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IndyWS6 wrote:Not trying to pick fights or single anyone out, but the generalizations and assumptions are interesting, mostly because they are unsubstantiated and provide no basis in science. Instead, they are typically left open-ended or allude to some dark fear without explanation.

Based on legitimate science and repeatable studies, we know that viruses can move between animals and from animal to human. This is not even remotely new to science. We also know that they can morph and change along the way. Why is it so implausible that a "Coronavirus" had an origin in bats (something proven by science for earlier, different "Coronavirus" structures) and then moved through an intermediary animal before being hosted by humans? Researchers haven't identified the animal that gave the virus a stepping stone, or declared that progression as absolute fact, but that is where the research is leading. In my mind that is far more plausible than the fear-mongering BS that is continually referenced.

And don't get me started on the scrub-wearing "doctors" with YouTube rants that we should listen to "because what they say makes a lot of sense". The latest one being pushed is some Chiropractor with an obvious deep-seated political slant and cultural insecurities. I don't care how many classes he sat in at the vocational school to learn about sprained ankles. I'm pretty sure that immunologists and infectious disease experts will have a better handle on that area of medicine. They, too, have prejudices and can push agendas, but it's far easier to skim the agenda from the science than it is trying to find some science among the prejudice.

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TraumaRN wrote:
IndyWS6 wrote:Not trying to pick fights or single anyone out, but the generalizations and assumptions are interesting, mostly because they are unsubstantiated and provide no basis in science. Instead, they are typically left open-ended or allude to some dark fear without explanation.

Based on legitimate science and repeatable studies, we know that viruses can move between animals and from animal to human. This is not even remotely new to science. We also know that they can morph and change along the way. Why is it so implausible that a "Coronavirus" had an origin in bats (something proven by science for earlier, different "Coronavirus" structures) and then moved through an intermediary animal before being hosted by humans? Researchers haven't identified the animal that gave the virus a stepping stone, or declared that progression as absolute fact, but that is where the research is leading. In my mind that is far more plausible than the fear-mongering BS that is continually referenced.

And don't get me started on the scrub-wearing "doctors" with YouTube rants that we should listen to "because what they say makes a lot of sense". The latest one being pushed is some Chiropractor with an obvious deep-seated political slant and cultural insecurities. I don't care how many classes he sat in at the vocational school to learn about sprained ankles. I'm pretty sure that immunologists and infectious disease experts will have a better handle on that area of medicine. They, too, have prejudices and can push agendas, but it's far easier to skim the agenda from the science than it is trying to find some science among the prejudice.

Just my .02 from a bunker in the middle of a cornfield...



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Definitely an interesting theory. I think the genome studies of the virus have put to rest the “bio-engineered” theory, though escape from a high-level bio lab could be possible. Those labs typically have really strict SOPs but it could still theoretically have happened.

I don’t think that just because we haven’t yet identified an animal species where this came from, that automatically supports the Escaped Virus theory. It took about 7 years before they confirmed where the 2009 Swine flu originated, which was Mexico. Interestingly, the precursor flu strains were in that pig population for about 10 years prior to gaining the ability to jump to humans. It was just a ticking time bomb waiting for the right mutation.

Here’s the H1N1 paper for those wanting the source
https://elifesciences.org/articles/16777
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Rob Dukes was really sick but thankfully he's recovered :eek:

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GuitarBilly wrote:Rob Dukes was really sick but thankfully he's recovered :eek:

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Chuck Billy, Steve DiGiorgio, Gary Holt and several crew members also got it. The drummer from Death Angel was 9 (?) days in ICU.
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Stimulus checks delayed so they can add trump's name to the memo line. Seems like a good idea.
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sleewell wrote:Stimulus checks delayed so they can add trump's name to the memo line. Seems like a good idea.


Looks like I got a direct deposit this morning... which is interesting since I moved home to Canada 8 months ago. My sister and her husband also got it too. They moved from North Carolina back to Canada 2 years ago...

I’m sure the IRS will figure it out and take it back at some point, but it would be better if it was going towards people who actually need it right now.
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sleewell wrote:Stimulus checks delayed so they can add trump's name to the memo line. Seems like a good idea.


My wife and I both received ours today alongside our tax return that we filled only a week ago.
She got the full $1200, they gave me ~$850.

