, I read your whole post. Race trader is not an actual term. Here's what race baiting is: The act of using racially derisive language, actions, or other forms of communication in order to anger or intimidate or coerce a person or group of people. I think that's what you were going for.

Second, neither one of your definitions fits what you are calling racism. You are accusing the mother of making racist statements. She did not disparage or make any abusive remarks about another race. She was making a racial observation. There is a difference. What she said was racial, but in no way was it racist.

race pimpin' ain't easy but somebody gotta do it

i don't get the Marc Ant'ny thing all though. that bro is whiter than some white people i know. i would love a gf from PR or Cuba, etc.. so fucking hawt.

all i can do is sigh and be the best NoLimitHonky i can be

And we all thought the Archie Bunkers of the world were disappearing :sad:

JonVengeance wrote:

DoubleBarrel wrote:

JonVengeance wrote:

DoubleBarrel wrote:

Devin wrote:^ Of all things, THAT is possibly the most racist thing you've ever heard?? Consider yourself lucky!

I've heard things about a million times more terrible than that. Hell, what they said is probably true.

It's ironic...... ........racist people calling every one else racists. But no one will say anything about it because if they did, Al Sharton, Jesse Jackson & the other race traders (people who make money off of race issues & publicity) would be all over them.

let's put it this way...........if a white person said that, would it be considered racist ?

If so, then why isn't anyone calling her a racist ?

What she said wasn't racist at all. If you think it is then you don't know what racist means. Racist - The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.


It was a racial observation based on her opinions and experiences. There is a difference between racial and racist. She was making no pronouncement that one race was superior to another. I would agree with her opinion to some extent. This is all based on my understanding of the word racist as well as my own opinion. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have nothing to do with it.

edit: What's a race trader? Did you mean race baiter or race traitor?

Your definition of racism is very limited and is missing some key elements. See # 2

1. racism - the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races.
2. racism - discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race



A race "trader" is one who exploits race and racial issues to make money, and further thier own fame & political adgendas.I thought I explained it pretty well in the original post, but I guess you'd have to read the whole post instead of having a knee jerk reaction to me calling a racist, a racist

First, I read your whole post. Race trader is not an actual term. Here's what race baiting is: The act of using racially derisive language, actions, or other forms of communication in order to anger or intimidate or coerce a person or group of people. I think that's what you were going for.

Second, neither one of your definitions fits what you are calling racism. You are accusing the mother of making racist statements. She did not disparage or make any abusive remarks about another race. She was making a racial observation. There is a difference. What she said was racial, but in no way was it racist.

1) Race Trader is a term. Just beacause you haven't heard it before, or can't understand it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist maybe you need to listen to a few less far left news platforms.

2) Race baiting, is what a race trader does for profit & press.

3) Call it what ever you want (remarks, observation, statement), but at the core of the sentiment, was racism. You get so wrapped up in words, that you lose the entire meaning of what was said.

4) What she said is offensive & racist.

If He Were White, 'This Never Would've Happened'

WTF ? How can you even say that ? Does she think that being white makes you bullet proof or does she think so little of her own race, that they get shot all the time ? Or is it that Zimmerman is white..... ....wait a minute, he's hispanic.........so that can't be it...........oh I forgot, he's "White Hispanic"

It's sending a terrible message to other little black and brown boys

black and brown boys ????? WTF?? Why only black and brown ? and why only boys ? So females, asians and whites are completely safe, but if you are boy who is brown or black, you are a target ?


5) Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton have a lot to do with it. Who do you think is pressuring Obama & Holder to open a civil rights case against Zimmerman. They were both just in Orlando for the Trayvon/anti-Zimmerman marches.

Al Sharpton -"there is also a blatant civil rights question of does Trayvon Martin and the Trayvon Martins of this country have the civil right to go home."

but the real issue is

Sharpton says vigils will be followed by a conference next week in Miami to develop a plan to address Florida's "stand-your-ground" law. The law gives people wide latitude to use deadly force if they fear death or bodily harm.

http://www.fuse.tv/videos/2013/07/leste ... tack-video

Racist rednecks need to die off already. It's 2013 and the human race should have evolved way beyond this nonsense.

