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Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:44 pm
by Lloyd Blankfein
rear naked wrote:
Are you one of those people who think context doesn't matter?
no, I'm one of those people that keeps french midgets from Texas in line.
If we're discussing racism, context doesn't matter. A racist word is a racist word.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:48 pm
by Mailman1971
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:52 pm
by soundgardener75
I was bullied in elementary since I was short. Going to high school as I was getting taller, I realized the only way for people to leave you alone is to make 'em think you're a Satanist. Being in a predominantly Catholic country and on private schools (and later college), people freaked out when they see you into those "Satanic"'music (thrash, metal and hard rock for us regular folks). So they left me alone.
Bullying sucks, it seems to just keeps getting worse whichever part of the world you're at, and the mental scarring that leaves you if you don't get over it will affect their social interaction. What's worse is that with modern technology, you see these being filmed with a regular cellphone and uploaded to youtube for everyone to see, I feel terrible coming across those vids.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:55 pm
by Lloyd Blankfein
soundgardener75 wrote:I feel terrible coming across those vids.
But then you come across those videos where the fat kid getting bullied just absolutely smears the pavement with the bully. Total ass whipping ensues.
Feels good because that fat kid will basically be cool all the way through his senior year in high school.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:58 pm
by GuitarBilly
Lloyd Blankfein wrote:soundgardener75 wrote:I feel terrible coming across those vids.
But then you come across those videos where the fat kid getting bullied just absolutely smears the pavement with the bully. Total ass whipping ensues.
Feels good because that fat kid will basically be cool all the way through his senior year in high school.
But of course, he could also have avoided the whole situation altogether by simply eating less cheeseburgers. But let's not get into that either.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:04 pm
by primeholy
GuitarBilly wrote:Yeah but being part of a minority I see this kind of shit all the time:
white dude beats someone up, ends up in jail.
"Hey why did you go to jail?"
"I beat the fuck out of someone"
minority dude beats someone up, ends up in jail.
"Hey why did you go to jail?"
"Because I am black/latino"
Fact. I have friends of my own race that don't know how to act, get in trouble and says its discrimination. Fact, fact, fact.
How about you stop breaking the law FIRST and THEN see if there is so much discrimination??
FWIW, my brown ass was never arrested... and last I checked CharvelDan is white as fuck....
YMMV.
lol
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:07 pm
by Mailman1971
I walk thru the projects 9 hours a day......6 days a week. I have over 600 stops on my route.....and there isnt a white family at all. Lots of very cool people.....lots of assholes. And the assholes are both OLD and young.
I grew up poor.....went to a mixed race school. Had friends of all races. The bullies have always been there.....and will always be here. Fact of life. I see in the area I deliver at alot of people struggling to keep it together....
and alot of people that dont give a shit. Yes racism is out of control. I hear it and see it daily. Mostly talk out of the Young guys......but its all over. Am I shocked?? Do I call Fox News? Nope.....thats how it is. I am a white male early 40's. They all call me the the "tattoo Mail Dude..."
Everyone is cool with me. take my uniform off.....drive thru the streets in my own car. I dont think they would be too cool to me. I seen beatdowns in the streets.....Gunfire....drug deals.....etc. Dont seem like it will get better any time soon.
Little kids...maybe 8 years old walk up to me...."Got my check Mutha Fucka...."
Sad....but its what they hear and see. We only see the shit that the news posts. Waaaaaaaaaay more
going on that never EVER gets on camera.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:19 pm
by primeholy
Guy at work today in the break room dropped the nbomb twice trying to be "cool" and racist at the same time, cause both times he said it he looked up to see people's reaction.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:19 pm
by Mailman1971
And yes......this is where I deliver at.....
Voted the most Violent City per capita By the FBI couple years back. Hasnt gotten any better.
http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index ... aw_th.html
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:21 pm
by Mailman1971
primeholy wrote:Guy at work today in the break room dropped the nbomb twice trying to be "cool" and racist at the same time, cause both times he said it he looked up to see people's reaction.
