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I injected some disinfectant today. I feel great.

sleewell wrote:I injected some disinfectant today. I feel great.

hey. You need to stop. Like now. Pretty much everyone is playing nice here except for you constantly trying to push buttons.

I know he’s a button pusher but his point is valid. From the top down at least in the U.S. it seems like there is a by design release of misinformation meant to kill us. Not protect us.

i'm totally fine if you wanna ban me. would not upset me at all.

if anyone on this planet said to inject disinfectants i hope that we all would make fun of them for being a fucking moron.

you let the thinly failed posts from the "optimists" that basically rehash WH talking points sail through and then have a problem when i say that i injected disinfectants.

sleewell wrote:i'm totally fine if you wanna ban me. would not upset me at all.

if anyone on this planet said to inject disinfectants i hope that we all would make fun of them for being a fucking moron.

you let the thinly failed posts from the "optimists" that basically rehash WH talking points sail through and then have a problem when i say that i injected disinfectants.

Yeah because that was the only time I asked you to stop.

I'm glad you won't mind at all if you get banned because that's what's going to happen if I see any more political crap out of you.
For now I'll see you on Monday. Enjoy the weekend off, you sound like you need it.

fretless wrote:I know he’s a button pusher but his point is valid. From the top down at least in the U.S. it seems like there is a by design release of misinformation meant to kill us. Not protect us.

Yeah except that was not his point.

His point was to provoke other users in the forum by bringing up politics, which he has done countless times in this thread.

He is just looking for a political fight on the internet. That's the entire point of these posts. Social media is full of people more than willing to engage in this kind of crap. Here's not the place for it.

that's smart! can't be too careful!!!!

ajaxlepinski wrote:

clipless bumper wrote:

ajaxlepinski wrote:

clipless bumper wrote:

sleewell wrote:

ajaxlepinski wrote:It has been reported that Sweden has 10% more infections than Norway, Finland and Denmark.

not important. how is their economy and stock market doing?

I'm sure it is doing better than a shutdown - thanks for asking!!

You are wrong...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 70771.html

Page not found......

I fixed it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 70771.html


While their economy may have been cruising along over the past few weeks, they now have more infections than any of their neighbors and they are fucked.
I was wondering when a graph would show up in this thread!!!

And then you have articles like this...

https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/23/sweden-shatters-lock-down-model-as-curves-stay-flat/?fbclid=IwAR1muypakerzvNNt-J3cBOyJikNwIRcZ-W5Yv2ZRY4cR5x2cGAWplWJPd2w

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tzfl1wTemM[/youtube]

Yeah, I really dont believe Sweden is suffering much worse than the rest. They are worse cause they simply are essentially “trying “ to get it over with sooner rather than later, but the mortality rate isn’t anywhere near predictions. In fact, it may very well be on par with seasonal flu when all is said and done.

The difference is this will infect more people cause it’ll be caught by everyone who gets in contact. But this 3-4% rates we have been hearing all along is grossly inflated.

And I know there have been a few guys in this thread who work in hospitals making it seem pretty bad, and while there is obviously hot spots and some facilities without enough beds or equipment to handle. But I think it’s extremely rare. Here in the US. Since besides my daughter who works in one of the busier hospitals in my area, they have something like 400 patients with Covid right now. And I asked her how many were on respirators, she didn’t have the exact number but said she only has 2 on her floor. Which has dozens if not a 100 patients. So, people who are in need of life saving equipment just aren’t anywhere near the amount predicted. . My other buddy works in a hospital in Jersey and for a place supposedly hit hard, he posts everyday how there ain’t shit really going on there. He posts pics all the time and he said wven was coverage said his hospital was hit hard... He posts pics and says “What these stations are saying simply isn’t true”

There has been footage from New York that I think it was ABC used showing how bad one of the hospitals was but it was footage from Italy. I mean... I don’t know what’s going on with the coverage, but it really doesn’t add up in a lot of places and the reality IN these facilities.

My good friend’s wife works in one of the biggest hospitals In Chicago. And yeah they have a lot, but I don’t hear about this massive amount of deaths or shortage of equipment. It seems pretty well handled.

