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Back-handed racism, how does it work? This thread has plenty of it.


Zimmerman is going to jail for a long time. As he should.

Sounds to me like Precious Trayvon's the racist, to me.

Any unedited audio of Zimmerman using racial slurs that night?

I don't know what happened, but the double standard when it comes to that shit baffles me.

it doesn't matter. Zimmerman will be sentenced to the fullest extent. If they don't nail Zimmerman's ass to the wall, we know good & well what's gonna happen, and the people in that area don't want that. Remember the LA riots? Hell..remember Jackson & Sharpton stirring the pot in Sanford when this whole thing started? They ain't gonna let that happen. Zimmerman is going away for a loooooong time, no matter what.

GuitarBilly wrote:Well I don't like the stand your ground law, but the fact is that based on the current law in FL, Zimmerman does have a self-defense case.

Following someone down the street or even stopping someone and asking questions is stupid and annoying - but it is not a crime.

The physical evidence makes pretty clear that Martin is the one who escalated a street encounter into a physical confrontation, because Zimmerman was beaten up and that could not have happened AFTER he fired the single, fatal shot. Martin showed no injuries other than the shot.

So he does have a self-defense case. Do I like it? No, I don't. But still.

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this.

all of this.

thenakedarab wrote:

indienoise wrote:Good God. "They" (whoever "they" is) have really succeeded in distracting us when it comes to this case. The fact that this is STILL a racial thing, what, a year later? shows how little we've actually evolved. It started out as a racial thing and no one has put that to rest, it's only been made worse and worse.

No, it's very possible that the racial motivation for Zimmerman approaching Martin was fabricated by the media, that Martin was in fact the racist of the two, and Zimmerman simply an over zealous busy body/wanna be cop who did something stupid which put him in a position where he then had to defend himself. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it looks like a possibility. Like I said it's possible that if Martin was white or Hispanic, then the outcome would have been the same. Would you still say it was a racial thing then, considering Zimmerman is of mixed race?

Oh sure, nobody really knows except those two guys and there's only one who can tell their story. I'm not disagreeing with any of that, I'm just saying the fact that here we are a year later still talking about this being a racial thing, it just doesn't inspire confidence in the human race. It's pretty much the only aspect anybody really cares about, from what I see, and the fact that's even interesting enough to BE news (or should I say, newsertainment or whatever you call it)...well, you know the rest.

Anyone else think the same thing after over a week of testimony? Curious to see what people think.

marshallnoise wrote:Anyone else think the same thing after over a week of testimony? Curious to see what people think.

After what I have heard over the last few days it seems more and more like a clear cut case of self defense, under Florida law. Mr Z was having the crap knocked out of him by Mr M who was on top of him, and Mr Z was shouting for assistance. I have heard nothing that implicates Mr Z as having racist motives or inclinations. Mr M however seems to have had a bit of a racist attitude which evidently played a role in his interaction with Mr Z.

I am somewhat surprised at the direction the testamony has taken over the last few days.

Of course, "it ain't over untill it's over".

This case is really upsetting me. Unfortunately, there is only one person still alive who was there and knows what happened.

The case is NOT about this, but, had Zimmerman stayed his punk ass in his car like the police requested, this wouldn't have happened. I still can't understand how the guy with the gun, the phone, and the car for shelter, ends up with HIS ass kicked. That is what this case should be about, but it's not, and I understand that.

We've ALL come across kids/teens/whatever like Trayvon Martin, while we are unarmed and NOT on the phone with Police, and somehow we don't get our asses kicked. It's probably because we leave those kids alone and don't follow them around.

It is also unfortunate to me that the SYG law, seemingly, and for whatever reason, does/did not apply for Trayvon. He is the one who was unarmed, being followed by someone with a lethal weapon. I dunno, if I'm walking down the street with only a pack of skittles and some bigger guy who has a gun is following me, I'm going to feel like my life is in danger, but that's just me.

Again, that is NOT what the case is about, unfortunately, and that is our justice system at work, whether I/we like it or not.

JonVengeance wrote:

nightflameauto wrote:Yeah, I think every kid that talks ghetto in an attempt to look tough during his teen years should be shot dead for it too.



I'm still waiting for ANYTHING to come out that the kid did wrong before the confrontation, which seemed to stem from being followed by Zimmerman. I'm not sure it's important that we paint the kid as clean cut or shitty. He was being followed around for no apparent reason, even after dispatcher/whoever told the guy following him he didn't need to. What is it Martin actually DID that required being followed, escalation to a confrontation stemming from that base action, eventually leading to a shooting?

