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nightflameauto wrote:Just had a remote staff meeting. The Smithfield plant is now up to 400 tested positive. So we've taken a policy of anyone in the same household/roomates/etc. with Smithfield employees are currently on a two week quarantine. Couple other disappointing bits of news about hiring freezes and stopping IT spending while placing far more demands on IT, but that's standard business practice in an emergency.

We also have our third positive test in the plant this week. While that doesn't seem like much, considering two weeks ago we had none, end of last week we had two, well. . . . Too soon to predict a trend, but it's troubling at the very least.

the disparity between your mayor and governor is shocking. it seems like a lot of people are saying well we don't have that many cases right now so we should just continue life as normal. when your boat has a hole in it you dont wait to start addressing the problem until the boat has sunk to the bottom.

sleewell wrote:the disparity between your mayor and governor is shocking. it seems like a lot of people are saying well we don't have that many cases right now so we should just continue life as normal. when your boat has a hole in it you dont wait to start addressing the problem until the boat has sunk to the bottom.

Meh. Either one of them is capable of screwing the pooch on live TV if given the opportunity. By the time this is over they'll find a way to fuck this sideways and backwards.

Luckily, most of our local population is taking precautionary measures despite how shit our leaders have been in addressing the situation. Not all, but most. May Darwin have mercy on the souls of those who haven't.

nightflameauto wrote:

sleewell wrote:the disparity between your mayor and governor is shocking. it seems like a lot of people are saying well we don't have that many cases right now so we should just continue life as normal. when your boat has a hole in it you dont wait to start addressing the problem until the boat has sunk to the bottom.

Meh. Either one of them is capable of screwing the pooch on live TV if given the opportunity. By the time this is over they'll find a way to fuck this sideways and backwards.

Luckily, most of our local population is taking precautionary measures despite how shit our leaders have been in addressing the situation. Not all, but most. May Darwin have mercy on the souls of those who haven't.

Despite being an energy drinking Affliction shirt wearing Disturbed fan, at least your mayor is considering something resembling a stay at home order for his city. That's more than I can say for the morons running the state.

Dick Butter Nuts wrote:Despite being an energy drinking Affliction shirt wearing Disturbed fan, at least your mayor is considering something resembling a stay at home order for his city. That's more than I can say for the morons running the state.

He's considering it, which is admittedly a step.

I don't have a ton of faith in his follow through, based on past history. I guess we'll see.

I got my test results back: negative, despite having most of the symptoms starting around a week and a half before I was able to get tested.

Which leaves three possibilities:

1. I never had it
2. I had it, but got through to the other side before I got tested
3. False negative

I'm not sure which is most likely. I think I've been sick once in the past 7 or 8 years, so the odds that I came down with the flu at the same time as we're taking all these precautions to not get infected seems like a stretch, but maybe I'm like Billy and just got some random bug. This kind of conundrum is going to last until we have widespread antibody testing.

OTOH, Darwinism in action for someone who adamantly refused to follow social distancing on the basis of religion:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/bishop-gerald-glenn-kept-church-213318917.html

Wonder how many of the 185 people reportedly in church that day end up infected?

PurpleTrails wrote:I got my test results back: negative, despite having most of the symptoms starting around a week and a half before I was able to get tested.

Which leaves three possibilities:

1. I never had it
2. I had it, but got through to the other side before I got tested
3. False negative

I'm not sure which is most likely. I think I've been sick once in the past 7 or 8 years, so the odds that I came down with the flu at the same time as we're taking all these precautions to not get infected seems like a stretch, but maybe I'm like Billy and just got some random bug. This kind of conundrum is going to last until we have widespread antibody testing.

OTOH, Darwinism in action for someone who adamantly refused to follow social distancing on the basis of religion:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/bishop-gerald-glenn-kept-church-213318917.html

Wonder how many of the 185 people reportedly in church that day end up infected?

