need some good vocal plug-ins

[Ruiner]

I've spent hours researching recording vocal techniques, plug-ins, preamps, mics, etc.

The most incredible plug in I found was the Revoice 3 (vocalign pro 4 or vocalign project are slightly cheaper versions but still pricey). So yeah, expensive but they're incredible. I'm definitely getting the Revoice. You can match up double vocal takes with precision, match up vocal harmony timing, you can fix pitch by matching tracks together while still leaving a variance for a not too polished vibe, you can create instant double tracks for vocals or guitar. It's amazing. Melodyne is another one that's extremely popular.

[nightflameauto]

I've spent hours researching recording vocal techniques, plug-ins, preamps, mics, etc.

The most incredible plug in I found was the Revoice 3 (vocalign pro 4 or vocalign project are slightly cheaper versions but still pricey). So yeah, expensive but they're incredible. I'm definitely getting the Revoice. You can match up double vocal takes with precision, match up vocal harmony timing, you can fix pitch by matching tracks together while still leaving a variance for a not too polished vibe, you can create instant double tracks for vocals or guitar. It's amazing. Melodyne is another one that's extremely popular.

That type of thing just annoys the shit out of me. Even with the limited time I have available to work on music I'd rather just keep redoing takes until I get it right than use a plugin to "fix" shitty takes.

And doubling via plugin? FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Play it/sing it again and STFU.



If my lame, broken vocal chorded ass can double vocs without sounding like cracked shit, anybody can do it.

[Ostinato Rubato]

I've spent hours researching recording vocal techniques, plug-ins, preamps, mics, etc.

The most incredible plug in I found was the Revoice 3 (vocalign pro 4 or vocalign project are slightly cheaper versions but still pricey). So yeah, expensive but they're incredible. I'm definitely getting the Revoice. You can match up double vocal takes with precision, match up vocal harmony timing, you can fix pitch by matching tracks together while still leaving a variance for a not too polished vibe, you can create instant double tracks for vocals or guitar. It's amazing. Melodyne is another one that's extremely popular.

That type of thing just annoys the shit out of me. Even with the limited time I have available to work on music I'd rather just keep redoing takes until I get it right than use a plugin to "fix" shitty takes.

And doubling via plugin? FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Play it/sing it again and STFU.



If my lame, broken vocal chorded ass can double vocs without sounding like cracked shit, anybody can do it.

yeah honestly as awesome as that sounds that's not something I'd want for myself personally. I would much rather learn the skill of singing rock solid takes multiple times on any given day. It's definitely a cool tool and reading the description I was like "fuuuuu imagine....." but at the end of the day, I want to become a professional level singer/performer eventually. Using tools like that won't help.

[Ruiner]

I've spent hours researching recording vocal techniques, plug-ins, preamps, mics, etc.

The most incredible plug in I found was the Revoice 3 (vocalign pro 4 or vocalign project are slightly cheaper versions but still pricey). So yeah, expensive but they're incredible. I'm definitely getting the Revoice. You can match up double vocal takes with precision, match up vocal harmony timing, you can fix pitch by matching tracks together while still leaving a variance for a not too polished vibe, you can create instant double tracks for vocals or guitar. It's amazing. Melodyne is another one that's extremely popular.

That type of thing just annoys the shit out of me. Even with the limited time I have available to work on music I'd rather just keep redoing takes until I get it right than use a plugin to "fix" shitty takes.

And doubling via plugin? FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Play it/sing it again and STFU.



If my lame, broken vocal chorded ass can double vocs without sounding like cracked shit, anybody can do it.

yeah honestly as awesome as that sounds that's not something I'd want for myself personally. I would much rather learn the skill of singing rock solid takes multiple times on any given day. It's definitely a cool tool and reading the description I was like "fuuuuu imagine....." but at the end of the day, I want to become a professional level singer/performer eventually. Using tools like that won't help.

That's the thing though, a large majority of professional studios that have professional singers use this and/or Melodyne for correcting time, machine doubles and pitch correcting. Every engineer does this to some extent on every mix but many do it manually which is very time consuming. They don't just do this to the entire track but say one part the harmony starts a millisecond late and also is held out to long... A few clicks and the timing matches up perfectly and it cuts the tail down to match. Let's say you have a killer take but one bad note on your double track... A couple clicks and it's fixed. Sure you can punch in till you get it right and should if it's way off but there's tons of instances this would be a preferable method professional grade or not.

