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JerEvil wrote:So here's a funny thing... Since getting the 1x12 w/K-100, the cleans are pretty great on the Custom 22 but the OD sounds are more "meh". Not a biggie as I want to use it as a pedal platform.


Hi guys !

I'm a new Jet City Custom 22 owner. I warn you : I am not a native speaker. So I apologize in advance for my crappy english.

JerEvil, maybe this will help you with improving the clean sound : I have swapped the V1 chinese 12AX7 with a sovtek 12AU7. With the 12AU7, the crunch channel now has a much nicer break up, and cleans up way better upon lowering the volume knob on the guitar or the gain knob on the amp. Luckily, the overdrive channel has so much gain on tap that putting a 12AU7 in V1 does not tame it that much.
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Hi guys,

I am happy with my Custom 22, but I think the crunch channel suffers from sounding too dark and muffled, while the overdrive channel frequencies are well balanced. With the shared EQ, it is almost impossible to dial in a good sound on both channels. Moreover, the bright switch on the crunch channel does not completely solve this problem in my opinion : basically it just boosts the high frequencies but does not bring up the medium that well. So, with the bright switch on, I get a muffled sound with some sparkle on the high strings... Not what I am looking for.

I know you are not that familiar with the Custom 22 yet, but do you have any mod suggestion to fix this ? Any easy mod I could perform in order to correct the frequency spectrum of the crunch channel, without affecting the tone of the overdrive channel ?

Cheers !
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P.S : I've read almost the entire thread, which was very helpful :thu: . I have already changed the power tubes, set the bias and I am about to order new preamp tubes to replace the cheap chinese stock tubes.
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The new Amelia amp just hit presale at Musicians Friend for $499:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifie ... ifier-head
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From my post in the other thread...

$499 seems like a killer price for this amp! I'm most interested to hear how it compares to your Earhart, Sahl :thu:

This thing really looks awesome. EQ for each channel, and I wonder what's with the dual masters for Ch 2? One for regular, one for lead (louder)?

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As soon as I get my DSL sold I'm putting down for the Amelia. :D
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FreakyRom wrote:Hi guys,

I am happy with my Custom 22, but I think the crunch channel suffers from sounding too dark and muffled, while the overdrive channel frequencies are well balanced. With the shared EQ, it is almost impossible to dial in a good sound on both channels. Moreover, the bright switch on the crunch channel does not completely solve this problem in my opinion : basically it just boosts the high frequencies but does not bring up the medium that well. So, with the bright switch on, I get a muffled sound with some sparkle on the high strings... Not what I am looking for.

I know you are not that familiar with the Custom 22 yet, but do you have any mod suggestion to fix this ? Any easy mod I could perform in order to correct the frequency spectrum of the crunch channel, without affecting the tone of the overdrive channel ?

Cheers !
Rom

P.S : I've read almost the entire thread, which was very helpful :thu: . I have already changed the power tubes, set the bias and I am about to order new preamp tubes to replace the cheap chinese stock tubes.


At .001 the bright should have some action in the high mids too ..You could try to double it at .OO2 but before that try a .001 at C7 ..
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sahlomonic wrote:The new Amelia amp just hit presale at Musicians Friend for $499:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifie ... ifier-head


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GRIMESPACE wrote:From my post in the other thread...

$499 seems like a killer price for this amp! I'm most interested to hear how it compares to your Earhart, Sahl :thu:

This thing really looks awesome. EQ for each channel, and I wonder what's with the dual masters for Ch 2? One for regular, one for lead (louder)?



I doubt it is for ch2 only .that is basically two masters thus two different switchable volumes for the whole amp..whatever the channel used... You can find this feature on a lot of amps especially most ENGL's
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BRUNO wrote:
FreakyRom wrote:Hi guys,

I am happy with my Custom 22, but I think the crunch channel suffers from sounding too dark and muffled, while the overdrive channel frequencies are well balanced. With the shared EQ, it is almost impossible to dial in a good sound on both channels. Moreover, the bright switch on the crunch channel does not completely solve this problem in my opinion : basically it just boosts the high frequencies but does not bring up the medium that well. So, with the bright switch on, I get a muffled sound with some sparkle on the high strings... Not what I am looking for.

