Jeffrey Epstein commits “suicide”

[ajaxlepinski]

The problem is greed . Deadly sin # fuck you I got mine and I'll take yours too .

Greed is a very serious issue.... it is at the root of a very large portion of evil.
Xi Jin Ping said, "Americans are easy to control... all you have to do is offer them money".

[Yarbicus]

The problem is greed . Deadly sin # fuck you I got mine and I'll take yours too .

Greed is a very serious issue.... it is at the root of a very large portion of evil.
Xi Jin Ping said, "Americans are easy to control... all you have to do is offer them money".

Well, money and children, apparently...

[GuitarBilly]

Keeping this open for now with just a reminder for you all not to turn this into a political shitfest.

I'm sure there are plenty of powerful people out there with reasons to kill this guy. However the perspective of going to prison as a convicted wholesale child molester is probably enough motivation for someone to kill himself. So both the conspiracy theory and the actual narrative are completely plausible and my guess is that we will never know or be fully convinced one way or the other.

[IndyWS6]

Personally, I think this is exactly what it looks like. A shitbag that realized there was no way in hell he was going to get a second free pass and, faced with the prospect of a life in prison as a convicted sex offender (and all that entails), decided to end it. Were there a number of high-profile/powerful/wealthy people concerned with what a deep-dive into his finances and relationships might uncover? Absolutely. Did they conspire to have him killed? I don't think so. I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. To believe in one like this would require me to believe that dozens of those rich, powerful people were able to come together, plan, coordinate and execute (literally) without anyone knowing or talking. The logistics get so large, so fast, that it simply doesn't make sense. Most likely, he was taken off "suicide watch" by an inept system and was left alone for extended periods of time because no one really cared what happened to him. Did money change hands to coerce the ineptness? Maybe, but probably not. Again, it would be too easy to uncover the details and, you can bet your life, they will be looking at that for a long time. Dead or alive, those details would come out, so conspiring to kill him would just bring unwanted attention. If the rich and powerful are conspiring, they're working to find ways to explain the financial and "business" ties to limit the blowback. That's what the secret discussions are centered on.

Just my .02...

[EndTime]

So apparently, Y’Know, there’s cameras everywhere in jail. Not inside his cell but plenty outside his cell. So maybe we could see if anyone came to his cell or just whatever. I mean just start the investigation with that. Apparently they “stopped working” for that period of time. His autopsy was done and the medical examiner won’t release any info “pending further information “. Haha. Smells a little fishy. (Looks for a smilie smelling a fish.. I’m disappointed)

[Marc G]

there's soooo much about this that's just.... off.... cameras go down, cellmate transferred..... I don't think an assassin was involved but it wouldn't surprise me if he was pressured or persuaded in to killing himself.... but I would say, if it was just a matter of him saying fuck it and there was no external involvement, WTF are the chances really of the cameras going down and the cellmate being transferred at the same time... because I would think that's a slim to no chance situation, and if it's not that's prettyyyyy worrying lol

[sleewell]

. To believe in one like this would require me to believe that dozens of those rich, powerful people were able to come together, plan, coordinate and execute (literally) without anyone knowing or talking.

I'm guessing almost everything is decided and carried out that exact way. the peasants are certainly not calling the shots through open and transparent meetings and dialogue with the public.

[IndyWS6]

. To believe in one like this would require me to believe that dozens of those rich, powerful people were able to come together, plan, coordinate and execute (literally) without anyone knowing or talking.

I'm guessing almost everything is decided and carried out that exact way. the peasants are certainly not calling the shots through open and transparent meetings and dialogue with the public.

The unstated follow-on is that the rich & powerful wouldn't get their hands dirty. Underlings would be needed to get in the trenches for that part. Underlings always talk. Something at that level could never be kept quiet, so the conspiracy theory falls apart...

[ajaxlepinski]

The FBI finally searched Epstein's Pedo Island home yesterday.
It sure took them a long time - he was arrested on July 6th.
That's plenty of time for any evidence to have been cleaned up.

[fretless]

now if the madam turns up dead then we need to call Sherlock .

[EndTime]

The FBI finally searched Epstein's Pedo Island home yesterday.
It sure took them a long time - he was arrested on July 6th.
That's plenty of time for any evidence to have been cleaned up.

William Barr and others are talking a big game about this doesn’t end because he’s dead.

And This is exactly how this is all SUPPOSED to play out. Outrage from people like Barr, a whole bunch of “we will still prosecute people who may be involved.. Heads are gonna roll” etc etc.

And here’s what’s gonna happen. There will be people prosecuted who are linked to Epstein’s little sex racket, even a couple “b level” politicians or “names”, but none of the big dogs. No Clinton, no other world leader. So the most complicit will still skate free and some “lesser” people take the fall and a handful of them will die by “suicide” as well. Print this post. It’ll happen.