[nightflameauto]

That's the thing though, a large majority of professional studios that have professional singers use this and/or Melodyne for correcting time, machine doubles and pitch correcting. Every engineer does this to some extent on every mix but many do it manually which is very time consuming. They don't just do this to the entire track but say one part the harmony starts a millisecond late and also is held out to long... A few clicks and the timing matches up perfectly and it cuts the tail down to match. Let's say you have a killer take but one bad note on your double track... A couple clicks and it's fixed. Sure you can punch in till you get it right and should if it's way off but there's tons of instances this would be a preferable method professional grade or not.

Let me combine gearslutz and GAB for a moment:
No.

On a more serious note,
I get that there's *minor* tweaks of this nature done on a lot of professional mixes. The problem is people see this shit as a crutch. Engineers talk about people coming in, doing one so-so take and then telling them to fix it in the mix. When asked to double a vocal, people tell them to just click the buttons until it sounds doubled.

And there are those that just flat out refuse to use these types of tools. Even at the pro level.

It's great that there are tools like this available, but god damn has shit gotten watered down. We've sucked the humanity out of so much music with this type of thing. I like polished, but not polished to perfection. Drives me batty.

[Ruiner]

That's the thing though, a large majority of professional studios that have professional singers use this and/or Melodyne for correcting time, machine doubles and pitch correcting. Every engineer does this to some extent on every mix but many do it manually which is very time consuming. They don't just do this to the entire track but say one part the harmony starts a millisecond late and also is held out to long... A few clicks and the timing matches up perfectly and it cuts the tail down to match. Let's say you have a killer take but one bad note on your double track... A couple clicks and it's fixed. Sure you can punch in till you get it right and should if it's way off but there's tons of instances this would be a preferable method professional grade or not.

Let me combine gearslutz and GAB for a moment:
No.

On a more serious note,
I get that there's *minor* tweaks of this nature done on a lot of professional mixes. The problem is people see this shit as a crutch. Engineers talk about people coming in, doing one so-so take and then telling them to fix it in the mix. When asked to double a vocal, people tell them to just click the buttons until it sounds doubled.

And there are those that just flat out refuse to use these types of tools. Even at the pro level.

It's great that there are tools like this available, but god damn has shit gotten watered down. We've sucked the humanity out of so much music with this type of thing. I like polished, but not polished to perfection. Drives me batty.

I agree that's a shitty way to think or work. I won't be using it in that way and I'm sure many that use it don't as well. I hate super perfection but that's one of the features I mentioned that's great on here is you can "humanize" it by a percentage to make it sound natural but still correct it. This is a time saver, period. That's why the pros use it and that's one of the reasons I want it. If I do a great take and there's one part that doesn't match right on the double track and then one other part that has a slight pitch variation then I can do two things. 1) redo the track. Great, I did that 10 times to get this take I love. 2) I can live with it..... and notice it every time I play that song for the rest of my life. Alternatively I can use this plug-in, fix those two issues and move onto the next song.

[Ostinato Rubato]

That's the thing though, a large majority of professional studios that have professional singers use this and/or Melodyne for correcting time, machine doubles and pitch correcting. Every engineer does this to some extent on every mix but many do it manually which is very time consuming. They don't just do this to the entire track but say one part the harmony starts a millisecond late and also is held out to long... A few clicks and the timing matches up perfectly and it cuts the tail down to match. Let's say you have a killer take but one bad note on your double track... A couple clicks and it's fixed. Sure you can punch in till you get it right and should if it's way off but there's tons of instances this would be a preferable method professional grade or not.

Let me combine gearslutz and GAB for a moment:
No.

On a more serious note,
I get that there's *minor* tweaks of this nature done on a lot of professional mixes. The problem is people see this shit as a crutch. Engineers talk about people coming in, doing one so-so take and then telling them to fix it in the mix. When asked to double a vocal, people tell them to just click the buttons until it sounds doubled.

And there are those that just flat out refuse to use these types of tools. Even at the pro level.

It's great that there are tools like this available, but god damn has shit gotten watered down. We've sucked the humanity out of so much music with this type of thing. I like polished, but not polished to perfection. Drives me batty.

This. It's an amazing tool, no doubt. But the overly polished to perfection way of doing this needs to stop. Absolutely everything sounds like it has a high gloss plastic sheen to it these days and it drives me bonkers.

And this tool will ABSOLUTELY be something that talentless hacks use to the point that they never have to get any better. Amazing, for sure, but will be used for evil.