So, to think Sweden is actually ok makes more sense to me than if they were getting hammered. The leaders there made it clear they would shut down if it got out of control. My guess is the REAL numbers there still suggest they can handle it the way they have been

EndTime wrote:And I know there have been a few guys in this thread who work in hospitals making it seem pretty bad, and while there is obviously hot spots and some facilities without enough beds or equipment to handle. But I think it’s extremely rare. Here in the US. Since besides my daughter who works in one of the busier hospitals in my area, they have something like 400 patients with Covid right now. And I asked her how many were on respirators, she didn’t have the exact number but said she only has 2 on her floor. Which has dozens if not a 100 patients. So, people who are in need of life saving equipment just aren’t anywhere near the amount predicted. . My other buddy works in a hospital in Jersey and for a place supposedly hit hard, he posts everyday how there ain’t shit really going on there. He posts pics all the time and he said wven was coverage said his hospital was hit hard... He posts pics and says “What these stations are saying simply isn’t true”

There has been footage from New York that I think it was ABC used showing how bad one of the hospitals was but it was footage from Italy. I mean... I don’t know what’s going on with the coverage, but it really doesn’t add up in a lot of places and the reality IN these facilities.

My good friend’s wife works in one of the biggest hospitals In Chicago. And yeah they have a lot, but I don’t hear about this massive amount of deaths or shortage of equipment. It seems pretty well handled.

So, to think Sweden is actually ok makes more sense to me than if they were getting hammered. The leaders there made it clear they would shut down if it got out of control. My guess is the REAL numbers there still suggest they can handle it the way they have been

No offense, but I feel like you are cherry-picking information to justify a perception or belief. I'm no expert and I don't have the answers, but I do have a (very minimal) inside track to what it's like to be in Sweden. My co-worker tells me that things don't seem to be too bad, but admits that there is nearly no official news about infection rates or death counts. It's easy to think that things are "OK" when you have no information; it's hard to believe that doing almost nothing will prove successful when other countries are suffering significant losses while trying hard to stem the tide. I honestly hope the numbers in Sweden hold and they are successful. It just doesn't seem reasonable to expect they will be...

EndTime wrote:And I know there have been a few guys in this thread who work in hospitals making it seem pretty bad, and while there is obviously hot spots and some facilities without enough beds or equipment to handle. But I think it’s extremely rare. Here in the US. Since besides my daughter who works in one of the busier hospitals in my area, they have something like 400 patients with Covid right now. And I asked her how many were on respirators, she didn’t have the exact number but said she only has 2 on her floor. Which has dozens if not a 100 patients. So, people who are in need of life saving equipment just aren’t anywhere near the amount predicted. . My other buddy works in a hospital in Jersey and for a place supposedly hit hard, he posts everyday how there ain’t shit really going on there. He posts pics all the time and he said wven was coverage said his hospital was hit hard... He posts pics and says “What these stations are saying simply isn’t true”

There has been footage from New York that I think it was ABC used showing how bad one of the hospitals was but it was footage from Italy. I mean... I don’t know what’s going on with the coverage, but it really doesn’t add up in a lot of places and the reality IN these facilities.

My good friend’s wife works in one of the biggest hospitals In Chicago. And yeah they have a lot, but I don’t hear about this massive amount of deaths or shortage of equipment. It seems pretty well handled.

So, to think Sweden is actually ok makes more sense to me than if they were getting hammered. The leaders there made it clear they would shut down if it got out of control. My guess is the REAL numbers there still suggest they can handle it the way they have been

I am fortunate in that I work in pediatrics now so the likelihood of critical COVID19 events is rare in our hospital, but the husband of one of my coworkers has 7 patients on ECMO across the street from us ranging from 30-55 years old.

ECMO is no fun. Put a cannula in one femoral vein 6mm wide and another cannula in your other femoral vein about 9mm wide. A pump and oxygenator take over complete function of your lungs to allow for protective ventilation settings but now all your blood is going through our circuit. Air entrainment? Massive air embolism and you die. Decannulation? Exsanguinate and you die. You are on anticoagulation so if you develop DIC, well, again, you probably die. Infection of a cannulation site or general septicemia? You probably die.

These are patients for whom they can’t attain a reasonable saturation with aggressive vent settings and being rota proned. They are also all veno veno and not veno arterial (heart function fine on initiation) and given a DNR regardless of patient/familial concerns because of the risk to those who would run a code on them.

This is just my experience talking to someone everyday who is on the front lines with a lot of these patients in a big city.

Edit: They have 200 patients with it right now

Yep @ Rampage. We only have about 25 confirmed and most are on Vents/ECMO--the latter being the last resort. Weird how this virus effects some significantly and others not at all. Has to be a key somewhere in genetics. I am on leave though but friends at the Hospital keep me updated on what is happening. We have an Intensivist that went on leave to help out in the Bronx, NY and she told me it is very scary and eye opening compared to what we are experiencing here.