Option 1 would be exponentially more likely than the rest. Option 2 is certainly possible, but reliable antibody tests seem to be scarce, so for now, it's hard to know for certain. I haven't seen any reports that accuracy for testing current infections is worse than expected or below statistically-reasonable levels, so Option 3 seems very unlikely.

Regarding the link... Religion loves people that are willing to die for the cause. No matter how avoidable. At least he wasn't afraid to die - or potentially kill others. If there is a God (clearly a debate for another forum ), I'd like to think that he/she would demand a little more common sense and a lot less stupidity...

PurpleTrails wrote:I got my test results back: negative, despite having most of the symptoms starting around a week and a half before I was able to get tested.

Which leaves three possibilities:

1. I never had it
2. I had it, but got through to the other side before I got tested
3. False negative

I'm not sure which is most likely. I think I've been sick once in the past 7 or 8 years, so the odds that I came down with the flu at the same time as we're taking all these precautions to not get infected seems like a stretch, but maybe I'm like Billy and just got some random bug. This kind of conundrum is going to last until we have widespread antibody testing.

OTOH, Darwinism in action for someone who adamantly refused to follow social distancing on the basis of religion:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/bishop-gerald-glenn-kept-church-213318917.html

Wonder how many of the 185 people reportedly in church that day end up infected?

A Norwegian woman was tested twice after being admitted to hospital. Both negative. It turned out that the nasal tests didn't catch it, because the virus was primarily in her lungs at that time. She was discharged after a while and was sent home. So there is a possibility of false negative.

I guess antibody-testing will be an important step in getting control after the worst storm has passed.

i love that people like rush and other 1%ers are telling people from the safety of their mansions to go out and get back to work. yeah you might die and kill all your family members but its worth it for the bottom line of some mega corp.

sleewell wrote:i love that people like rush and other 1%ers are telling people from the safety of their mansions to go out and get back to work. yeah you might die and kill all your family members but its worth it for the bottom line of some mega corp.

You can CLEARLY make the argument that the people at the lower end of pay scale are being hurt MORE than "rich !% mansion" types! They are the bigger victims


We will have to open the economy eventually (the govt checks can only do so much) but maybe piece mealing the economy in sections will be the way to go. Perhaps testing for fever daily at work entrances and those who already have had it can go back to work (but that has challenges as well) but you can and will probably open up in small pieces, etc and not all at once


It will help the psyche of many hard working people as well, but slow and steady imo

I’m sure there is a ‘Breaking’ point. If we don’t open the country soon I think we are all FUCKED

I understand the sentiment, but I think that take on the situation is way too pessimistic. Some are certainly suffering far worse than others, but society hasn't collapsed. Yet. Nothing is as easy as it was, but food and fuel are available, the power grid is still pushing electrons, etc. The economy got butt-fucked, but I'm hopeful (and expecting) that a fairly significant percentage of the losses will be reversed quickly IF this doesn't drag out until Q4. One of things that will truly piss me off is seeing the upper-echelon folks that had the means to shelter wealth during the downturn profit significantly when it moves the other direction. The ability to pick & choose investment options is certainly a valuable tool, if you know what you are doing. Those of us with broad-focused 401(k) investments through employers can only rely on the available options - and hope for the best...

P.S. If it looked like Asia and Europe weren't making progress, or worse, sinking deeper with climbing infection and death rates, then I'd be scared shitless...

IndyWS6 wrote:P.S. If it looked like Asia and Europe weren't making progress, or worse, sinking deeper with climbing infection and death rates, then I'd be scared shitless...

I won't say I'm scared shitless at the moment, but I am scared because we're seeing some super troubling trends with large scale protests breaking out in states with stricter shelter-in-place rules than we have in SD, and governors in states like SD saying shelter-in-place wouldn't do any good. There's a combination of understandable frustration and less understandable stupidity all the way from the top to the bottom that's taking root and growing horribly fast.