[Ruiner]

I agree, see my post above. I don't care how others are going to use it. I care about how I'm going to use it. My favorite singers are out of pitch and time often and I love that about it. My recordings will be the same. Anything that can cut down on my time mixing or doing multiple takes for one mistake I'm all down for.

[nightflameauto]

I agree that's a shitty way to think or work. I won't be using it in that way and I'm sure many that use it don't as well. I hate super perfection but that's one of the features I mentioned that's great on here is you can "humanize" it by a percentage to make it sound natural but still correct it. This is a time saver, period. That's why the pros use it and that's one of the reasons I want it. If I do a great take and there's one part that doesn't match right on the double track and then one other part that has a slight pitch variation then I can do two things. 1) redo the track. Great, I did that 10 times to get this take I love. 2) I can live with it..... and notice it every time I play that song for the rest of my life. Alternatively I can use this plug-in, fix those two issues and move onto the next song.

I ain't judging you for wanting it. Just one of those pet peeves I've developed over the years reinforced by tons of stories of engineers who vowed to never use these tools in this way being forced to in order to correct a n00b idiot that thought everything was fixed in the mix, and nothing was about the performance.

[Ruiner]

I agree that's a shitty way to think or work. I won't be using it in that way and I'm sure many that use it don't as well. I hate super perfection but that's one of the features I mentioned that's great on here is you can "humanize" it by a percentage to make it sound natural but still correct it. This is a time saver, period. That's why the pros use it and that's one of the reasons I want it. If I do a great take and there's one part that doesn't match right on the double track and then one other part that has a slight pitch variation then I can do two things. 1) redo the track. Great, I did that 10 times to get this take I love. 2) I can live with it..... and notice it every time I play that song for the rest of my life. Alternatively I can use this plug-in, fix those two issues and move onto the next song.

I ain't judging you for wanting it. Just one of those pet peeves I've developed over the years reinforced by tons of stories of engineers who vowed to never use these tools in this way being forced to in order to correct a n00b idiot that thought everything was fixed in the mix, and nothing was about the performance.

I feel you. I'm going to write you a haiku so we can move on.


I'm right, you're wrong
Eat a dick
And let's move on



Some might call that a poem. That's alright, I have a plugin that will convert it if I made a mistake.

[Ostinato Rubato]

I agree that's a shitty way to think or work. I won't be using it in that way and I'm sure many that use it don't as well. I hate super perfection but that's one of the features I mentioned that's great on here is you can "humanize" it by a percentage to make it sound natural but still correct it. This is a time saver, period. That's why the pros use it and that's one of the reasons I want it. If I do a great take and there's one part that doesn't match right on the double track and then one other part that has a slight pitch variation then I can do two things. 1) redo the track. Great, I did that 10 times to get this take I love. 2) I can live with it..... and notice it every time I play that song for the rest of my life. Alternatively I can use this plug-in, fix those two issues and move onto the next song.

I ain't judging you for wanting it. Just one of those pet peeves I've developed over the years reinforced by tons of stories of engineers who vowed to never use these tools in this way being forced to in order to correct a n00b idiot that thought everything was fixed in the mix, and nothing was about the performance.

I feel you. I'm going to write you a haiku so we can move on.


I'm right, you're wrong
Eat a dick
And let's move on



Some might call that a poem. That's alright, I have a plugin that will convert it if I made a mistake.

your haiku is gay
your vocal plugin sucks balls
get some talent noob

[Ruiner]

Stick to rap battles.

[nightflameauto]

[Ostinato Rubato]

Stick to rap battles.

Stick to not actually playing guitar, or singing.

[Ruiner]

Stick to rap battles.

Stick to not actually playing guitar, or singing.

Stick to flamenco dancing in your red bandana before picking your kids up from the corner of Home Depot every evening

[nightflameauto]

Oh the brutality.

We must all be feeling a little pent-up today.

[Ostinato Rubato]

Stick to rap battles.

Stick to not actually playing guitar, or singing.

Stick to flamenco dancing in your red bandana before picking your kids up from the corner of Home Depot every evening

Salsa. SALSA!

fedora! FEDORA!!!

osh. OSH!!!!

[Ruiner]

Oh the brutality.

We must all be feeling a little pent-up today.

I'm just here for shits and giggles while I wait an hour for my car to get detailed sitting outside in 75 degree sunny weather loving life.. Killing time is all. Though Mike's put downs aren't funny today so it makes me think he's serious? If so, my bad Modesto. Just killing time and busting balls like we always do.

[Ostinato Rubato]

Oh the brutality.

We must all be feeling a little pent-up today.