And doublebarrel the woman's son was murdered she can say w/e the fuck she wants you insensitive dolt. I'm sure you wouldn't say anything questionnable after your kid was shot, right?

yep. all you have to do is remove head from your ass and see the terms the race hustlers are using and what they're going after.
even Daredevil aka Stevie Wonder was bitching about the SYG laws which have NOTHING to do with this case. the fact that people can't even get that past their prejudices is what's pathetic. Holder and the Miller Time twins Al & Jessah have been squawking about this since the verdict, which for the last time, was not at issue in this case. yet people who get their news from CNN and the Daily Show are told that and believe it, and regurgitate it, and rightfully so get ridiculed for it because of the absurdity of it all.

also, when Charles Barkley calls you stupid, you've officially bottomed out. #CapitalOneVentureCard

'63-Strat wrote:http://www.fuse.tv/videos/2013/07/lester-chambers-trayvon-martin-attack-video

Racist rednecks need to die off already. It's 2013 and the human race should have evolved way beyond this nonsense.

So according to you all white people are renecks and only they can be racist


I got 5 bucks that says that video was a set up

'63-Strat wrote:And doublebarrel the woman's son was murdered she can say w/e the fuck she wants you insensitive dolt. I'm sure you wouldn't say anything questionnable after your kid was shot, right?

The point is, that because she is black, and her son was black, and he got shot by a hispanic, she feels it's ok to blame white people.


Yes, under the first amendment, she can say whatever she wants. That doesn't mean that it's correct or not racist. She should be held to the same standards everyone else is. You can't just throw the race card down

1) Race Trader is a term. Just beacause you haven't heard it before, or can't understand it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist maybe you need to listen to a few less far left news platforms.

Race Trader is not a term. Race Traitor is. Wtf would it even mean? Trading races? Try googling race trader. I did and I didn't find anything relating to the definition you are ascribing to it.

FYI, I don't get my news from listening to or watching the news. It's all garbage. If you want real news without ridiculous editorializing or sensationalism you should try reading. I check out The Economist, Washington Post, Washington Times, NY Times, Wall Street Journal to name a few.

That term race trader that you are trying to make happen seems like something you are parroting from right wing radio. They were probably saying race traitor or race baiter and you misheard them.

Also, I have to admit that when I do listen to talk radio I usually check out the right wing station. It's hilarious. I listen to Rush, Hannity, Michael Savage and others and and

2) Race baiting, is what a race trader does for profit & press.

Is race trading like stocks? Buy White! Sell Black!

3) Call it what ever you want (remarks, observation, statement), but at the core of the sentiment, was racism. You get so wrapped up in words, that you lose the entire meaning of what was said.

It wasn't a racist comment. Words have meanings. Racist means that you are making racially intolerant remarks or discriminating based on race. Again, she was making a racial comment. You are making inferences and distorting what she said to imply racism, but it's not in the original statement.

Quote:
If He Were White, 'This Never Would've Happened'
WTF ? How can you even say that ? Does she think that being white makes you bullet proof or does she think so little of her own race, that they get shot all the time ? Or is it that Zimmerman is white..... ....wait a minute, he's hispanic.........so that can't be it...........oh I forgot, he's "White Hispanic"

Look how much assuming and speculating you are doing to make her statement into a racist comment. She is most definitely making a racial comment, based on her opinion, but since it is not disparaging of any race it is not racist.

4) What she said is offensive & racist.

No it wasn't. It was a racial comment: Racial: 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of race or races.
2. Arising from or based on differences among human racial groups . You are trying really hard to make it into a racist statement, but it's not. People can discuss race without it being racist. If the people talking about these issues knew the meanings of these words we would have a lot less accusations of racism flying around. This applies to the left and right.

DoubleBarrel wrote:

'63-Strat wrote:http://www.fuse.tv/videos/2013/07/lester-chambers-trayvon-martin-attack-video

Racist rednecks need to die off already. It's 2013 and the human race should have evolved way beyond this nonsense.

So according to you all white people are renecks and only they can be racist


I got 5 bucks that says that video was a set up

I didn't say that at all, actually. A) I'm white. B) I didn't say all white people are racist or even that all rednecks are racist. Reading comprehension may not be one of your strengths.

That video was a setup because you'd like it to be?

'63-Strat wrote:http://www.fuse.tv/videos/2013/07/lester-chambers-trayvon-martin-attack-video

Racist rednecks need to die off already. It's 2013 and the human race should have evolved way beyond this nonsense.

All racists need to die off, or just the redneck ones?

Diddlybo wrote:

'63-Strat wrote:http://www.fuse.tv/videos/2013/07/lester-chambers-trayvon-martin-attack-video

Racist rednecks need to die off already. It's 2013 and the human race should have evolved way beyond this nonsense.

All racists need to die off, or just the redneck ones?

Of course all racists. But in context of that video, particularly redneck ones.

Same DoubleBarrel, same backwards opinions!

JonVengeance wrote:

1) Race Trader is a term. Just beacause you haven't heard it before, or can't understand it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist maybe you need to listen to a few less far left news platforms.

