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That big guy only looks scary. He's slow, out of shape and off balance.
One of the three guys could have easily pushed him over from behind then, two guys sit on him until the cops show up.
Guys like that can barely get up off the floor... with two guys sitting on him, he wouldn't be able to move.
You just have to make sure he doesn't get the chance to sit on you.

The victim could have easily avoided that beating by moving away. There is no way he could have caught her.

I like to think we all would help in that situation and not care about anything but helping her . At the very least push him around and then fend off a mad man so be it . Sometimes it's the bystanders that can save a life .. or not .

The pos attacked a 63 year old woman the day before he beat this woman.

rock flag and eagle wrote:The pos attacked a 63 year old woman the day before he beat this woman.

Jesus. Throw away the key.

fretless wrote:I like to think we all would help in that situation and not care about anything but helping her . At the very least push him around and then fend off a mad man so be it . Sometimes it's the bystanders that can save a life .. or not .

This is a completely different story, but someone did get involved:
TL;DR
A 37-year-old man tries to kidnap a 31-year-old ex-girlfriend when a 41-year-old man, a family friend of the woman, intervenes and gets shot dead by the kidnapper. Kidnapper/killer is still at large.
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/06 ... t-escapes/

To oversimplify it, on one far end, the easiest thing to do if you notice something like this is to ignore it and pretend you didn't see it. On the other end, it is to get physically involved based on your conscience even though it has nothing to do with you. And of course then there are all the shades of gray in between.

From the vantage point of the security camera, it looks like the man is not armed. But if I were there and things were happening fast, I wouldn't know. My imagination would think of all the other myriad of possibilities. Paralysis by analysis. Would I be escalating the situation by getting involved? Are there others in the man's car who will come out and get involved? Are they armed? How much risk of injury or death would I be taking? What about my wife, my kids, my home, my job, etc.? I mean a lot would be going through my mind.

"This just needs to stop"? Honestly, I don't think it will. I do believe it's not as bad, and not as prevalent as it is in other densely populated areas in this world (and maybe I have my head up my ass too). But an absolute end to violence? Nope. I'm not going to count on it. The world is too random, and evil is a reality and here to stay. Scientists and researchers come up with explanations, patterns, and statistics, but in the end, it can happen to anyone where there are a lot of people living in the same area.

Scums like this is why we have jails and mental institutions.
While I don’t condone it you can understand what actually motivates crimes like robberies, car jackings, etc.
But this makes no sense whatever to me. Bullshit those guys just let this guy skate away, sure he’s big but he’ll be gassed in literally 10 seconds of struggle because he’s a fucking blob. This is why I think martial arts training is so important for the average good person.
I know countless women in my BJJ gym that could have literally taken this guy down and put him to sleep solo.
And again people over estimate size in a case like this. Dudes what 350 probably? You telling me those 3 guys combined aren’t more than that and have the advantage of literally 3 vs 1.

Glad he’s in custody at least.

"Scums like this is why we have jails and mental institutions" These are the SCUMS that the DAs are letting out of jail.

ajaxlepinski wrote:At the end of the video, three men (one with a sledge hammer) walk up to the perp... and apparently let him go?!?!?!? WTF!?!?!
They could have destroyed that fuckwad!!!! They should have detained that guy, called the cops and held him until they showed up.

It’s 2021. If they take him down, especially with a sledgehammer, it’s guaranteed they’re the ones that will end up with a hate crime felony or worse.

If they detain him then he could go in to cardiac arrest due to being a fat blob and the detainers could be charged with murder.

No thanks. The climate is not conducive to being a vigilante.

it's true and highly probable , it doesn't mean someone couldn't step in but it's all at everyone's risk , both in safety and lawfully . They got the guy so now the victim can sue and the law can do what it does . I hope I never find myself in that situation but one thing I learned and is stuck in my soul is the watching the bystanders in the Chauvin trial .. all those folks deeply regret not stepping in . We are trained a certain a way and I don't think I could live with that guilt of not helping even if it goes against everything we have been programmed with . I just hope I can think clearly if ever in such a situation .

Slightly OT but this is a super interesting video that looks in to the question of "would you intervene if you could"

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sl5KJ69qiA[/youtube]

At least those three guys didn't just record it and post it to social media. That lady might be dead if they didn't approach him.

I have never been in that situation, and while I'd like to hope that I would intervene, I'm not sure I would. Good samaritans get fucked over in these situations all the time, either in the moment or later by the law.

