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Ron Burgundy wrote:You know I haven't always worked from home, right? I used to be a road warrior in vendor management where I saw little of my own company.
One of my main vendors was in Atlanta.
Look, I'm not an enlightened white guy with all the answers. I don't have anecdotal evidence to support any stance other than my own, and that is I rarely experience or witness racism where the offending party actually intends to disrespect or cause harm to someone simply due to their skin color. On a human level, most people are just simply people that interact with other people, where any number of things cause friction that have nothing to do with race.
Does racism exist? Yeah, dude. To the mailman, dude you being a white guy walking the projects ain't normal, bro. Most of us simply don't experience that on a daily basis. That said, most of the time I'm in bad areas I see the same thing you do. Normal people that don't pay me no mind because they're wrapped up in their own world. Same way it is where I live, which is predominantly Indian/Chinese.
Shit isn't perfect but I think intended racism is relatively low compared to perceived racism.
I didn't mean to imply you always worked from home man and I'm happy for you that you haven't run across much of it.
Its certainly out there. In full force. I'm not saying KKK, cross burning, let's lynch a dude, but racist attitudes come across strongly in comments people make. I guess I don't see all that much difference from intended racism to perceived racism.
I probably come across as super bleeding heart on it (I tend to come across that way I think ) its just its a very real problem that too many folk aren't willing to admit to because there's always someone worse about it than they are.
I don't even worry about it. Know why? Because my intentions have nothing to do with race. So I don't think about it. Again, maybe I'm just naive. I just think racism is blamed more often than its actually a problem.
Once again, not saying it doesn't exist or there aren't legitimate claims. Id be willing to put money on a lot of perceived racism being a misunderstanding/miscommunication. I'be hung out with black people most of my life, mainly because I was shunned by the jock white kids, and I listen to soul music so I have played in black bands for half my 17 years of playing. From my limited experience, the majority of people around me that claimed racism were glossing over their own stupidity and labeling anything they didn't agree with as racist. Bitch forgot their beer? Racist bitch, missing the fact he drunkenly mumbled his drink order to himself because he was a career alcoholic on disability. However, that was far from the norm, bro. Most everyone that revolves through that band were just down to earth normal dudes. We drank beer and didn't give fucks
I wish I could say I never have to hear that shit.
Preach on man.....
Sample from last week heard from some Lady screaming inside her house (No reason to make this up)
"Hey....Where is Jimmy Staying at?" - Woman #1
""He still staying at that White Bitches house..." - Woman #2
Nice eh?
Not sure what she ment.....But I was thinking it was a racist remark.
And I only caught 15 seconds of that conversation.
Again, that's in the projects where people are poorly educated. Deliver mail at a trailer park and I'm sure you'll experience the opposite.
That doesn't make the majority of black or white people racist. That just indicates Jimmy knows some stupid people.
I have.....was a Rural Carrier before being a City Carrier. The Hillbillies are OUT!
I live outside the city. Never had a racial problem where I live. Do I think most people are good? You bet!! The Glass is always half full. But the Crap is still out there for sure. Extremists are always gonna be around.
Ron Burgundy wrote: I don't even worry about it. Know why? Because my intentions have nothing to do with race. So I don't think about it. Again, maybe I'm just naive. I just think racism is blamed more often than its actually a problem.
Once again, not saying it doesn't exist or there aren't legitimate claims. Id be willing to put money on a lot of perceived racism being a misunderstanding/miscommunication. I'be hung out with black people most of my life, mainly because I was shunned by the jock white kids, and I listen to soul music so I have played in black bands for half my 17 years of playing. From my limited experience, the majority of people around me that claimed racism were glossing over their own stupidity and labeling anything they didn't agree with as racist. Bitch forgot their beer? Racist bitch, missing the fact he drunkenly mumbled his drink order to himself because he was a career alcoholic on disability. However, that was far from the norm, bro. Most everyone that revolves through that band were just down to earth normal dudes. We drank beer and didn't give fucks
Your intentions may not, but lots of people's do. And it might even be subconscious, but that's often because they are reinforcing negative stereotypes about other groups. THAT certainly swings both ways, its just one group tends to hold most of the power.
It is unfortunate that there are those that cry "racism" at every chance because it cheapens the actual struggle that is still going on, and gives those tacit racists fodder to sit pat in their incorrect beliefs.
Miscommunication and misunderstanding is certainly a part of it I do agree.
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Most people are inherently good and at the worst a bit self absorbed. Of course there's still shit out there but it's pretty easy to avoid or overlook. Pay them no mind and eventually it slows down the power of racism.
Most people are inherently good and at the worst a bit self absorbed. Of course there's still shit out there but it's pretty easy to avoid or overlook. Pay them no mind and eventually it slows down the power of racism.