I'm just here for shits and giggles while I wait an hour for my car to get detailed sitting outside in 75 degree sunny weather loving life.. Killing time is all. Though Mike's put downs aren't funny today so it makes me think he's serious? If so, my bad Modesto. Just killing time and busting balls like we always do.

quit being gay and shit with thoughts of seriousness, you're throwing off my groove.

[nightflameauto]

Oh the brutality.

We must all be feeling a little pent-up today.

I'm just here for shits and giggles while I wait an hour for my car to get detailed sitting outside in 75 degree sunny weather loving life..

*LOOKS AT SNOW*
*LOOKS AT THERMOMETER*

FUCK YOU.

Though Mike's put downs aren't funny.

You don't say?

[Ruiner]

Oh the brutality.

We must all be feeling a little pent-up today.

I'm just here for shits and giggles while I wait an hour for my car to get detailed sitting outside in 75 degree sunny weather loving life.. Killing time is all. Though Mike's put downs aren't funny today so it makes me think he's serious? If so, my bad Modesto. Just killing time and busting balls like we always do.

quit being gay and shit with thoughts of seriousness, you're throwing off my groove.

Everything does according to your flamenco instructor

[Ostinato Rubato]

Oh the brutality.

We must all be feeling a little pent-up today.

I'm just here for shits and giggles while I wait an hour for my car to get detailed sitting outside in 75 degree sunny weather loving life.. Killing time is all. Though Mike's put downs aren't funny today so it makes me think he's serious? If so, my bad Modesto. Just killing time and busting balls like we always do.

quit being gay and shit with thoughts of seriousness, you're throwing off my groove.

Everything does according to your flamenco instructor

It's Salsa first and then we plan to move to Argentine Tango. Flamenco is kinda gay....

After that I think we're done. Probably get some basic Rumba in there while we're at it but that should be easy to mix in with the Salsa. I like dancing with my wife. It's fun. Plus she's sexy af especially when she dances.

['63-Strat]

I agree that's a shitty way to think or work. I won't be using it in that way and I'm sure many that use it don't as well. I hate super perfection but that's one of the features I mentioned that's great on here is you can "humanize" it by a percentage to make it sound natural but still correct it. This is a time saver, period. That's why the pros use it and that's one of the reasons I want it. If I do a great take and there's one part that doesn't match right on the double track and then one other part that has a slight pitch variation then I can do two things. 1) redo the track. Great, I did that 10 times to get this take I love. 2) I can live with it..... and notice it every time I play that song for the rest of my life. Alternatively I can use this plug-in, fix those two issues and move onto the next song.

I ain't judging you for wanting it. Just one of those pet peeves I've developed over the years reinforced by tons of stories of engineers who vowed to never use these tools in this way being forced to in order to correct a n00b idiot that thought everything was fixed in the mix, and nothing was about the performance.

I feel you. I'm going to write you a haiku so we can move on.


I'm right, you're wrong
Eat a dick
And let's move on



Some might call that a poem. That's alright, I have a plugin that will convert it if I made a mistake.

So not a haiku
It's five seven five you noob
Stick to buying gear

[Ruiner]

I agree that's a shitty way to think or work. I won't be using it in that way and I'm sure many that use it don't as well. I hate super perfection but that's one of the features I mentioned that's great on here is you can "humanize" it by a percentage to make it sound natural but still correct it. This is a time saver, period. That's why the pros use it and that's one of the reasons I want it. If I do a great take and there's one part that doesn't match right on the double track and then one other part that has a slight pitch variation then I can do two things. 1) redo the track. Great, I did that 10 times to get this take I love. 2) I can live with it..... and notice it every time I play that song for the rest of my life. Alternatively I can use this plug-in, fix those two issues and move onto the next song.

I ain't judging you for wanting it. Just one of those pet peeves I've developed over the years reinforced by tons of stories of engineers who vowed to never use these tools in this way being forced to in order to correct a n00b idiot that thought everything was fixed in the mix, and nothing was about the performance.

I feel you. I'm going to write you a haiku so we can move on.


I'm right, you're wrong
Eat a dick
And let's move on



Some might call that a poem. That's alright, I have a plugin that will convert it if I made a mistake.

So not a haiku
It's five seven five you noob
Stick to buying gear

"Some might call that a poem. That's alright, I have a plugin that will convert it if I made a mistake."

stick to punching in your guitar tracks since you can't get punch lines.

['63-Strat]

Of course I got it
But It wasn't funny, noob
Hence the haiku choice