I know you are not that familiar with the Custom 22 yet, but do you have any mod suggestion to fix this ? Any easy mod I could perform in order to correct the frequency spectrum of the crunch channel, without affecting the tone of the overdrive channel ?

Cheers !
Rom

P.S : I've read almost the entire thread, which was very helpful :thu: . I have already changed the power tubes, set the bias and I am about to order new preamp tubes to replace the cheap chinese stock tubes.


At .001 the bright should have some action in the high mids too ..You could try to double it at .OO2 but before that try a .001 at C7 ..



Thanks BRUNO ! I will try this and let you know how it works.
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Ok Bros. I am gonna get one of these beasts soon. :)

My problem is: Should I get the Custom 22H, or the standard 22H?
Right now, my main amp is an Orange Dual Terror. And from what I have read, and seen in the videos, this will be a badass amp. Just dont know which way to go...
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Hi people! I'm new here. I bought jca50h last year, thanks to this forum mostly. After reading it 10 times, more or less :)
Did the depth mod, swapped PA tubes for JJ's and I have JJecc83mg in V1 and ecc83s in V2. This 83mg is interesting, mg goes for medium gain so it's somewhere between 803s and 83s. Crunch channel is definitely more clean than before, however I'm not too happy with what it did to OD channel, since I play a lot of high gain stuff, I think 83s would suit me better in V1 position. And maybe I can get more cleans with clean/crunch mod. I'm using GT10 in the loop so there will be no problems with levels. Does clean mod really make crunch channel more fenderish? I mean more meaty, more deep and fat... ?
And I still have to decide what to use in PI slot. Many of you like Sovtek LPS there, I will surely try it. But at the moment I'm thinking about 83mg there. Has anyone tried it there? Somewhere in this forum, user Jay noted that 803s operates very well as PI tube. 83mg is not far away from 803s, so... ?

P.S. I'm not native English speaker, sorry for any mistakes...
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Hiya - :welcome:

I'm still not sold on the clean/crunch mod. The volume drop of the clean makes it unusable if desire is to be able to switch between clean & crunch without having to adjust the master volume. The clean is good, but doesn't take OD/gain pedals real well - I haven't found a gain pedal yet that pushes it to anything other than pure shit.
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You mean volume drop is noticeable only on clean side? Crunch side remains the same?

GRIMESPACE wrote: The clean is good, but doesn't take OD/gain pedals real well - I haven't found a gain pedal yet that pushes it to anything other than pure shit.


Too bad. I'm usually playing combinations clean/OD or crunch/OD but in some cases I must go all three ways clean/crunch/OD. With 50h it's possible only by boosting clean to crunch. But if it doesn't work with clean mod then it's not for me. Changing manually clean to crunch then volume, all of that during play... impossible. I'm already a sort of tapdancer and stagewalker but I'm certainly not a Jedi :wank:
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Of course, the other option would be to use the clean switch on the lo-gain channel, crank gain way down on the OD channel (for crunch), then boost that for higher / high gain :hmm:
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Yep. That's another solution. But what makes me a headache is one schizophrenic song my band plays where I'm constantly changing clean to OD and back then OD to crunch and back. Like quick explosive changes so I have no time to tap 2 pedals in the same time, like booster and channel at once. I have only 2 legs and my monkey is not long enough to reach the floor. :hmm:

For 25 years my gear setup was very simple: crybaby - boss rod10 (od/dist/fuzz mini rack from the 80's) – MKIIb. Eventually some delay or chorus. Then 2 years ago things became much more complicated with my latest band – instead of building huge expensive pedal board I bought GT10 and jca50h because of its serial loop and good price. Last year and until recently I was using GT10 in 4cm so performing schizo-song described above was not a problem.

But all these units like GT-8, 10, 100 or Line6 etc... are tone suckers whenever they mess with the input signal. I've spent a lot of time tweaking levels and never got any really good result. Not only tonal characteristics of the signal were eaten, it was squashed dynamically too. The worst thing of all was some weird feeling that there were some dead plastic or wooden strings under my fingers and not the steel ones. A few times on live gigs I caught myself thinking: is this sitar I'm playing? Nylon string guitar? People were saying: you have nice rocking sound, but my fingers had very bad experience. And there were no bump, oomph and woof from the speakers. Recommendation to anyone: don't even try to use these units in 4cm! There is no way that zeroes and ones can translate and lead any healthy signal into the amp input. Now I'm using GT10 only in the loop for time based effects with very good results. Bump, woof and ooomph got back, jca roars again. There is still some tiny tonal sucking from GT but resolved easily with EQ. Signal leaving preamp is already compressed but in the healthy manner and GT in the loop doesn't kill it anymore.