Yeah man!! Lot of young guys asked how I got the job.....told them I did some military time....and then applied.... I never ever JUDGE ANYONE from first dealings. Cool with me.....cool with you. Lot of guys just have no idea whats up outside the hood. Seriously. Friends with alot of good people for sure. But dickheads will be dickheads.
Personally I do not feel the school, parents, any other relatives, bus driver or anyone else is responsible in any way. The only people responsible is the people that did the attack. I see people as individuals ..... they should be judged that way.
There is plenty of hate around .... it goes way beyond race.
I find it hard to believe this child of 13 did not understand if you narc someone off it might lead to retaliation ..... not that it was not wrong. How could he live to be that age & not understand that ?
The fact that Stephen appears from nowhere, is sentenced to death in an emotional public trial without anyone interfering at all and is then altogether forgotten as if nothing happened, is already suspicious.
stephen sawall wrote:Personally I do not feel the school, parents, any other relatives, bus driver or anyone else is responsible in any way. The only people responsible is the people that did the attack. I see people as individuals ..... they should be judged that way.
There is plenty of hate around .... it goes way beyond race.
I find it hard to believe this child of 13 did not understand if you narc someone off it might lead to retaliation ..... not that it was not wrong. How could he live to be that age & not understand that ?
The school encourages kids to report shit like drug dealing. When this 13 year old does just that he then gets packed on a school bus to get railed?
Are you fucking kidding me?
They need to protect the kids that try to do their part.
The aggressors' parents? Again, they raised violent thugs, so yes they should be held accountable. Their lack of decent parenting led to 3 losers that are violently dealing drugs at 15 years old.
stephen sawall wrote:Personally I do not feel the school, parents, any other relatives, bus driver or anyone else is responsible in any way. The only people responsible is the people that did the attack. I see people as individuals ..... they should be judged that way.
There is plenty of hate around .... it goes way beyond race.
I find it hard to believe this child of 13 did not understand if you narc someone off it might lead to retaliation ..... not that it was not wrong. How could he live to be that age & not understand that ?
The school encourages kids to report shit like drug dealing. When this 13 year old does just that he then gets packed on a school bus to get railed?
Are you fucking kidding me?
They need to protect the kids that try to do their part.
The aggressors' parents? Again, they raised violent thugs, so yes they should be held accountable. Their lack of decent parenting led to 3 losers that are violently dealing drugs at 15 years old.
I do not believe the school can really protect the children most of the time ...the child is not in school most of the time & what are they going to do ... transfer the child to a other school district ? Put armed guards around the child ? What could they do that would guarantee anyone's safety ?
I know lots of good parents that had children that had horrible behavior. My parents are no more responsible for my behavior than I am responsible for their's. These kids are not 5 years old .... they know the difference between right and wrong & decided to be violent.
I still believe it is only about the individual behavior. People should only be judged as individuals.
The fact that Stephen appears from nowhere, is sentenced to death in an emotional public trial without anyone interfering at all and is then altogether forgotten as if nothing happened, is already suspicious.
15 year olds are still under their parents' care. If they don't know the difference between right and wrong then the parents have failed. I'm sorry, but the parents of the kids in that video are failures.
Where do 15 year old kids get their sense of right and wrong?
Ron Burgundy wrote:15 year olds are still under their parents' care. If they don't know the difference between right and wrong then the parents have failed. I'm sorry, but the parents of the kids in that video are failures.
Where do 15 year old kids get their sense of right and wrong?
I believe that is a individual thing .... we all get our sense of right and wrong from many experiences. I do not blame the parents of every bad person. I would guess your average 6 year old would understand this is wrong ..... by 15 everyone should.
The fact that Stephen appears from nowhere, is sentenced to death in an emotional public trial without anyone interfering at all and is then altogether forgotten as if nothing happened, is already suspicious.
Ron Burgundy wrote:15 year olds are still under their parents' care. If they don't know the difference between right and wrong then the parents have failed. I'm sorry, but the parents of the kids in that video are failures.
Where do 15 year old kids get their sense of right and wrong?
I believe that is a individual thing .... we all get our sense of right and wrong from many experiences. I do not blame the parents of every bad person. I would guess your average 6 year old would understand this is wrong ..... by 15 everyone should.
So what about the 8 year old screaming "Where my check at Mutha Fucka?" He half guilty??
Ron Burgundy wrote:15 year olds are still under their parents' care. If they don't know the difference between right and wrong then the parents have failed. I'm sorry, but the parents of the kids in that video are failures.
Where do 15 year old kids get their sense of right and wrong?
I believe that is a individual thing .... we all get our sense of right and wrong from many experiences. I do not blame the parents of every bad person. I would guess your average 6 year old would understand this is wrong ..... by 15 everyone should.
Hmmm, I don't agree. Make their parents discipline them. Parents are legally responsible for their kids at 15 years old.