Race Trader is not a term. Race Traitor is. Wtf would it even mean? Trading races? Try googling race trader. I did and I didn't find anything relating to the definition you are ascribing to it.

you aren't very good at the google, are you?

try - "race trader" exploit

you will easily find references to the phrase 'race trader'.

how can you even say it is not a term - I have read it multiple times in just this thread - and I know exactly what he meant by it.

DoubleBarrel wrote:

Sharpton says vigils will be followed by a conference next week in Miami to develop a plan to address Florida's "stand-your-ground" law. The law gives people wide latitude to use deadly force if they fear death or bodily harm.

I don't get why they would think getting rid of that law would help. It wasn't even used in this case. Not too mention, it seems to be used by many black folks in Florida

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/blacks-benefit-from-florida-stand-your-ground-law-at-disproportionate-rate/

JonVengeance wrote:

1) Race Trader is a term. Just beacause you haven't heard it before, or can't understand it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist maybe you need to listen to a few less far left news platforms.

Race Trader is not a term. Race Traitor is. Wtf would it even mean? Trading races? Try googling race trader. I did and I didn't find anything relating to the definition you are ascribing to it.

FYI, I don't get my news from listening to or watching the news. It's all garbage. If you want real news without ridiculous editorializing or sensationalism you should try reading. I check out The Economist, Washington Post, Washington Times, NY Times, Wall Street Journal to name a few.

That term race trader that you are trying to make happen seems like something you are parroting from right wing radio. They were probably saying race traitor or race baiter and you misheard them.

Also, I have to admit that when I do listen to talk radio I usually check out the right wing station. It's hilarious. I listen to Rush, Hannity, Michael Savage and others and and

2) Race baiting, is what a race trader does for profit & press.

Is race trading like stocks? Buy White! Sell Black!

3) Call it what ever you want (remarks, observation, statement), but at the core of the sentiment, was racism. You get so wrapped up in words, that you lose the entire meaning of what was said.

It wasn't a racist comment. Words have meanings. Racist means that you are making racially intolerant remarks or discriminating based on race. Again, she was making a racial comment. You are making inferences and distorting what she said to imply racism, but it's not in the original statement.

Quote:
If He Were White, 'This Never Would've Happened'
WTF ? How can you even say that ? Does she think that being white makes you bullet proof or does she think so little of her own race, that they get shot all the time ? Or is it that Zimmerman is white..... ....wait a minute, he's hispanic.........so that can't be it...........oh I forgot, he's "White Hispanic"

Look how much assuming and speculating you are doing to make her statement into a racist comment. She is most definitely making a racial comment, based on her opinion, but since it is not disparaging of any race it is not racist.

4) What she said is offensive & racist.

No it wasn't. It was a racial comment: Racial: 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of race or races.
2. Arising from or based on differences among human racial groups . You are trying really hard to make it into a racist statement, but it's not. People can discuss race without it being racist. If the people talking about these issues knew the meanings of these words we would have a lot less accusations of racism flying around. This applies to the left and right.

You are a complete idiot, there's nothng missing, your idiocy is complete. Let's see if your tiny little lefty brain can handle this.


Just because a term isn't on google, does not mean it doesn't exist, or isn't valid.



And stop telling me I mean to say something else, when I konw perfectly well what I said.


A race "Trader" is one whose "trade" meaning job, (you know like a horse trader, or a slave trader) is exploiting race & racial issues for personal gain.


Also, what she said was offensive to me, so it is offensive. You don't get to make that judgement for me. if I am offended by it, it's offensive. got it ?


the fact the you, by your own addmission

I have to admit that when I do listen to talk radio I usually check out the right wing station. It's hilarious. I listen to Rush, Hannity, Michael Savage and others and and

That lets me know exactly what kind of an idiot you are. I'm not saying I agree with all that they say, especially Rush, But if you can't see at least some validity in what points Hannity & O'Riley make, then you are dumber than I though. You need to lay off the "Special" Ed Show, Rachele Maddow, Piers Morgan, and all the other lefty idiots.

mamberg wrote:

JonVengeance wrote:

1) Race Trader is a term. Just beacause you haven't heard it before, or can't understand it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist maybe you need to listen to a few less far left news platforms.

Race Trader is not a term. Race Traitor is. Wtf would it even mean? Trading races? Try googling race trader. I did and I didn't find anything relating to the definition you are ascribing to it.

you aren't very good at the google, are you?

try - "race trader" exploit

you will easily find references to the phrase 'race trader'.

how can you even say it is not a term - I have read it multiple times in just this thread - and I know exactly what he meant by it.