It's tough to remain optimistic when watching massive failures in your own city like the Smithfield incident, while your governor is proclaiming that everything's fine in your state and we don't need to worry about it 'cause we're clean and pure, unlike those dirty New Yorkers. That gives you enough of a WTF level concern that you can't exactly stay positive about it.

nightflameauto wrote:

IndyWS6 wrote:P.S. If it looked like Asia and Europe weren't making progress, or worse, sinking deeper with climbing infection and death rates, then I'd be scared shitless...

I won't say I'm scared shitless at the moment, but I am scared because we're seeing some super troubling trends with large scale protests breaking out in states with stricter shelter-in-place rules than we have in SD, and governors in states like SD saying shelter-in-place wouldn't do any good. There's a combination of understandable frustration and less understandable stupidity all the way from the top to the bottom that's taking root and growing horribly fast.

It's tough to remain optimistic when watching massive failures in your own city like the Smithfield incident, while your governor is proclaiming that everything's fine in your state and we don't need to worry about it 'cause we're clean and pure, unlike those dirty New Yorkers. That gives you enough of a WTF level concern that you can't exactly stay positive about it.

Like this https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... s-protest/

Pepi wrote:

nightflameauto wrote:

IndyWS6 wrote:P.S. If it looked like Asia and Europe weren't making progress, or worse, sinking deeper with climbing infection and death rates, then I'd be scared shitless...

I won't say I'm scared shitless at the moment, but I am scared because we're seeing some super troubling trends with large scale protests breaking out in states with stricter shelter-in-place rules than we have in SD, and governors in states like SD saying shelter-in-place wouldn't do any good. There's a combination of understandable frustration and less understandable stupidity all the way from the top to the bottom that's taking root and growing horribly fast.

It's tough to remain optimistic when watching massive failures in your own city like the Smithfield incident, while your governor is proclaiming that everything's fine in your state and we don't need to worry about it 'cause we're clean and pure, unlike those dirty New Yorkers. That gives you enough of a WTF level concern that you can't exactly stay positive about it.

Like this https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... s-protest/

I get some of her points/orders - but WHY are people not allowed to buy seeds??
I can't see any justification for that.

we have the 3rd most cases in the country. its not like we don't have any cases and she just up and did this for fun.

people were ignoring the first order. bringing entire families of 5-10 ppl out just to browse stores because they were bored and fox was telling them its a hoax.

i am embarrassed for my state to see confederate flags in 2020 and people just denying science like that is something to be proud of how fucking dumb you are.


obviously going to have to wait to see if she made the right decision but when you have the 3rd most cases in the country i would much rather have someone try to save lives than just put their head in the sand and do nothing. i think a lot of the other states where they are doing nothing have the potential to get crushed and that could be way worse. they are correct when they say they aren't NYC; they don't have nearly the hospital capacity so even a few dozen serious cases could pose major problems as many rural hospitals have long since closed.

sleewell wrote:we have the 3rd most cases in the country. its not like we don't have any cases and she just up and did this for fun.

people were ignoring the first order. bringing entire families of 5-10 ppl out just to browse stores because they were bored and fox was telling them its a hoax.

i am embarrassed for my state to see confederate flags in 2020 and people just denying science like that is something to be proud of how fucking dumb you are.


obviously going to have to wait to see if she made the right decision but when you have the 3rd most cases in the country i would much rather have someone try to save lives than just put their head in the sand and do nothing. i think a lot of the other states where they are doing nothing have the potential to get crushed and that could be way worse. they are correct when they say they aren't NYC; they don't have nearly the hospital capacity so even a few dozen serious cases could pose major problems as many rural hospitals have long since closed.