If he wants a reaction.....have him bust a glass coke bottle over his head. People will really look at him then instead of uttering a word.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:21 pm
by Krunchmeister
Yarbicus wrote:Ron Burgundy wrote:Don't join the moron parade. No one said white people are being treated unfairly due to their skin color. I said this kid was treated unfairly because he was smaller than the aggressors. Further, I said bullying is way more of a problem than racism, however once something is tagged with racism, it becomes a national media circus. Much like Zimmerman bullying Martin. He saw a kid he thought he could pick on and bully. Is ridiculous and needs to be labeled correctly.
OK, now here's a post that makes some sense. Sorry I couldn't put this all together myself from the rest of the thread.
Not sure I can agree that bullying is more of a problem that racism, though. Interesting statement, though. How much of racism is actually bullying? Those of one race know that they will have back up if they bully another race? Just like the bigger picking on the smaller, I suppose.
Interesting.
Hate to waste my 100th post on a rant but here goes.
I agree that racism can lead to abhorrent behaviour such as bullying. I think intimidation was part of the Zimmerman case but both parties showed signs of it. Result was like bringing a brick to a gun fight. I am white and have been profiled,discriminated against and bullied and only twice was it not done by other whites.People do bad things for bad reasons and racism or bullying isnt limited to stupid poor white people .
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:23 pm
by Dave
I go about my normal day and hardly ever experience acts of racism.
Do you all watch for this stuff? Make it up?
Like I seriously go about my day and rarely have any problems, never get introduced to Klan members, don't get called racial slurs (typically) and for the most part just live a normal average life. Most of my coworkers and friends from all races/ages/whatever experience the same thing.
Don't take the news out of context and assume we still have lynchings here in Texas. We don't put up with that crap, we are angry for all kinds of other reasons. Like the heat and Rick perry.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:23 pm
by DNW
Ron Burgundy wrote:Lloyd Blankfein wrote:I think the worst part of the video, at least as a barometer to what society has become [and where it's going] isn't so much the ass beating (kids have been whipping eachothers asses for a long time)- its the fact that the adult on that bus, the bus driver, has his hands tied by ridiculous liability rules from the districts.
To me, that's the unfuckingbelievable part. The lawmaker there should be sued to kingdom come.
No.
the rule was he didn't *have* to intervene and he chose to take that route. he could have intervened per his district's policy.
The "rule" you speak of, they referred to as "school policy". The school can put whatever the fuck they want in their own policies, but it doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't end up in court anyway. With the kinds of bullshit lawsuits around these days, I wouldn't be surprised if he thought, "I can't physically intervene, coz I'll get absolutely fucked for it." Next week we'll hear about someone somewhere else who did step in and is being sued for it.
TU BE wrote:Marc G wrote:I'm sorry... even though he is 64 years old he could have stopped it.. if he stopped the bus and just stepped in they would have stopped... they are kids and in the end they would see an adult as an authority figure...
Ok , I gotta disagree with this. Us older guys remember when this was absolutely true. Most kids today have ZERO respect for adults or authority. This generation has a lack of parenting in the upbringing of today's kids. And YES, I am gonna go here, but did Treyvon "respect" Zimmerman because he was an adult and acting as an authority figure in a neighborhood watch? No, he punched him and beat his head into the sidewalk. When I was 17 and an adult approached me, I acted with respect. Why? My parents taught me to do that. If I didn't respect my mom or dad (or any adult and they found out), I got punished (usually via an ass whooping).
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:27 pm
by primeholy
Ron Burgundy wrote:I go about my normal day and hardly ever experience acts of racism.
Do you all watch for this stuff? Make it up?
Like I seriously go about my day and rarely have any problems, never get introduced to Klan members, don't get called racial slurs (typically) and for the most part just live a normal average life. Most of my coworkers and friends from all races/ages/whatever experience the same thing.
Don't take the news out of context and assume we still have lynchings here in Texas. We don't put up with that crap, we are angry for all kinds of other reasons. Like the heat and Rick perry.