Honestly with her having a pay cut and the future of the economy unclear getting our tax return and this have added some peace of mind for sure.
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I'm wondering what to do with my buddies 1200.00 return. I filed his taxes for him in 2019 and he passed away Mar 17 2020. I used my routing number so the check was deposited in my bank account. Wonder if I need to call the IRS and send it back or give it to his sister?
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While the New York death toll continues to climb, some other areas of the country are seeing less dead than expected. So, of course, rather than say, "Nice job on containment, everybody. Thank you for social distancing and doing your part!" The reaction is instead, "Shit, we really fucked up and closed down for no reason. Better get back to work!" Now, not everybody's pulling this out, but it's starting to get loud enough I'm worried our "leaders" such as they are, are going to start listening to that over the scientists saying the social distancing is working to lower projected numbers.

Too much reactionary non-thought in this situation could still make things a TON worse before they start getting better.
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nightflameauto wrote:While the New York death toll continues to climb, some other areas of the country are seeing less dead than expected. So, of course, rather than say, "Nice job on containment, everybody. Thank you for social distancing and doing your part!" The reaction is instead, "Shit, we really fucked up and closed down for no reason. Better get back to work!" Now, not everybody's pulling this out, but it's starting to get loud enough I'm worried our "leaders" such as they are, are going to start listening to that over the scientists saying the social distancing is working to lower projected numbers.

Too much reactionary non-thought in this situation could still make things a TON worse before they start getting better.


I wish I remember who I recall saying that EXACTLY that would happen.
That we'd do it, it'd work, then you'd have folks saying "see we didn't need to do this after all!" in response to it working.

We need more fucking focus on STEM in school.
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Pepi wrote:I'm wondering what to do with my buddies 1200.00 return. I filed his taxes for him in 2019 and he passed away Mar 17 2020. I used my routing number so the check was deposited in my bank account. Wonder if I need to call the IRS and send it back or give it to his sister?

So, you did the tax preparation for a friend of yours last year (2018 taxes, payable in 2019), used your bank account routing information on his return, which means that his refund in 2019 was deposited in your account, correct? Now, you received his $1,200 stimulus payment (it's not a return...) in your account because that was the direct deposit information of record for your buddy. Is that also correct?

The biggest question you're going to need to have answered is if the payment only applies if the intended receiver is alive at the time of payment. If not, and there are provisions for survivorship, you'll need to give it to his family/executor. Then you need to disassociate your account from his name. That seems incredibly weird...
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Couple buddies got theirs, and P and I share a household account that we use to file taxes with.

One of them got deposited this morning.
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nightflameauto wrote:While the New York death toll continues to climb, some other areas of the country are seeing less dead than expected. So, of course, rather than say, "Nice job on containment, everybody. Thank you for social distancing and doing your part!" The reaction is instead, "Shit, we really fucked up and closed down for no reason. Better get back to work!" Now, not everybody's pulling this out, but it's starting to get loud enough I'm worried our "leaders" such as they are, are going to start listening to that over the scientists saying the social distancing is working to lower projected numbers.

Too much reactionary non-thought in this situation could still make things a TON worse before they start getting better.


I wish I remember who I recall saying that EXACTLY that would happen.
That we'd do it, it'd work, then you'd have folks saying "see we didn't need to do this after all!" in response to it working.

We need more fucking focus on STEM in school.

Pretty much everybody with a lick of common sense that's been watching the handling of this crisis, that's who... It's an almost certainty that some states/regions will be overeager to resume "normal" and people will die unnecessarily because of it. I understand the complexities and the need to get the economy moving. I just hope that doesn't overshadow the risks and that people aren't so callous that they forget the numbers represent dead people...
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Apparently there was a 100+ person protest in Ohio with people screaming the cure is worse than the virus and we need to lift the social distancing restrictions. The lack of critical thinking skills in this country at this moment is really helping this situation along. :facepalm:
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nightflameauto wrote:Apparently there was a 100+ person protest in Ohio with people screaming the cure is worse than the virus and we need to lift the social distancing restrictions. The lack of critical thinking skills in this country at this moment is really helping this situation along. :facepalm:


I mean to give them a fair shake some people are REALLY hurting from this economically. I mean prior to this we were living in a reality where 59% of people could not afford an unexpected bill of $500 or more. I would expect that group has quite a bit of overlap with the same people who cannot work from home and/or were laird off.

I get where certain people are coming from when they say the cure is worse than the virus for them personally. Ultimately I don't know what to do about those people.
Facts are for me personally I've been working from home and aside from my wife's pay cut (25%, so it isn't nothing) we're in good shape right now and for the foreseeable future so its easy for me to say "stay home" from my situation.
I know this isn't the case for many.
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IndyWS6 wrote:
Pepi wrote:I'm wondering what to do with my buddies 1200.00 return. I filed his taxes for him in 2019 and he passed away Mar 17 2020. I used my routing number so the check was deposited in my bank account. Wonder if I need to call the IRS and send it back or give it to his sister?