There was a thing that happened a while back where I got to see how I'd react in a real situation. Or at least in THAT situation.

We heard a loud noise coming from the front yard, looked out the window and there was a white camaro spun out in my yard. I walked out to see what was happening, just turf ruts, not damage to the house or anything. The car moved out of my yard and started slowly driving up the road.

As it got a couple houses away this dude runs out in the road and starts yelling at the driver of the camaro, opens the driver door, pulls her out & throws her to the ground and starts man kicking the fuck out of her in the chest and stomach.

I didn't even think... quickly said to the wife to call the police and started running toward them, yelling for him to stop. He looks up and says 'got a problem?" I said yeah motherfucker we got a problem! He snapped out of his rage before I got all the way to them and then they go to their house which was in eyesight of mine and they both start preparing for him to flee before the police got there.

The woman he was kicking the shit out of was his MOM

He took off, she denied it, the cops know them and knew she was lying but nothing they could do. Whatevs... that's none of of my business. Once the immediate threat to her was gone my involvement was no longer necessary. But yeah it kinda surprised me that I reacted that way because honestly I'm somewhat of a chickenshit... or was moreso then than now... or so I would think. Had the whole thing not involved my yard/property would I have reacted the same? No idea

mortatone wrote:There was a thing that happened a while back where I got to see how I'd react in a real situation. Or at least in THAT situation.

We heard a loud noise coming from the front yard, looked out the window and there was a white camaro spun out in my yard. I walked out to see what was happening, just turf ruts, not damage to the house or anything. The car moved out of my yard and started slowly driving up the road.

As it got a couple houses away this dude runs out in the road and starts yelling at the driver of the camaro, opens the driver door, pulls her out & throws her to the ground and starts man kicking the fuck out of her in the chest and stomach.

I didn't even think... quickly said to the wife to call the police and started running toward them, yelling for him to stop. He looks up and says 'got a problem?" I said yeah motherfucker we got a problem! He snapped out of his rage before I got all the way to them and then they go to their house which was in eyesight of mine and they both start preparing for him to flee before the police got there.

The woman he was kicking the shit out of was his MOM

He took off, she denied it, the cops know them and knew she was lying but nothing they could do. Whatevs... that's none of of my business. Once the immediate threat to her was gone my involvement was no longer necessary. But yeah it kinda surprised me that I reacted that way because honestly I'm somewhat of a chickenshit... or was moreso then than now... or so I would think. Had the whole thing not involved my yard/property would I have reacted the same? No idea

Jesus lol

Dave wrote:

ajaxlepinski wrote:At the end of the video, three men (one with a sledge hammer) walk up to the perp... and apparently let him go?!?!?!? WTF!?!?!
They could have destroyed that fuckwad!!!! They should have detained that guy, called the cops and held him until they showed up.

It’s 2021. If they take him down, especially with a sledgehammer, it’s guaranteed they’re the ones that will end up with a hate crime felony or worse.

If they detain him then he could go in to cardiac arrest due to being a fat blob and the detainers could be charged with murder.

No thanks. The climate is not conducive to being a vigilante.

I tend to agree but this case is pretty blatant. If this goes viral these guys might get called out for not intervening.

My only method of self defense doesn't have a detain option so I'm only using it if me or my immediate family are in immediate danger.

The story that Mort posted above of the trash Florida mom + son are exactly why I won't intervene on someone's behalf. If I go intervene, have the guy call my bluff, initiate sequence to stop the threat, and then find out he was beating his girlfriend/wife/whatever then she has a change of heart while he's bleeding out then the next thing I know she's suing me claiming they were only have a lover's quarrel and I'm getting a felony murder charge.

No thanks.

fwiw the scenario I described above happened a few years back in Texas. A dude was beating the living shit out of a woman in a mall parking lot. 3rd party intervened, the aggressor tried to attack the 3rd party, 3rd party used deadly force to stop the threat, and was later sued in to oblivion by the spouse in civil court.

I'm not jeopardizing my life, my career, etc for a stranger.

Well, you could look at Mort's story as a good reason as to why you shouldn't intervene.
I see it more as a reason not to go to Florida

GuitarBilly wrote:Well, you could look at Mort's story as a good reason as to why you shouldn't intervene.
I see it more as a reason not to go to Florida

True. America's dick is basically a big trailer park in the swamp. No thanks

K-Bizzle wrote:Scums like this is why we have jails and mental institutions.
While I don’t condone it you can understand what actually motivates crimes like robberies, car jackings, etc.
But this makes no sense whatever to me. Bullshit those guys just let this guy skate away, sure he’s big but he’ll be gassed in literally 10 seconds of struggle because he’s a fucking blob. This is why I think martial arts training is so important for the average good person.
I know countless women in my BJJ gym that could have literally taken this guy down and put him to sleep solo.
And again people over estimate size in a case like this. Dudes what 350 probably? You telling me those 3 guys combined aren’t more than that and have the advantage of literally 3 vs 1.