The only thing I found was people using the term race trader when they meant race traitor. I can't find an actual example of usage or dictionary definition anywhere.

I don't find her comment racist, although I don't agree with it.

DoubleBarrel wrote:

JonVengeance wrote:

1) Race Trader is a term. Just beacause you haven't heard it before, or can't understand it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist maybe you need to listen to a few less far left news platforms.

Race Trader is not a term. Race Traitor is. Wtf would it even mean? Trading races? Try googling race trader. I did and I didn't find anything relating to the definition you are ascribing to it.

FYI, I don't get my news from listening to or watching the news. It's all garbage. If you want real news without ridiculous editorializing or sensationalism you should try reading. I check out The Economist, Washington Post, Washington Times, NY Times, Wall Street Journal to name a few.

That term race trader that you are trying to make happen seems like something you are parroting from right wing radio. They were probably saying race traitor or race baiter and you misheard them.

Also, I have to admit that when I do listen to talk radio I usually check out the right wing station. It's hilarious. I listen to Rush, Hannity, Michael Savage and others and and

2) Race baiting, is what a race trader does for profit & press.

Is race trading like stocks? Buy White! Sell Black!

3) Call it what ever you want (remarks, observation, statement), but at the core of the sentiment, was racism. You get so wrapped up in words, that you lose the entire meaning of what was said.

It wasn't a racist comment. Words have meanings. Racist means that you are making racially intolerant remarks or discriminating based on race. Again, she was making a racial comment. You are making inferences and distorting what she said to imply racism, but it's not in the original statement.

Quote:
If He Were White, 'This Never Would've Happened'
WTF ? How can you even say that ? Does she think that being white makes you bullet proof or does she think so little of her own race, that they get shot all the time ? Or is it that Zimmerman is white..... ....wait a minute, he's hispanic.........so that can't be it...........oh I forgot, he's "White Hispanic"

Look how much assuming and speculating you are doing to make her statement into a racist comment. She is most definitely making a racial comment, based on her opinion, but since it is not disparaging of any race it is not racist.

4) What she said is offensive & racist.

No it wasn't. It was a racial comment: Racial: 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of race or races.
2. Arising from or based on differences among human racial groups . You are trying really hard to make it into a racist statement, but it's not. People can discuss race without it being racist. If the people talking about these issues knew the meanings of these words we would have a lot less accusations of racism flying around. This applies to the left and right.

You are a complete idiot, there's nothng missing, your idiocy is complete. Let's see if your tiny little lefty brain can handle this.


Just because a term isn't on google, does not mean it doesn't exist, or isn't valid.



And stop telling me I mean to say something else, when I konw perfectly well what I said.


A race "Trader" is one whose "trade" meaning job, (you know like a horse trader, or a slave trader) is exploiting race & racial issues for personal gain.


Also, what she said was offensive to me, so it is offensive. You don't get to make that judgement for me. if I am offended by it, it's offensive. got it ?


the fact the you, by your own addmission

I have to admit that when I do listen to talk radio I usually check out the right wing station. It's hilarious. I listen to Rush, Hannity, Michael Savage and others and and

That lets me know exactly what kind of an idiot you are. I'm not saying I agree with all that they say, especially Rush, But if you can't see at least some validity in what points Hannity & O'Riley make, then you are dumber than I though. You need to lay off the "Special" Ed Show, Rachele Maddow, Piers Morgan, and all the other lefty idiots.

I like to get my news as unfiltered as possible that's why I don't listen to these sources except for entertainment. These radio shows and television programs do not provide the news. The fact that you listen to this garbage comes as no surprise.

Please re-read my post. I said all radio and television news is garbage. I watch none of it unless I happen to see CNN, Fox, or MSNBC on at the gym. I don't know who Special Ed is and I have never seen Rachael Maddow. I have seen Piers Morgan, but that' only because CNN was on at my gym.

I told you I read the Economist, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Washington Times, NY Times when I can.

That's why I don't get emotionally invested in these ridiculous issues. I do like debating though. After all I do have a degree in political science. I actually consider myself a political centrist.

rear naked wrote:I don't find her comment racist, although I don't agree with it.

That's all I'm saying. And it is completely fine if people don't agree with it.

rear naked wrote:I don't find her comment racist, although I don't agree with it.

That's because your poor little soul isn't as sensitive as DoubleBarrel's . Luckily, DoubleBarrel's in a minority group, maybe on this forum and maybe in the world too

JonVengeance wrote:I told you I read the Economist, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Washington Times, NY Times when I can.

I wouldn't consider those non-bias sources of information

EDIT: BTW, I'm not taking sides. Just pointing that out