So, you did the tax preparation for a friend of yours last year (2018 taxes, payable in 2019), used your bank account routing information on his return, which means that his refund in 2019 was deposited in your account, correct? Now, you received his $1,200 stimulus payment (it's not a return...) in your account because that was the direct deposit information of record for your buddy. Is that also correct?

The biggest question you're going to need to have answered is if the payment only applies if the intended receiver is alive at the time of payment. If not, and there are provisions for survivorship, you'll need to give it to his family/executor. Then you need to disassociate your account from his name. That seems incredibly weird...


You are correct. I was his Power of Attorney and taking care of his money due to a fucking thief in his family ripping him off :mad: He had brain cancer :(

What I will do is have my lawyer buddy draw up a legal form that I gave the money to my buddies sister (executor). I will have her sign it and have it notarized with a witness. Should keep me out of jail LOL
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nightflameauto wrote:Apparently there was a 100+ person protest in Ohio with people screaming the cure is worse than the virus and we need to lift the social distancing restrictions. The lack of critical thinking skills in this country at this moment is really helping this situation along. :facepalm:


I mean to give them a fair shake some people are REALLY hurting from this economically. I mean prior to this we were living in a reality where 59% of people could not afford an unexpected bill of $500 or more. I would expect that group has quite a bit of overlap with the same people who cannot work from home and/or were laird off.

I get where certain people are coming from when they say the cure is worse than the virus for them personally. Ultimately I don't know what to do about those people.
Facts are for me personally I've been working from home and aside from my wife's pay cut (25%, so it isn't nothing) we're in good shape right now and for the foreseeable future so its easy for me to say "stay home" from my situation.
I know this isn't the case for many.

Yeah, and the sad reality is, our government dragging its feet every step of the way getting these people even the fairly insulting cushion check they're handing out isn't helping that situation any.

Our country, heck the whole world, is going to have to have a real hard think about whether we care about the people at the bottom, or if we've given into corporate think to the point where people as individuals no longer matter at all. And if we do care, what we're going to do to elevate folks to the point where this doesn't happen again. And again.

I'm also fairly comfortable right now, so I suppose I shouldn't judge those on the bottom. I'd be interested to see the demographics of the protesters, as at the moment that's not clear.
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Pepi wrote:
IndyWS6 wrote:
Pepi wrote:I'm wondering what to do with my buddies 1200.00 return. I filed his taxes for him in 2019 and he passed away Mar 17 2020. I used my routing number so the check was deposited in my bank account. Wonder if I need to call the IRS and send it back or give it to his sister?

So, you did the tax preparation for a friend of yours last year (2018 taxes, payable in 2019), used your bank account routing information on his return, which means that his refund in 2019 was deposited in your account, correct? Now, you received his $1,200 stimulus payment (it's not a return...) in your account because that was the direct deposit information of record for your buddy. Is that also correct?

The biggest question you're going to need to have answered is if the payment only applies if the intended receiver is alive at the time of payment. If not, and there are provisions for survivorship, you'll need to give it to his family/executor. Then you need to disassociate your account from his name. That seems incredibly weird...


You are correct. I was his Power of Attorney and taking care of his money due to a fucking thief in his family ripping him off :mad: He had brain cancer :(

What I will do is have my lawyer buddy draw up a legal form that I gave the money to my buddies sister (executor). I will have her sign it and have it notarized with a witness. Should keep me out of jail LOL

OK, gotcha... That approach just seems strange to me - but I don't know (or need to know) the details. Sorry for your loss...
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Got my stimulus payment this morning. I was planning to buy some gear with it but meh probably just going to save it.


And yeah, we're comfortable right now. I took a pay cut on my job and Kimmi is also working less hours, but our cost of living is really low so we are fine. I can't imagine how those that were living paycheck to paycheck are doing now. I really can't blame people for starting to get anxious or angry about this situation.
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Pepi wrote:
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Pepi wrote:I'm wondering what to do with my buddies 1200.00 return. I filed his taxes for him in 2019 and he passed away Mar 17 2020. I used my routing number so the check was deposited in my bank account. Wonder if I need to call the IRS and send it back or give it to his sister?

So, you did the tax preparation for a friend of yours last year (2018 taxes, payable in 2019), used your bank account routing information on his return, which means that his refund in 2019 was deposited in your account, correct? Now, you received his $1,200 stimulus payment (it's not a return...) in your account because that was the direct deposit information of record for your buddy. Is that also correct?

The biggest question you're going to need to have answered is if the payment only applies if the intended receiver is alive at the time of payment. If not, and there are provisions for survivorship, you'll need to give it to his family/executor. Then you need to disassociate your account from his name. That seems incredibly weird...