Ron Burgundy wrote:15 year olds are still under their parents' care. If they don't know the difference between right and wrong then the parents have failed. I'm sorry, but the parents of the kids in that video are failures.
Where do 15 year old kids get their sense of right and wrong?
I believe that is a individual thing .... we all get our sense of right and wrong from many experiences. I do not blame the parents of every bad person. I would guess your average 6 year old would understand this is wrong ..... by 15 everyone should.
Hmmm, I don't agree. Make their parents discipline them. Parents are legally responsible for their kids at 15 years old.
Obviously I am playing the devil advocate .... and I do some what agree with your view. But ...
We have all known good people that have more than one child - one turns out to be a good person the other does not. Both children are raised with the same parents, environment, ethics & morals.
The other problem being we are teaching these three children they are not responsible for their behavior ... later in life when they do other bad things they can blame their parents, the schools, society, etc .... they believe they are a victim & not responsible for their own behavior. We are not just teaching this to these three children ...all the children and individuals that see this.
I strongly believe in personal accountability.
Mailman1971 wrote: So what about the 8 year old screaming "Where my check at Mutha Fucka?" He half guilty??
I blame you .... why did you not have the check ?
The fact that Stephen appears from nowhere, is sentenced to death in an emotional public trial without anyone interfering at all and is then altogether forgotten as if nothing happened, is already suspicious.
But when does "personal accountability" start? What age? For most of this stuff, our society just picks a number out of the air: 16 for driving, 18 for voting, 21 for alcohol, etc. As a parent, I agree that the parents should be held at least partially accountable until whatever our society decides is the "age of majority."
That is a good question Yarbicus ..... It was only a few centuries ago many people were married & on their own by age 15. It is still common in some parts of the world. I would make it age 13 because by that age most people have a basic grasp of the differences between right & wrong. Many people much younger.... I am sure many would disagree.
The fact that Stephen appears from nowhere, is sentenced to death in an emotional public trial without anyone interfering at all and is then altogether forgotten as if nothing happened, is already suspicious.
stephen sawall wrote:That is a good question Yarbicus ..... It was only a few centuries ago many people were married & on their own by age 15. It is still common in some parts of the world. I would make it age 13 because by that age most people have a basic grasp of the differences between right & wrong. Many people much younger.... I am sure many would disagree.
Unfortunately, as a college teacher, I find too often that nurture overcomes nature in this area. So many have absolutely no respect for teachers (or any authority, probably) and when I meet the parents (happens FAR too often) I see where it comes from.
It is a debate pretty much as old as philosophy itself, I imagine.
stephen sawall wrote:That is a good question Yarbicus ..... It was only a few centuries ago many people were married & on their own by age 15. It is still common in some parts of the world. I would make it age 13 because by that age most people have a basic grasp of the differences between right & wrong. Many people much younger.... I am sure many would disagree.
Unfortunately, as a college teacher, I find too often that nurture overcomes nature in this area. So many have absolutely no respect for teachers (or any authority, probably) and when I meet the parents (happens FAR too often) I see where it comes from.
It is a debate pretty much as old as philosophy itself, I imagine.
I believe we all have seen this .... and agree it is not a simple issue.
OT ..... A Sharp Music is having their annual one day sale on Saturday the 17th ..... some things are marked as much as 90% on that day only. I am going to see if I can get a few pedals.
The fact that Stephen appears from nowhere, is sentenced to death in an emotional public trial without anyone interfering at all and is then altogether forgotten as if nothing happened, is already suspicious.
Marc G wrote:what's sickening is that the bus driver did nothing... what kind of fucked up "policy" can there be to stop an ADULT from stepping in to assist a CHILD... and what's worse is Pierce Morgan saying and you're 64... such shit...
Yeah, and the bus driver lays a hand on one of those "poor kids" and he gets sued and thrown in jail.
isn't that half the problem though? It's like no one trusts any adult to use their digression any more, like an adult doesn't know the difference between breaking up a fight and beating the shit out of the attackers... it's almost like the laws have paralyzed people in to inaction no matter the situation....
When I get old, I'm going to go about town with a purpose. That purpose is to smack the shit out of unruly kids who walk on my lawn, don't open my door, complain about life, who do not maintain low tones, call me sir or maestro, etc.
If they don't, boy, I'm gonna bitch slap them. A closed fist punch says, "I respect you and your physical ability to fight back," where a bitch slap says, "You are weak, you pose no threat."
Ron Burgundy wrote:I saw far more racism in Ohio of all places. Dallas is a huge melting pot of every race/background. Is there some racism? Sure.
Yeah, that's probably true. Dallas and Austin are pretty urbane. Houston and San Antonio on the other hand...
I've lived in San Antonio almost my entire life. I disagree. San Antonio is mostly Hispanic and White. There isn't any ramped up, evident racial tension going on here.
) its just its a very real problem that too many folk aren't willing to admit to because there's always someone worse about it than they are.