Rampage wrote:

EndTime wrote:And I know there have been a few guys in this thread who work in hospitals making it seem pretty bad, and while there is obviously hot spots and some facilities without enough beds or equipment to handle. But I think it’s extremely rare. Here in the US. Since besides my daughter who works in one of the busier hospitals in my area, they have something like 400 patients with Covid right now. And I asked her how many were on respirators, she didn’t have the exact number but said she only has 2 on her floor. Which has dozens if not a 100 patients. So, people who are in need of life saving equipment just aren’t anywhere near the amount predicted. . My other buddy works in a hospital in Jersey and for a place supposedly hit hard, he posts everyday how there ain’t shit really going on there. He posts pics all the time and he said wven was coverage said his hospital was hit hard... He posts pics and says “What these stations are saying simply isn’t true”

There has been footage from New York that I think it was ABC used showing how bad one of the hospitals was but it was footage from Italy. I mean... I don’t know what’s going on with the coverage, but it really doesn’t add up in a lot of places and the reality IN these facilities.

My good friend’s wife works in one of the biggest hospitals In Chicago. And yeah they have a lot, but I don’t hear about this massive amount of deaths or shortage of equipment. It seems pretty well handled.

So, to think Sweden is actually ok makes more sense to me than if they were getting hammered. The leaders there made it clear they would shut down if it got out of control. My guess is the REAL numbers there still suggest they can handle it the way they have been

I am fortunate in that I work in pediatrics now so the likelihood of critical COVID19 events is rare in our hospital, but the husband of one of my coworkers has 7 patients on ECMO across the street from us ranging from 30-55 years old.

ECMO is no fun. Put a cannula in one femoral vein 6mm wide and another cannula in your other femoral vein about 9mm wide. A pump and oxygenator take over complete function of your lungs to allow for protective ventilation settings but now all your blood is going through our circuit. Air entrainment? Massive air embolism and you die. Decannulation? Exsanguinate and you die. You are on anticoagulation so if you develop DIC, well, again, you probably die. Infection of a cannulation site or general septicemia? You probably die.

These are patients for whom they can’t attain a reasonable saturation with aggressive vent settings and being rota proned. They are also all veno veno and not veno arterial (heart function fine on initiation) and given a DNR regardless of patient/familial concerns because of the risk to those who would run a code on them.

This is just my experience talking to someone everyday who is on the front lines with a lot of these patients in a big city.

Edit: They have 200 patients with it right now

I see you're in Houston. Earlier this week I saw someone comment on a FB post that was claiming things really aren't bad. She said she lived in Houston and there really wasn't anything going on there with Covid. Someone else replied that Houston was a hot spot and how could she not know that? I looked it up and sure enough. Houston was a hot spot and the worst area in TX.

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/infection-rate-in-the-greater-houston-area/

The level of disconnect with some people is baffling. (Not saying nothing has ever been exaggerated or predictions were 100% )

Rampage wrote:
I am fortunate in that I work in pediatrics now so the likelihood of critical COVID19 events is rare in our hospital, but the husband of one of my coworkers has 7 patients on ECMO across the street from us ranging from 30-55 years old.

ECMO is no fun. Put a cannula in one femoral vein 6mm wide and another cannula in your other femoral vein about 9mm wide. A pump and oxygenator take over complete function of your lungs to allow for protective ventilation settings but now all your blood is going through our circuit. Air entrainment? Massive air embolism and you die. Decannulation? Exsanguinate and you die. You are on anticoagulation so if you develop DIC, well, again, you probably die. Infection of a cannulation site or general septicemia? You probably die.

These are patients for whom they can’t attain a reasonable saturation with aggressive vent settings and being rota proned. They are also all veno veno and not veno arterial (heart function fine on initiation) and given a DNR regardless of patient/familial concerns because of the risk to those who would run a code on them.

This is just my experience talking to someone everyday who is on the front lines with a lot of these patients in a big city.

Edit: They have 200 patients with it right now

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uA_FPAqgXg[/youtube]

thisguy wrote:I see you're in Houston. Earlier this week I saw someone comment on a FB post that was claiming things really aren't bad. She said she lived in Houston and there really wasn't anything going on there with Covid. Someone else replied that Houston was a hot spot and how could she not know that? I looked it up and sure enough. Houston was a hot spot and the worst area in TX.

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/infection-rate-in-the-greater-houston-area/

The level of disconnect with some people is baffling. (Not saying nothing has ever been exaggerated or predictions were 100% )

One of the things I've seen happening in conversations about this is people saying they walk by a hospital and don't see anything going on outside, therefore, there's nothing happening. But the hospitals in hot spots aren't allowing average toe-stubbers in the doors, and lots of people in those hot spots are avoiding going anywhere near clinics or hospitals just to avoid exposure unless they absolutely have to. So even a hospital that's just loaded to the gills with patients on the inside will look pretty dead on the outside.

