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EndTime wrote:

atrox wrote:

clipless bumper wrote:

atrox wrote:

EndTime wrote:.........But the idea that time, to us, would appear to stop even tho that object crossed over.. I’m still trying to fully comprehend why humans could never observe that and how time essentially stops from our view

That always has me guessing. So theoretically, if something crosses the event horizon, someone witnessing it from the outside would see that certain something just stop... frozen forever. Like a sticker slapped on the event horizon.............it would seem like an eternity to the "thing" being sucked in before it actually got sucked it. Time would slow to an almost halt for that "thing" before the atoms spaghettified, but we'd see, from a safe vantage point... as described above.........

I thought I understood the bolded part - that in the frame of reference of the object being sucked in - time would stretch to infinity, essentially stopping time for that object.

But I would think that from our frame of reference - we would seen the object, with would then 'dissolve' (for lack of a better word) into a emission of radiation, which, once the object was 'completely gone - sucked in' that radiation would stop, and we would see nothing from that object for the rest of eternity.

can you elaborate on the 'sticker' concept?

I wish i could find the explanation for that. I saw it and it made sense, but as time went by i forgot a lot of it. The observer, would not see anything being sucked in. They would see what would appear to be a frozen object stuck just above the event horizon. I honestly do not remember the why and how's of it all, but it definitely has something to do with space/time, light, yadda yadda. Shit... it was just on a recent show on Science Channel. One of the shows that just ended it's season like 2 weeks ago. Mike Rowe was narrator

It more or less boils down to everything beyond the event horizon is an unknown. The math and formulas all break down at that point. They do predict an infinite dense point, but they can’t go beyond that because all known laws of physics break down. Even Einstein never fully embraced Black holes.

Which I guess is the explanation of why we CANT ever see sumthin fall in because as our math predicts space time stops. So perhaps the explanation is simply we can’t see it because we don’t understand what happens after a hole in space time gets punched by the black hole. I guess I was thinking there is a more grand reason but it appears we can’t see it happen, because all our understanding, all our formulas and calculations STOP at that point

EndTime wrote:That is why it’s assumed the object just continues right on down the black hole because we do detect gravity.

A part of what you are seeing is super heated gas that hasn’t yet fallen into a black hole.

Another concept is the “radiation” you see is in fact the “information” of that matter. They theorize it’s almost like hair on your arm but is surrounding the black hole. So even tho the matter has been sucked in the information remains.. crazy stuff

clipless bumper wrote:I was a physics major - but it was in the early eighties - so might as well have been the dark ages - didn't quite get a 4 year degree.......

CrunchBerries wrote:Who here has a Phys BSc/MA/PhD ?

EndTime wrote:Brian, where did you see they also took a pic of Sag A star? I just read an article explaining why we would never be able to. And yes, it was written after the black hole pic was unveiled!
For all the reasons we kinda mentioned. It’s simply impossible from our vantage point in the Milky Way

atrox wrote:

EndTime wrote:Brian, where did you see they also took a pic of Sag A star? I just read an article explaining why we would never be able to. And yes, it was written after the black hole pic was unveiled!
For all the reasons we kinda mentioned. It’s simply impossible from our vantage point in the Milky Way

This is confusing. I watched the actual announcement yesterday and they did state that they are imaging it, but it's harder to image and it's not ready to be released yet. They didn't explain how.

Prelude670 wrote:

atrox wrote:

EndTime wrote:Brian, where did you see they also took a pic of Sag A star? I just read an article explaining why we would never be able to. And yes, it was written after the black hole pic was unveiled!
For all the reasons we kinda mentioned. It’s simply impossible from our vantage point in the Milky Way

This is confusing. I watched the actual announcement yesterday and they did state that they are imaging it, but it's harder to image and it's not ready to be released yet. They didn't explain how.

Also, i watched this. I time stamped this too to play right where he mentions it. Uggg YouTube changed their timestamped links. Go to 3:52

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_GVbuddri8[/youtube]

G-Zod wrote:So it's sorta like a black hole....sun?

atrox wrote:

G-Zod wrote:So it's sorta like a black hole....sun?

No. There is only one Sun. Proper Latin name is Sol (Hence our "Solar" system and just to be extra nerdy, but people often get confused... our star system is the only "Solar" system in the universe. The rest are generically star systems).

Anyway... Our Solar system has the only "Sun" and it's not large enough to ever collapse into a black hole.

Soooo... No.

G-Zod wrote:

atrox wrote:

G-Zod wrote:So it's sorta like a black hole....sun?

No. There is only one Sun. Proper Latin name is Sol (Hence our "Solar" system and just to be extra nerdy, but people often get confused... our star system is the only "Solar" system in the universe. The rest are generically star systems).

Anyway... Our Solar system has the only "Sun" and it's not large enough to ever collapse into a black hole.

Soooo... No.

OMG!!! WUT?!?

Seems kinda elitist to me, like our star, err I mean sun is more that special than other suns, err stars??

Pepi wrote:Is this a real photo of a black hole or was it created with data and a algorithm software program