My take on the case is this:

Trayvon was a kid and Zimmerman is an adult. So what if Martin spoke like a thug, smoked weed etc? He was a stupid kid. Almost all of us have done similar stuff at that age. I know I tried to be tough, edgy and rebellious when I was a teenager. I would also be upset at someone profiling me or trying to exert their authority, not the Zimmerman actually had any.

Zimmerman should have been more mature and simply followed Martin at a distance, reported the incident to the police, and not put himself in a position to have to use his weapon.

Neither one was perfect, but you would think the adult in the situation would have been a little more mature and thought things through.

Yup

thenakedarab wrote:He didn't have to follow him, and was stupid to do so. In fact he was told not to, BUT that does not make him guilty of 2nd degree murder.

Following someone with a gun sounds like he may have had some intent to kill

I'm confused why people are making such a big deal out of this. Thugs kill each other all the time. Two mongoloids decided to throw down. There is nothing mind blowing or eye opening about this. Trashy people do trashy shit.

Telephant wrote:I'm confused why people are making such a big deal out of this. Thugs kill each other all the time. Two mongoloids decided to throw down. There is nothing mind blowing or eye opening about this. Trashy people do trashy shit.

Lol, there is a little more to it than that.

These were not just two thugs from local gangs who "threw down".

"Thug" #1 was walking down the street minding his own bidness, with a pack of skittles, thug #2, was following him around because he thought he was up to no good. What happens next is alleged and a bit sketchy, but one guy ended up dying, and the other is in court now.

The Anomaly wrote:

Telephant wrote:I'm confused why people are making such a big deal out of this. Thugs kill each other all the time. Two mongoloids decided to throw down. There is nothing mind blowing or eye opening about this. Trashy people do trashy shit.

Lol, there is a little more to it than that.

These were not just two thugs from local gangs who "threw down".

"Thug" #1 was walking down the street minding his own bidness, with a pack of skittles, thug #2, was following him around because he thought he was up to no good. What happens next is alleged and a bit sketchy, but one guy ended up dying, and the other is in court now.

Ok, so two trashy motherfuckers who are unable to mind their own business throw down? Fuck 'em both. The video of the cops shooting the dog upsets me more than these asshats.

Telephant wrote:Ok, so two trashy motherfuckers who are unable to mind their own business throw down? Fuck 'em both. The video of the cops shooting the dog upsets me more than these asshats.

Srs tho, the gist of this whole thing is that it SEEMS like Trayvon WAS minding his own bidness. How he went from doing that to getting shot is what the whole case is about.

From the witness testimony, Trayvon knocked Zimmerman to the ground and was doing a "ground and pound" on him, which would make it self-defence at that point.

Also, don't attack people in a concealed carry state.

All that being said, it's horrible that Trayvon had to die as a result of all this. He was just a teenager and god knows I didn't make great decisions at that age.

That fact that evidence and witness pointed to self-defense is why the police initially let Zimmerman go free.

The Anomaly wrote:

Srs tho, the gist of this whole thing is that it SEEMS like Trayvon WAS minding his own bidness. How he went from doing that to getting shot is what the whole case is about.

Actually it is about how Mr M went from minding his own business to attacking Mr Z and causing him to defend himself. It seems that Mr M had an "attitude" regarding Mr Z following him. How it turned into the actual moment of Mr M attacking Mr Z, I am still a little unclear about. I have heard nothing so far to make me believe that Mr Z actually did anything to Mr M to provoke the assault,or feel he was defending himself. Both men could have made better choices, but it was Mr M's choice to commit the initial violent act that resulted in the worst possible of outcomes.

That is what I draw from the testimony I am aware of so far.

It is not over yet, we shall see.

Casey4s wrote:

The Anomaly wrote:

Srs tho, the gist of this whole thing is that it SEEMS like Trayvon WAS minding his own bidness. How he went from doing that to getting shot is what the whole case is about.

Actually it is about how Mr M went from minding his own business to attacking Mr Z and causing him to defend himself. It seems that Mr M had an "attitude" regarding Mr Z following him. How it turned into the actual moment of Mr M attacking Mr Z, I am still a little unclear about. I have heard nothing so far to make me believe that Mr Z actually did anything to Mr M to provoke the assault,or feel he was defending himself. Both men could have made better choices, but it was Mr M's choice to commit the initial violent act that resulted in the worst possible of outcomes.

That is what I draw from the testimony I am aware of so far.

It is not over yet, we shall see.