I get some of her points/orders - but WHY are people not allowed to buy seeds??
I can't see any justification for that.


it sounds like you live in a city - rural residents have a much different climate/mindset.
My mom is in WI - definitely rural - the county she lives in doesn't have ANY cases of CoViD - MI's types of measures seem to be way too extreme for those types of areas.

well shit if you dont have any cases right now i am sure you have no chance to get it. i mean we were told this would all go away when it got warmer so fuck it lets just go bowling.

i already explained her position. its abundantly clear that you would wait for your boat to be almost underwater before addressing the hole in the hull. i'm just glad that people with your lack of understanding on how this spreads arent running a state that i live in.

sleewell wrote:well shit if you dont have any cases right now i am sure you have no chance to get it. i mean we were told this would all go away when it got warmer so fuck it lets just go bowling.

i already explained her position. its abundantly clear that you would wait for your boat to be almost underwater before addressing the hole in the hull. i'm just glad that people with your lack of understanding on how this spreads arent running a state that i live in.

I think I have a pretty good understanding of it.
I am about 20 miles outside of Philadelphia, and I am definitely taking it seriously.
Masks, hand sanitizer in the car, limiting exposure in stores, etc.

I do understand most of her position - my original question was why something like garden seeds were singled out to be not allowed. And might as well add the order that you can't go fishing (or be out on the water) if you are using a motor boat or jet ski - but canoes and sailboats are fine.

sleewell wrote:well shit if you dont have any cases right now i am sure you have no chance to get it. i mean we were told this would all go away when it got warmer so fuck it lets just go bowling.

i already explained her position. its abundantly clear that you would wait for your boat to be almost underwater before addressing the hole in the hull. i'm just glad that people with your lack of understanding on how this spreads arent running a state that i live in.

While historically I'd more often agree with you than bumper in this case he's not totally wrong. I mean what is social distancing but dealing with population density and social interaction?
I'm not saying you're 100% wrong here but rural and urban considerations are indeed different to a certain degree by their very nature.

When I compare where my family lives in rural Indiana to where I live there are more people living in my very building than there are in the square mile surrounding their home.
I understand where you're coming from, I really do, I'd ask you to try to relax on the emotional response and just consider that there are some grains of truth regarding that.

nothing i say or post is going to keep rural communities from falsely thinking they are immune from this. dear leader and their favored media sources have told them they are safe so i am sure they will be. viruses def check to see how many people live your area while they are infecting you as you are out and about living your normal life ignoring the warnings of experts. they totally leave your body on that long drive back to your house in the middle of nowhere.

just under 140k worldwide deaths and now every state in the US has had deaths as well. but we can keep saying its fine if you don't yet have cases i guess, makes you feel better in the moment and gets your through the day so have at it.

its frustrating to see people with half their teeth waving a confederate flag all up in arms because they cant go for a boat ride (its snowing here btw) while i personally know many healthcare workers who are telling me how shitty it is trying to intubate someone who is fighting back bc they ran out of the medication they need to do it the correct way.

sleewell wrote:nothing i say or post is going to keep rural communities from falsely thinking they are immune from this. dear leader and their favored media sources have told them they are safe so i am sure they will be.

You are correct that there is nothing you can say that will ever get through to those people, as facts and reality have no bearing on their views. The media sources that they follow realize that it's more profitable to tell people what they want to hear than it is to present them with legitimate news. I have relatives who are Jehovah's Witnesses, and they have a similar mindset of only believing things that they want to hear and then calling anything they don't want to hear about "fake news". Disregarding information because it doesn't confirm what you already believe is how ignorant people stay ignorant, but it's a free country, so to each their own.

Just got the email (while working at home). 5% pay cut effective immediately. The duration is unknown and resumption of normal pay will be reevaluated based on business conditions. I wouldn't be surprised if it lasts through the remainder of the year. Even when people go back to work, they probably aren't going to run out and buy new cars, trucks and fleet vehicles. I expected this and prepared for it, and it could certainly be worse, but it still blows. It sure didn't help with the lack of motivation I was already fighting today.

Might go home early. And by "go home", I mean move to a different part of the house

clipless bumper wrote:

Pepi wrote:

nightflameauto wrote:

IndyWS6 wrote:P.S. If it looked like Asia and Europe weren't making progress, or worse, sinking deeper with climbing infection and death rates, then I'd be scared shitless...