You are correct. I was his Power of Attorney and taking care of his money due to a fucking thief in his family ripping him off :mad: He had brain cancer :(

What I will do is have my lawyer buddy draw up a legal form that I gave the money to my buddies sister (executor). I will have her sign it and have it notarized with a witness. Should keep me out of jail LOL



You don't need to hire a lawyer for this. All you need is a verifiable paper trail. Take the money out of your account through a cashier's check in her name, then send it to her via registered mail. That should take care of it.
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nightflameauto wrote:
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nightflameauto wrote:Apparently there was a 100+ person protest in Ohio with people screaming the cure is worse than the virus and we need to lift the social distancing restrictions. The lack of critical thinking skills in this country at this moment is really helping this situation along. :facepalm:


I mean to give them a fair shake some people are REALLY hurting from this economically. I mean prior to this we were living in a reality where 59% of people could not afford an unexpected bill of $500 or more. I would expect that group has quite a bit of overlap with the same people who cannot work from home and/or were laird off.

I get where certain people are coming from when they say the cure is worse than the virus for them personally. Ultimately I don't know what to do about those people.
Facts are for me personally I've been working from home and aside from my wife's pay cut (25%, so it isn't nothing) we're in good shape right now and for the foreseeable future so its easy for me to say "stay home" from my situation.
I know this isn't the case for many.

Yeah, and the sad reality is, our government dragging its feet every step of the way getting these people even the fairly insulting cushion check they're handing out isn't helping that situation any.

Our country, heck the whole world, is going to have to have a real hard think about whether we care about the people at the bottom, or if we've given into corporate think to the point where people as individuals no longer matter at all. And if we do care, what we're going to do to elevate folks to the point where this doesn't happen again. And again.

I'm also fairly comfortable right now, so I suppose I shouldn't judge those on the bottom. I'd be interested to see the demographics of the protesters, as at the moment that's not clear.


I'm with you 100%.
As for the demographics good point, I was making an assumption but given the current political, social media, and conspiracy theories it could be made up of any number of individuals at this point.

I guess ultimately all I was getting as is as much as on the one hand I'm annoyed with people being stupid and ignorant about this I'm also very sympathetic to those that are struggling and by the very nature of that struggle end up coming to some positions I wouldn't agree with.
Like I'm just imagining what I'm thinking we should be doing if I've got no pay check, little to no savings, no income, and the government telling me I can't work even though I want to and I'm not personally high risk.
Couple that with lots of spare time to stew and an active internet connection and its easy to see a lot of people doing things like this in the near future.
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GuitarBilly wrote:
Pepi wrote:
IndyWS6 wrote:
Pepi wrote:I'm wondering what to do with my buddies 1200.00 return. I filed his taxes for him in 2019 and he passed away Mar 17 2020. I used my routing number so the check was deposited in my bank account. Wonder if I need to call the IRS and send it back or give it to his sister?

So, you did the tax preparation for a friend of yours last year (2018 taxes, payable in 2019), used your bank account routing information on his return, which means that his refund in 2019 was deposited in your account, correct? Now, you received his $1,200 stimulus payment (it's not a return...) in your account because that was the direct deposit information of record for your buddy. Is that also correct?

The biggest question you're going to need to have answered is if the payment only applies if the intended receiver is alive at the time of payment. If not, and there are provisions for survivorship, you'll need to give it to his family/executor. Then you need to disassociate your account from his name. That seems incredibly weird...


You are correct. I was his Power of Attorney and taking care of his money due to a fucking thief in his family ripping him off :mad: He had brain cancer :(

What I will do is have my lawyer buddy draw up a legal form that I gave the money to my buddies sister (executor). I will have her sign it and have it notarized with a witness. Should keep me out of jail LOL



You don't need to hire a lawyer for this. All you need is a verifiable paper trail. Take the money out of your account through a cashier's check in her name, then send it to her via registered mail. That should take care of it.



He doesn't charge me ... Well maybe a 6 pack LOL. I'm sure your advise would be find but I DO NOT trust the IRS LOL
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Re: Coronavirus - WTH is going on?

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Just had a remote staff meeting. The Smithfield plant is now up to 400 tested positive. So we've taken a policy of anyone in the same household/roomates/etc. with Smithfield employees are currently on a two week quarantine. Couple other disappointing bits of news about hiring freezes and stopping IT spending while placing far more demands on IT, but that's standard business practice in an emergency.

We also have our third positive test in the plant this week. While that doesn't seem like much, considering two weeks ago we had none, end of last week we had two, well. . . :idk: . Too soon to predict a trend, but it's troubling at the very least.
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