Glad he’s in custody at least.

This is the attitude that gets a Good Samaritan killed.

I’ve been practicing Krav Maga for a long time. One of the most repeated thing is situational awareness and using your head. Don’t get yourself into avoidable situations that you don’t know all the angles of.

If I saw him attacking someone I’d help get him off of the victim but I’m probably not going to try and detain him. I have zero idea if he’s armed or if there’s others in his ride. I know it’s easy to talk tough over the internet and all that but that is a situation that was neutralized. At that point I’d get a very good look at the guy for a police description and take down his license plate. I’m not risking my life for a situation where my life isn’t already at risk.

Yeah alot of the people in Florida suck. Would be nice to have more reasonable humans here.

Trash accumulates on beaches...

facefirst wrote:

K-Bizzle wrote:Scums like this is why we have jails and mental institutions.
While I don’t condone it you can understand what actually motivates crimes like robberies, car jackings, etc.
But this makes no sense whatever to me. Bullshit those guys just let this guy skate away, sure he’s big but he’ll be gassed in literally 10 seconds of struggle because he’s a fucking blob. This is why I think martial arts training is so important for the average good person.
I know countless women in my BJJ gym that could have literally taken this guy down and put him to sleep solo.
And again people over estimate size in a case like this. Dudes what 350 probably? You telling me those 3 guys combined aren’t more than that and have the advantage of literally 3 vs 1.

Glad he’s in custody at least.

This is the attitude that gets a Good Samaritan killed.

I’ve been practicing Krav Maga for a long time. One of the most repeated thing is situational awareness and using your head. Don’t get yourself into avoidable situations that you don’t know all the angles of.

If I saw him attacking someone I’d help get him off of the victim but I’m probably not going to try and detain him. I have zero idea if he’s armed or if there’s others in his ride. I know it’s easy to talk tough over the internet and all that but that is a situation that was neutralized. At that point I’d get a very good look at the guy for a police description and take down his license plate. I’m not risking my life for a situation where my life isn’t already at risk.

You're definitely not wrong about anything you said here.
I posted immediately after watching the video and having an emotional reaction to it.
No idea what that reaction would be in person either way to be honest.

In this situation you'd have ended up shot by the guy's buddy/some rando that didn't see the whole exchange or charged with murder for detaining a gassed blob and accidentally killing him due to his poor health.

That's what happens when you get emotional and try to be the vigilante.

so lets shift the focus to "law enforcement " It's their job to protect people , it's their job to keep uninsured motor vehicles off our streets and it's their job to be patrolling known hot spots , i.e. gas stations .. and they have a responsibility and in fact are paid to do so by the peoples . I know in some states you can get the state to cover an accident bill if hit by a uninsured and they then go after the perp . The same should be allowed in a situation like this . It's not a bystanders job to throw themselves into the fray .

Look at Chauvin. He's currently prepping for a second criminal case over his handling of a 2017 incident. In 2017 he responded to an emergency call from a mother getting the shit beat out of her by her teenage son. He shows up, detains the kid from continuing to assault the mom that called the police, and now she has a change of heart because she's no longer in the heat of the moment getting the shit beat out of her. Now mom and son allege police brutality.

Society continues to negatively reinforce vigilantism. All risk, and no reward.

It's easy to armchair qb a situation like the above because it stirs up emotion watching a seemingly defenseless woman getting attacked for no reason. In the alternate reality where a cop shows up to detain this guy, he dies from being a gassed blob, it's just as easy to feign outrage over police brutality if it turns out the "victim" was his girlfriend/wife/lover and has a change of heart over the situation. She goes to the media saying he was such a good guy and a simple lover's quarrel wasn't a reason to "murder" him.


These are the consequences of the path we're on.

edit: as much as it sucks for that woman, she will recover, the blob didn't die and will face his day in court, and no one's life was ended for trying to play hero. Based on similar situations this is the only acceptable outcome.

Idk.. I don’t have all this junk in my head that tells me I’m gonna be shit all over for trying to help someone in immediate danger. I’ll just go about my business and let my instincts do the shot calling.