Mr. Z made the choice to follow Mr. M close enough to allow an altercation to happen. Plus, Mr. had a good reason to be angry at Mr. Z following him. Was he a cop? No. What authority did he have? None. I can understand his feelings of frustration and possibly fear considering he was a 17 year old, possibly rebellious (like most 17 yr olds), kid being pursued when he had done nothing wrong. I'm sure he was feeling resentful, angry, and trying to come off tough. Again, that's typical of a 17 year old. Mr Z was an adult and should have acted accordingly and made the better choices of the two since he should have had more life experience and better judgement. Mr. Z should have never put himself in a position to be beaten up or to use his gun. He did not have to pursue him so closely. He could have easily followed at a distance in his car and made sure nothing nefarious was going on.

At least part (in my opinion, a big part) of the blame for the altercation has to be put on Mr. Z and I believe he should be punished for that. He doesn't deserve a life sentence, but I'd be satisfied with 5-10 years.

JonVengeance wrote:

Casey4s wrote:

The Anomaly wrote:

Srs tho, the gist of this whole thing is that it SEEMS like Trayvon WAS minding his own bidness. How he went from doing that to getting shot is what the whole case is about.

Actually it is about how Mr M went from minding his own business to attacking Mr Z and causing him to defend himself. It seems that Mr M had an "attitude" regarding Mr Z following him. How it turned into the actual moment of Mr M attacking Mr Z, I am still a little unclear about. I have heard nothing so far to make me believe that Mr Z actually did anything to Mr M to provoke the assault,or feel he was defending himself. Both men could have made better choices, but it was Mr M's choice to commit the initial violent act that resulted in the worst possible of outcomes.

That is what I draw from the testimony I am aware of so far.

It is not over yet, we shall see.

Mr. Z made the choice to follow Mr. M close enough to allow an altercation to happen. Plus, Mr. had a good reason to be angry at Mr. Z following him. Was he a cop? No. What authority did he have? None. I can understand his feelings of frustration and possibly fear considering he was a 17 year old kid an not an adult. Mr Z was an adult and should have acted accordingly and made the better choices of the two since he should have had more life experience and better judgement. Mr. Z should have never put himself in a position to be beaten up or to use his gun. He did not have to pursue him so closely. He could have easily followed at a distance in his car and made sure nothing nefarious was going on.

At least part (in my opinion, a big part) of the blame for the altercation has to be put on Mr. Z and I believe he should be punished for that. He doesn't deserve a life sentence, but I'd be satisfied with 5-10 years.

I don't think so. Nothing illegal really happened until Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. That's when it turned into self-defense. Bad judgement on Trayvon's part that cost him his life.

Zimmerman was guilty of horrible judgement though. Stupid to walk around with a gun like that. Absolutely stupid.

Never attack someone in a concealed carry state.

Lets be honest, that Zimmerman dude was rolling around with a gun looking for some shit to do. Following someone down the street cause you're a good samaritan? GTFO of here.

Telephant wrote:Lets be honest, that Zimmerman dude was rolling around with a gun looking for some shit to do. Following someone down the street cause you're a good samaritan? GTFO of here.

I know you won't care about the details, but he was actually asked to do this by members of his HOA, had been vandalized personally and apparently the whole neighborhood has been vandalized. He had a concealed carry permit and had a lot of L.E.O. training and classwork. The guy wasn't some vigilante asshole looking to bust a cap into someone. He was tasked to do this.

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marshallnoise wrote:

Telephant wrote:Lets be honest, that Zimmerman dude was rolling around with a gun looking for some shit to do. Following someone down the street cause you're a good samaritan? GTFO of here.

I know you won't care about the details, but he was actually asked to do this by members of his HOA, had been vandalized personally and apparently the whole neighborhood has been vandalized. He had a concealed carry permit and had a lot of L.E.O. training and classwork. The guy wasn't some vigilante asshole looking to bust a cap into someone. He was tasked to do this.

And he was told by the police on the phone, NOT to follow Trayvon.

He also has a long history of calling the police (50 times, i believe), and a violent history as well. This guy is not the model citizen you think he is.

Also, some of you guys are assuming as fact that TM provoked and/or attacked GZ. Do we know that 100%?

I'm not asking what you think, I'm asking what you know, without a doubt.

Also, GZ said that he did not know what SYG was, at the time of the incident, but his former professors testified that he DID know exactly what SYG was, and got an A in the class that it was taught.

Again, not as innocent and law abiding as some would like to think. Dude is lying already.