[clipless bumper]

[........And here’s what’s gonna happen. There will be people prosecuted who are linked to Epstein’s little sex racket, even a couple “b level” politicians or “names”, but none of the big dogs. No Clinton, no other world leader. So the most complicit will still skate free and some “lesser” people take the fall and a handful of them will die by “suicide” as well. Print this post. It’ll happen.

sadly - I agree with you - hoping I'm wrong - but not holding my breath

[ajaxlepinski]

I agree too. It is unfortunate because, Epstein's death has already weakened our already weak justice system bigly.
Unless someone at the top is hung out to dry, our justice system will appear to be no different than Russia's.

[redeyes]

It's a little odd that you guys care about this so much .. on a guitar forum. I have no fucking idea who this guy is and don't care one bit.

[lester]

He was a pedo that may have had the ability to bring down a lot of other pedos. So yeah, not getting that info before his death is a big deal.

[G-Zod]

I heard there’s so many they will need a pedometer. I guess the guy was no Einstein.

[Ostinato Rubato]

It's a little odd that you guys care about this so much .. on a guitar forum. I have no fucking idea who this guy is and don't care one bit.

Don't know why it's odd. We discuss a lot of things and this is a very relevant current news story.

You should care about things more, or pay a little more attention to what's going on around you. Or don't but let us do so. Thanks.

[ajaxlepinski]

It's a little odd that you guys care about this so much .. on a guitar forum. I have no fucking idea who this guy is and don't care one bit.

Man does not live on guitars alone....

[IndyWS6]

"Man does not live on guitar alone".

You bite your tong... <drops guitar> Hey, look, boobs!

[Thurston]

Turns out that these things are primarily driven by temperament and by moral leanings that seem to be inherent in each individual from birth. There's a lot of research that shows that you don't really choose how you lean, which is why you have families that argue and bicker over politics even though they're all born and raised in similar ways with similar values instilled at home. We're all essentially right or left since birth.

Where did you see/hear this?

[ajaxlepinski]

Maybe, people are born to bicker and to be selfish from birth and we learn, on our own, what we consider to be right and wrong, how to care or not care, etc., regardless of family?

[Ostinato Rubato]

Turns out that these things are primarily driven by temperament and by moral leanings that seem to be inherent in each individual from birth. There's a lot of research that shows that you don't really choose how you lean, which is why you have families that argue and bicker over politics even though they're all born and raised in similar ways with similar values instilled at home. We're all essentially right or left since birth.

Where did you see/hear this?

There have been several psychologists and social scientists studying this issue at length. Some of the best work on this has been done by Jonathan Haidt who founded The Heterodox Academy that seeks to unify left and right perspective within the academy due to it having become very monolithic to the left, which has weakened and threatened education and research on the whole.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SOQduoLgRw&t=362s[/youtube]

[ajaxlepinski]

I'm not saying that psychologists and social scientists are always wrong but, they are certainly not always right.
It is impossible to prove that people are born with a certain set of values, sexual orientation or, sense of right and wrong.
It's more likely that, people are born with a certain capacity for intelligence - that capacity determines how well they will be able to understand themselves, how well they will interpret the world around them and how well they will be able to survive.
Hence, the expression: "He's not playing with a full deck".

[EndTime]

It's a little odd that you guys care about this so much .. on a guitar forum. I have no fucking idea who this guy is and don't care one bit.

Care is a strong word. More like a morbid curiosity cause who really cares about this dude. He likes teenage girls. It’s not good.l cause it was against some of these girls will. So he’s a grade a piece of shit. But at lest, I think, he ain’t fucking babies. Cause those dudes are literally the sewer of humanity. But he had all the worlds elite fucking teenage girls with him! And for me, I laugh when we put people in “power”. It’s just how I am. I don’t give any other human that distinction because I know they are just you and me but with a different set of rules and we/they all act like they aren’t out there living complete shitfests complete with murders all to keep their sordid lifestyles secret and to themselves. So when one of their own is on the hot seat, for real, it’s fun to watch the facade crumble that little bit more.

[ajaxlepinski]

It's a little odd that you guys care about this so much .. on a guitar forum. I have no fucking idea who this guy is and don't care one bit.

Care is a strong word. More like a morbid curiosity cause who really cares about this dude. He likes teenage girls. It’s not good.l cause it was against some of these girls will. So he’s a grade a piece of shit. But at lest, I think, he ain’t fucking babies. Cause those dudes are literally the sewer of humanity. But he had all the worlds elite fucking teenage girls with him! And for me, I laugh when we put people in “power”. It’s just how I am. I don’t give any other human that distinction because I know they are just you and me but with a different set of rules and we/they all act like they aren’t out there living complete shitfests complete with murders all to keep their sordid lifestyles secret and to themselves. So when one of their own is on the hot seat, for real, it’s fun to watch the facade crumble that little bit more.

I wish there was a way to weed out the crazy people and prevent them from getting into politics and law enforcement.
Unfortunately, money and selfish behavior will ALWAYS fuck things up.
Bribing people with money, sex, booze, drugs, etc. has always been the downfall of businesses and countries.
Many businesses and civilizations collapsed because, they began promoting people into positions of power by nepotism (or ass kissing), not by merit... thereby, creating a downward spiral of bad decision making and final doom.
It's a very good thing that any President can only serve for 8 years.