I live and work in a small town in Tennessee.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:30 pm
by ovid9
Ron Burgundy wrote:I go about my normal day and hardly ever experience acts of racism.
Do you all watch for this stuff? Make it up?
Like I seriously go about my day and rarely have any problems, never get introduced to Klan members, don't get called racial slurs (typically) and for the most part just live a normal average life. Most of my coworkers and friends from all races/ages/whatever experience the same thing.
Don't take the news out of context and assume we still have lynchings here in Texas. We don't put up with that crap, we are angry for all kinds of other reasons. Like the heat and Rick perry.
You work from home RB. You also work for a big national bank. Not to say there aren't plenty of white collar racists as there are, they just generally have enough....self-awareness to know when its acceptable to be a racist asshat. I hear it pretty much on a daily basis as the only black guy in my store (well, in our building) works in my department. The shit people say, ugh.
I wish I could say I never have to hear that shit.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:31 pm
by Mailman1971
Ron Burgundy wrote:Do you all watch for this stuff? Make it up?
I dont watch for it......nor do I make it up. I walk do down the street just being aware of whats going on and hear and see it. My job isnt the norm. I have to go to peoples houses and porches....so I see and hear quite a bit. Some disturbing....but like I said...lot of good folks out there but seems to be more nasty racist people. Wish I was making it up.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:33 pm
by Mailman1971
ovid9 wrote: The shit people say, ugh.
I wish I could say I never have to hear that shit.
Preach on man.....
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:38 pm
by Stratz
Ron Burgundy wrote:I go about my normal day and hardly ever experience acts of racism.
Do you all watch for this stuff? Make it up?
Like I seriously go about my day and rarely have any problems, never get introduced to Klan members, don't get called racial slurs (typically) and for the most part just live a normal average life. Most of my coworkers and friends from all races/ages/whatever experience the same thing.
Don't take the news out of context and assume we still have lynchings here in Texas. We don't put up with that crap, we are angry for all kinds of other reasons. Like the heat and Rick perry.
If it is not a problem for you then everyone else must be making it up lol
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:42 pm
by ovid9
Mailman1971 wrote:ovid9 wrote: The shit people say, ugh.
I wish I could say I never have to hear that shit.
Preach on man.....
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:45 pm
by Dave
ovid9 wrote:Ron Burgundy wrote:I go about my normal day and hardly ever experience acts of racism.
Do you all watch for this stuff? Make it up?
Like I seriously go about my day and rarely have any problems, never get introduced to Klan members, don't get called racial slurs (typically) and for the most part just live a normal average life. Most of my coworkers and friends from all races/ages/whatever experience the same thing.
Don't take the news out of context and assume we still have lynchings here in Texas. We don't put up with that crap, we are angry for all kinds of other reasons. Like the heat and Rick perry.
You work from home RB. You also work for a big national bank. Not to say there aren't plenty of white collar racists as there are, they just generally have enough....self-awareness to know when its acceptable to be a racist asshat. I hear it pretty much on a daily basis as the only black guy in my store (well, in our building) works in my department. The shit people say, ugh.
I wish I could say I never have to hear that shit.
You know I haven't always worked from home, right? I used to be a road warrior in vendor management where I saw little of my own company.
One of my main vendors was in Atlanta.
Look, I'm not an enlightened white guy with all the answers. I don't have anecdotal evidence to support any stance other than my own, and that is I rarely experience or witness racism where the offending party actually intends to disrespect or cause harm to someone simply due to their skin color. On a human level, most people are just simply people that interact with other people, where any number of things cause friction that have nothing to do with race.
Does racism exist? Yeah, dude. To the mailman, dude you being a white guy walking the projects ain't normal, bro. Most of us simply don't experience that on a daily basis. That said, most of the time I'm in bad areas I see the same thing you do. Normal people that don't pay me no mind because they're wrapped up in their own world. Same way it is where I live, which is predominantly Indian/Chinese.