Well, back to my new problem. And yours Grimes as I can see 
Maybe there is one solution. Not common one but... OD/gain pedal in the loop! That's in your case – one that can deal with +4dB line level, GT simulation of the same in my case. Not the one that acts like level booster, but rather one that acts like next gain stage after preamp gain stages!

I'm thinking like this: Mike Soldano is not a dumb, he designed hotrod50+ and now jca50h to be crunch/OD factory, it's not provided to produce nice cleans. This clean mod helps, I haven't heard it yet, you say clean becomes good and I believe you. But if it doesn't take gain pedal in front of the amp that means that this mod changes something not only with 1st gain stage but also with freq/dynamic relations of the input signal. So if you try to push it with something in front which is common and normal way to do, it destroys freq/dynamic continuity throughout overall frequency span. And it sounds like shit. But what if you add another gain layer after the preamp? That way what clean mod made stays preserved and you just upgrade gain stages further on.
I've never tried it but I guess any OD pedal will act completely differently in the loop and can easily end in buzz, fiss or fuzz. It shouldn't be any kind of high gain stompbox. More something like lo-gain, just to give a hair of more gain, with gain knob rolled off and volume knob set to preserve line level of the loop, not to make it any louder, you don't want too much of signal attack coming to PA tubes. You don't want your hard working PI tube to perform in constant state of break up.
So, something that will just cut slightly tops of phase amplitudes of the preamp signal to distort more.
Maybe OD pedals shouldn't have any problem with line level of the loop, like many other instrumental level effects do.

What do you think? You already have clean mod, maybe you can check it with what you already have. The only problem you could have is if your OD pedal doesn't have its own EQ. My old rod10 has but I don't have clean mod so I cannot check it. So you will need OD plus EQ in the loop just for a trial. If it works you can replace it with some OD/EQ unit.

If it works clean mod won't stop us to have 3 channel amp!

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:blah:
That was not good idea. Whatever sits in serial fx loop becomes owner of the preamp signal. Overdrive is level booster. Distortion is meh by definition.
Put something with good EQ in front
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Hey! :)

My JCA100HDM just arrived on monday, and my original idea was to buy some multieffects stuff with 4 cable method-option for it. Tomorrow I will be able to test it with my friend's GT8, but I need to buy something for myself. Somebody posted that Digitech RP1000 works fine with it, can someone confirm that it really works with OD channel? And now I just found a Line6 M13 for sale, which is not much more expensive than the RP1000. But I can see only the M9 in the list. Other Line6 options? HD500 (without the X) or X3 Live? Unfortonately both Artec and Joyo delays killed the tone in FX Loop when OD was on.
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diablogato22 wrote:Ok Bros. I am gonna get one of these beasts soon. :)

My problem is: Should I get the Custom 22H, or the standard 22H?
Right now, my main amp is an Orange Dual Terror. And from what I have read, and seen in the videos, this will be a badass amp. Just dont know which way to go...

I will likely be selling my Custom 22H in the very near future...
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quervo wrote:Hey! :)

My JCA100HDM just arrived on monday, and my original idea was to buy some multieffects stuff with 4 cable method-option for it. Tomorrow I will be able to test it with my friend's GT8, but I need to buy something for myself. Somebody posted that Digitech RP1000 works fine with it, can someone confirm that it really works with OD channel? And now I just found a Line6 M13 for sale, which is not much more expensive than the RP1000. But I can see only the M9 in the list. Other Line6 options? HD500 (without the X) or X3 Live? Unfortonately both Artec and Joyo delays killed the tone in FX Loop when OD was on.

Only option I've tried is my L6 HD500X in 4CM, for a few minutes, and it seemed fine.