Some somebody walks by, sees nothing, and tells others there's nothing really happening.

nightflameauto wrote:

thisguy wrote:I see you're in Houston. Earlier this week I saw someone comment on a FB post that was claiming things really aren't bad. She said she lived in Houston and there really wasn't anything going on there with Covid. Someone else replied that Houston was a hot spot and how could she not know that? I looked it up and sure enough. Houston was a hot spot and the worst area in TX.

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/infection-rate-in-the-greater-houston-area/

The level of disconnect with some people is baffling. (Not saying nothing has ever been exaggerated or predictions were 100% )

One of the things I've seen happening in conversations about this is people saying they walk by a hospital and don't see anything going on outside, therefore, there's nothing happening. But the hospitals in hot spots aren't allowing average toe-stubbers in the doors, and lots of people in those hot spots are avoiding going anywhere near clinics or hospitals just to avoid exposure unless they absolutely have to. So even a hospital that's just loaded to the gills with patients on the inside will look pretty dead on the outside.

Some somebody walks by, sees nothing, and tells others there's nothing really happening.

Yep, My Hospital is closed to ALL Visitors unless end of life scenarios.

nightflameauto wrote:

thisguy wrote:I see you're in Houston. Earlier this week I saw someone comment on a FB post that was claiming things really aren't bad. She said she lived in Houston and there really wasn't anything going on there with Covid. Someone else replied that Houston was a hot spot and how could she not know that? I looked it up and sure enough. Houston was a hot spot and the worst area in TX.

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/infection-rate-in-the-greater-houston-area/

The level of disconnect with some people is baffling. (Not saying nothing has ever been exaggerated or predictions were 100% )

One of the things I've seen happening in conversations about this is people saying they walk by a hospital and don't see anything going on outside, therefore, there's nothing happening. But the hospitals in hot spots aren't allowing average toe-stubbers in the doors, and lots of people in those hot spots are avoiding going anywhere near clinics or hospitals just to avoid exposure unless they absolutely have to. So even a hospital that's just loaded to the gills with patients on the inside will look pretty dead on the outside.

Some somebody walks by, sees nothing, and tells others there's nothing really happening.

Don't even get me started on the youtube "reporters" going to hospitals and reporting how the media is lying because the lobbies and parking lots aren't packed out.

This lady was completely unaware that there was a problem in the city of Houston where she lived and was telling everyone how there weren't many cases around there.

thisguy wrote:

ajaxlepinski wrote:

clipless bumper wrote:

ajaxlepinski wrote:

clipless bumper wrote:

sleewell wrote:

ajaxlepinski wrote:It has been reported that Sweden has 10% more infections than Norway, Finland and Denmark.

not important. how is their economy and stock market doing?

I'm sure it is doing better than a shutdown - thanks for asking!!

You are wrong...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 70771.html

Page not found......

I fixed it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 70771.html


While their economy may have been cruising along over the past few weeks, they now have more infections than any of their neighbors and they are fucked.
I was wondering when a graph would show up in this thread!!!

And then you have articles like this...

https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/23/sweden-shatters-lock-down-model-as-curves-stay-flat/?fbclid=IwAR1muypakerzvNNt-J3cBOyJikNwIRcZ-W5Yv2ZRY4cR5x2cGAWplWJPd2w

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tzfl1wTemM[/youtube]

The article you posted boasts about Sweden's "flat curve" and how well they are dealing with the virus.
The author, Cella Farber, wrote the article based on information that she collected from one person; Sweden's “controversial” health minister, Anders Tegnell; the man who decided to not shut down Sweden.
The article ignores the fact that Sweden has more infections and deaths than Denmark, Finland or Norway.

As of today: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Country.......Infections....Deaths
Sweden.......17,567........2,152
Denmark.......8,408...........403
Norway.........7,444...........199
Finland..........4395...........177

I would imaging that, there are 2000 Swedish families who wish their country had shut down.

I can’t wait for the day this thread and dead and buried.

G-Zod wrote:I can’t wait for the day this thread and dead and buried.

Even after the day comes that this thread is finally dead and buried people will still go on forever debating what caused it's death.

Are you saying it's time to lightent things up?

Corona humor...

One more...

I found this very interesting and eye opening. Never expected this report.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/smokers-four ... 03823.html

ajaxlepinski wrote:One more...

Haha that church one is about 30 minutes from here