Shit isn't perfect but I think intended racism is relatively low compared to perceived racism.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:46 pm
by Mailman1971
ovid9 wrote:Mailman1971 wrote:ovid9 wrote: The shit people say, ugh.
I wish I could say I never have to hear that shit.
Preach on man.....
Sample from last week heard from some Lady screaming inside her house (No reason to make this up)
"Hey....Where is Jimmy Staying at?" - Woman #1
""He still staying at that White Bitches house..." - Woman #2
Nice eh?
Not sure what she ment.....But I was thinking it was a racist remark.
And I only caught 15 seconds of that conversation.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:49 pm
by Dave
Mailman1971 wrote:ovid9 wrote:Mailman1971 wrote:ovid9 wrote: The shit people say, ugh.
I wish I could say I never have to hear that shit.
Preach on man.....
Sample from last week heard from some Lady screaming inside her house (No reason to make this up)
"Hey....Where is Jimmy Staying at?" - Woman #1
""He still staying at that White Bitches house..." - Woman #2
Nice eh?
Not sure what she ment.....But I was thinking it was a racist remark.
And I only caught 15 seconds of that conversation.
Again, that's in the projects where people are poorly educated. Deliver mail at a trailer park and I'm sure you'll experience the opposite.
That doesn't make the majority of black or white people racist. That just indicates Jimmy knows some stupid people.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:51 pm
by ovid9
Ron Burgundy wrote:You know I haven't always worked from home, right? I used to be a road warrior in vendor management where I saw little of my own company.
One of my main vendors was in Atlanta.
Look, I'm not an enlightened white guy with all the answers. I don't have anecdotal evidence to support any stance other than my own, and that is I rarely experience or witness racism where the offending party actually intends to disrespect or cause harm to someone simply due to their skin color. On a human level, most people are just simply people that interact with other people, where any number of things cause friction that have nothing to do with race.
Does racism exist? Yeah, dude. To the mailman, dude you being a white guy walking the projects ain't normal, bro. Most of us simply don't experience that on a daily basis. That said, most of the time I'm in bad areas I see the same thing you do. Normal people that don't pay me no mind because they're wrapped up in their own world. Same way it is where I live, which is predominantly Indian/Chinese.
Shit isn't perfect but I think intended racism is relatively low compared to perceived racism.
I didn't mean to imply you always worked from home man and I'm happy for you that you haven't run across much of it.
Its certainly out there. In full force. I'm not saying KKK, cross burning, let's lynch a dude, but racist attitudes come across strongly in comments people make. I guess I don't see all that much difference from intended racism to perceived racism.
I probably come across as super bleeding heart on it (I tend to come across that way I think
) its just its a very real problem that too many folk aren't willing to admit to because there's always someone worse about it than they are.
Full disclosure, I struggle myself with not being horrifically judgemental about poor white trash. I live in a town that's essentially populated with them (yay low home prices! *sigh* ) and I find myself assuming all sorts of stuff about people. Odds are its true, still doesn't mean I should be making the assumptions I do.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:52 pm
by Mailman1971
Ron Burgundy wrote:Does racism exist? Yeah, dude. To the mailman, dude you being a white guy walking the projects ain't normal, bro. Most of us simply don't experience that on a daily basis. That said, most of the time I'm in bad areas I see the same thing you do. Normal people that don't pay me no mind because they're wrapped up in their own world.
You got that right RB.....
I talk to the Fed Ex guys/UPS guys I see on the route and we all share the same stories...
I see little more since I am on foot. But yeah...its a messed up place out there.
Re: 3 black kids beat the tar out of a 13 year old white kid
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:56 pm
by Danyeo
Marc G wrote:what's sickening is that the bus driver did nothing... what kind of fucked up "policy" can there be to stop an ADULT from stepping in to assist a CHILD... and what's worse is Pierce Morgan saying and you're 64... such shit...
Yeah, and the bus driver lays a hand on one of those "poor kids" and he gets sued and thrown in jail.