I won't say I'm scared shitless at the moment, but I am scared because we're seeing some super troubling trends with large scale protests breaking out in states with stricter shelter-in-place rules than we have in SD, and governors in states like SD saying shelter-in-place wouldn't do any good. There's a combination of understandable frustration and less understandable stupidity all the way from the top to the bottom that's taking root and growing horribly fast.

It's tough to remain optimistic when watching massive failures in your own city like the Smithfield incident, while your governor is proclaiming that everything's fine in your state and we don't need to worry about it 'cause we're clean and pure, unlike those dirty New Yorkers. That gives you enough of a WTF level concern that you can't exactly stay positive about it.

Like this https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... s-protest/

I get some of her points/orders - but WHY are people not allowed to buy seeds??
I can't see any justification for that.

I live in East TN. As soon as everyone started staying at home the hardware stores got slammed with business. People finally had time to do home projects. Some of the main areas were painting along with lawn and garden. Some restrictions have been chosen to eliminate the reasons people wanted to go shopping outside of emergency projects.

thisguy wrote:

clipless bumper wrote:

Pepi wrote:

nightflameauto wrote:

IndyWS6 wrote:P.S. If it looked like Asia and Europe weren't making progress, or worse, sinking deeper with climbing infection and death rates, then I'd be scared shitless...

I won't say I'm scared shitless at the moment, but I am scared because we're seeing some super troubling trends with large scale protests breaking out in states with stricter shelter-in-place rules than we have in SD, and governors in states like SD saying shelter-in-place wouldn't do any good. There's a combination of understandable frustration and less understandable stupidity all the way from the top to the bottom that's taking root and growing horribly fast.

It's tough to remain optimistic when watching massive failures in your own city like the Smithfield incident, while your governor is proclaiming that everything's fine in your state and we don't need to worry about it 'cause we're clean and pure, unlike those dirty New Yorkers. That gives you enough of a WTF level concern that you can't exactly stay positive about it.

Like this https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... s-protest/

I get some of her points/orders - but WHY are people not allowed to buy seeds??
I can't see any justification for that.

I live in East TN. As soon as everyone started staying at home the hardware stores got slammed with business. People finally had time to do home projects. Some of the main areas were painting along with lawn and garden. Some restrictions have been chosen to eliminate the reasons people wanted to go shopping outside of emergency projects.

Where bouts?

primeholy wrote:

thisguy wrote:

clipless bumper wrote:

Pepi wrote:

nightflameauto wrote:

IndyWS6 wrote:P.S. If it looked like Asia and Europe weren't making progress, or worse, sinking deeper with climbing infection and death rates, then I'd be scared shitless...

I won't say I'm scared shitless at the moment, but I am scared because we're seeing some super troubling trends with large scale protests breaking out in states with stricter shelter-in-place rules than we have in SD, and governors in states like SD saying shelter-in-place wouldn't do any good. There's a combination of understandable frustration and less understandable stupidity all the way from the top to the bottom that's taking root and growing horribly fast.

It's tough to remain optimistic when watching massive failures in your own city like the Smithfield incident, while your governor is proclaiming that everything's fine in your state and we don't need to worry about it 'cause we're clean and pure, unlike those dirty New Yorkers. That gives you enough of a WTF level concern that you can't exactly stay positive about it.

Like this https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... s-protest/

I get some of her points/orders - but WHY are people not allowed to buy seeds??
I can't see any justification for that.

I live in East TN. As soon as everyone started staying at home the hardware stores got slammed with business. People finally had time to do home projects. Some of the main areas were painting along with lawn and garden. Some restrictions have been chosen to eliminate the reasons people wanted to go shopping outside of emergency projects.

Where bouts?

Knoxville.

To be clear, there aren't any paint or gardening restrictions around here. I'm actually about to go get supplies for more projects right now!