Haven't spent much time with my JCA50H in the last 2 years, because I've moved on to Marshall and Boogie.
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quervo wrote:Hey! :)

My JCA100HDM just arrived on monday, and my original idea was to buy some multieffects stuff with 4 cable method-option for it. Tomorrow I will be able to test it with my friend's GT8, but I need to buy something for myself. Somebody posted that Digitech RP1000 works fine with it, can someone confirm that it really works with OD channel? And now I just found a Line6 M13 for sale, which is not much more expensive than the RP1000. But I can see only the M9 in the list. Other Line6 options? HD500 (without the X) or X3 Live? Unfortonately both Artec and Joyo delays killed the tone in FX Loop when OD was on.

I've been using an RP500 for a long time with the jca50, but I've never even tried it in the effects loop. My only real comment is get digitech instead of line 6. I've had both and in my opinion, the digitech is the only multi-pedal I've ever used that didn't change my natural tone. Plus I have the same volume plugged straight into the amp as I do going through the RP500 first.
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slope at 56K or even 66K + depthmod:
cranck the gain up and you are into US deathmetal tones
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My friend has a JCA2112RC that has been acting up pretty much since he has owned it (2011ish). Knowing the tubes were good in my JCA22H, I brought that over and swapped everything into his amp to find there were still issues. If the amp keeps wanting to cut out while playing and the gain sounds fizzy, what would be the next thing you would check on it? I figure I might as well check everything before resorting to take it over to Detroit Amp Lab to get it fixed.
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TrueBlueAutoX wrote:My friend has a JCA2112RC that has been acting up pretty much since he has owned it (2011ish). Knowing the tubes were good in my JCA22H, I brought that over and swapped everything into his amp to find there were still issues. If the amp keeps wanting to cut out while playing and the gain sounds fizzy, what would be the next thing you would check on it? I figure I might as well check everything before resorting to take it over to Detroit Amp Lab to get it fixed.

:welcome:

Sorry, man - not sure what to tell you, other than advise posting this as a new topic in the main forum. Not many Hommies living in this thread lately, but we do have some really talented techie-types that can advise you there.
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Hello ALL !

Newcomer here. Just got myself a JCA50h a week ago and i'm loving it. Anyways I had a little question, I wasn't liking the high frequency fizz on it, I could eliminate it mostly with by reducing the with a parametric EQ (in the nova system) the 4KHZ frequency on a large band (1.1) but it still didn't quite do it for me while playing at lower volumes (2ish) coz I can't play all the time at 4+. So what I did was reduce the output volume on my nova system that is in the loop by -3db, and upped the volume to 4 and the fizzyness has been greatly attenuated and it added a bit more low end, now has also more dimension while being at the same volume level as on 2, I mean of course it still dosn't sound as good as if you drive the tubes. So my question is :

Is this solving the problem of the master volume acting as a high pass filter when not cranked, or is that mod (100k resistor in series on the MV) something completely different ? Sorry if this question has already been answered I've been reading Jet city stuff for the past 2 weeks now, while sleeping a drinking copious amounts in between :D

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Ok dudes, I'm back. And with TWO brand new amps to show off :D

First is the long awaited Amelia. Took delivery of her Friday. This is one hell of an amp for $500. It's not quite the same as the infamous Earhart, but it has it's own mojo going on. Bottom line - I'm retiring the Earhart from gigging use and have switched to the Amelia.

Functionally, it operates the same as the Earhart (and Cornford MK50H II).

The clean channel is what all of us Jet City guys have been wanting in our amps all this time. An actual clean channel. It isn't pristine glassy CLEAN clean, but it has a hint of breakup on it that I prefer on my clean channels. I never really bonded with the Earhart's clean because it was just too clean and almost sterile glassy sounding. I like a touch of grit and breakup.

Gain channel can give you JCM800 level of gain when you dime the knob, and switch on the Overdrive boost and you can get modern metal levels of gain. You won't be getting 'djent' style tight crisp low end on this, but this is an all around killer rock amp.



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Next amp that I have to show off is the JCA45. Handwired Marshall JTM45 clone. Loaded with KT66 and it's a really cool vintage style amp. I've already modded it with a PPIMV and 'one wire mod', and it's hitting that early EVH style tone, with a lot more gain available if I want to play more of the 80's metal.


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Resident thread killer

I know nothing

Sterling AX40 x3
PRS SE245, SE Paul's
Jet City amps - all of them
modded 2204s
Bogner XTC 3534
Kemper rack
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