Any religion/philosophy folks make the migration from HC?

[diablogato22]

Ummm, I majored in philosophy in college....does that count?

I'm not going to debate that madness online though. If anyone is in Kansas City and wants to drink beer and talk about Foucault, then I'm down.

Btw, missingagstring...I bought a bare knuckles tell pickup from you in Houston about 3 years ago. I was the guy whose car was spewing radiator fluid everywhere. How have you been?

I'm actually gonna be playing in KC at the first of March...well, the 2nd of March

[treedroppings]

The Buddha likes Parachute flares, Platoon said so!

[sleewell]

What are your opinions on catholicism, raping kids and the pope?

It makes me want to vomit and I don't see how anyone could support them after they tried covering it all up. Those are peoples entire worlds getting ruined by a monster and then the pope tries to cover it up to save the religion which is basically a money grab.

I don't hate a lot people but I hate them and I hope they rot in hell.

[sleewell]

Wasn't meant to be funny, are you a catholic?

[sleewell]

an organization starts and ends at the top. once the top knew about this and did nothing or tried to cover it up while more innocent boys and their families lives were ruined thats when the entire organization is to blame. people who continue to support them are to blame.

[sleewell]

there are plenty of jobs here. there are however are too many people who are too lazy to actually work but that is a seperate issue. if there were fewer free govt handouts people would be forced to earn their own way.

i dont think its wrong at all to blame an organization for covering up child rape. i am sorry if that makes no sense to you but maybe you should consider your own child getting wrapped up in this and then the church covering it up, moving the pedophile to another church where he did the same thing.

not exactly an organization i want to support.

[sleewell]

ahhhhhh, 4 posts in and now the insults come out. great work dude, that really spurs great debate.


you are an idiot for thinking the way you do


no you are an idiot, moron


i called you an idiot first, you cant call me one back moron


hey i just called you that


this is why i dont particpate in these discussions. if you dont believe what someone else does they are a moron. basically if you lack the skills to have a legitmate discourse you just resort to calling someone an idiot.

yes, you are smarter than me. you know more about everything than i do. you are right, i am wrong and am stupid.

[sleewell]

yeah i forgot the "you can't read" one, good call. that one is classic and had to make an appearance sooner rather than later.

i am completely and utterly devastated to be on your ignore list though, i am just not sure how to carry on with my day.

[Cflat]

ahhhhhh, 4 posts in and now the insults come out. great work dude, that really spurs great debate.


you are an idiot for thinking the way you do


no you are an idiot, moron


i called you an idiot first, you cant call me one back moron


hey i just called you that


this is why i dont particpate in these discussions. if you dont believe what someone else does they are a moron. basically if you lack the skills to have a legitmate discourse you just resort to calling someone an idiot.

yes, you are smarter than me. you know more about everything than i do. you are right, i am wrong and am stupid.

You must have some serious reading comprehension skills... Huh.. Never once did I say you were a moron or an idiot, I said you were highly intelligent guy, guess you don't know how to accept a compliment.. Oh well your problem not mine... Now FUCK OFF and welcome to my ignore list... I also notice you didn't have an answer for my whole teachers rape so blame the parents and the whole school system.. Nice avoidance...

Not answering a stupid question isn't avoidance. A much better analogy would've been if the school system, PTA, and some of the parents were actively involved in covering up the rape and moving the rapists around the country to rape other kids, and avoid legal consequences. Condemning the system that does that is perfectly justified. He didn't condemn all Catholics. He said that he couldn't see how anyone could support the Catholic church after what happened. Just like I couldn't see how anyone would support a school system like the analogy above. That's not saying that I'm against education. You should really try letting some of this process before accusing anyone else of poor reading comprehension skills.

[phrophus]

I guess it was only a matter of time before someone had to start acting like an ass. Looks like shadesofcraig just had to be that guy. Ignore lists, personal insults, faulty comparisons, etc.

Who are you again, and why, all of a sudden, did you just start acting like a child?

[sleewell]

He didn't condemn all Catholics.

Guess I guess you have some reading comprehension problems too.. In fact he did condemn all Catholics, go back and read what he said... I am done with you too...

very well said. now that just makes perfect sense. no one here can read but putting together two coherent sentences seems to routinely escape you.

[Cflat]

He didn't condemn all Catholics.

Guess I guess you have some reading comprehension problems too.. In fact he did condemn all Catholics, go back and read what he said... I am done with you too...

Sure, he did. As long as you have a twisted perspective and obvious bias.

Here's basically what happened;

Sleewell: I am for rapists, and those who help them, getting what they deserve.

ShadesofCraig: Derrrrrr, you're amurkin why don't make jobs!

Sleewell: Huh? The system obviously is flawed and should be held accountable.

ShadesofCraig: Derrrrr,...but why is Purple Wet???

Sleewell: Huh?

ShadesofCraig: Yooz stoopid and ignore list. Derrrrr

[sleewell]

[sleewell]

first GAB meltdown?

i can haz?

[Cflat]

Blah blah blah... I am sorry this is really all my fault, I apologize, i have a really low asshole threshold and you guys really can't help the fact that your assholes...

Depending on what exactly you mean by "asshole threshold", you might want to stay away from Catholic churches for a while.




























Sorry. I couldn't resist. I really tried to.

[draelyc]

Welp, so much for my nice thread. I really wish these last few exchanges had each been posted separately in thia forum, because there are several points that just got tossed around that I disagree with and would've had fun '"correcting," but here in this thread, all lumped together, it's all just so ugly and pointless and sad.

[sleewell]

hold me

sorry man, didnt mean to ruin your thread.

i raised a very pertinent question to my values and beliefs though if you care to comment on that i do welcome a legitimate discussion.

[draelyc]

Man, you know I can't quit you! We just have different perceptions of the economy, I think, which is cool & something we can definitely discuss sometime in another thread. As for this thread, I just meant it as a general invite, y'know? I'm just chuckling at the turn it took -- very reminiscent of our beloved old HCAF, lol -- but I'm not blaming anybody in particular, y'know?

[sleewell]

cool man, glad to hear it. i've always liked talking to you bc its never a i disagree with you so i insult you type of conversation.

yeah i am by nature very optimistic regarding the economy. tell me its terrible, tell me we are doomed but i am just going to continue to bust my ass to provide for my family. i work at least 60 hrs per week at my main gig (selling real estate and writing loans in this economy... oh my!!) and then put in significant hours working for myself on the side. i am a hustler by nature and have a fighter's type of attitude; i will not stop, ever. i get very frusterated when i see able bodied people with nice clothes and smart phones begging for money. that is not who i am and not what this country needs.

back to the issue i initially raised. its just disgusts me and i wish we were better than that as human beings treating each other. they put money over the well being of kids and that is inexusesable on so many levels. i know this has turned my uncle off catholocism and he was raised in the church and he went to notre dame. it would just seem impossible to continue to support, give money, trust and worship in that type of envirnonment. a few bad apples dont always ruin the entire harvest but that type of cover up really bothers me.

[draelyc]

cool man, glad to hear it. i've always liked talking to you bc its never a i disagree with you so i insult you type of conversation.

yeah i am by nature very optimistic regarding the economy. tell me its terrible, tell me we are doomed but i am just going to continue to bust my ass to provide for my family. i work at least 60 hrs per week at my main gig (selling real estate and writing loans in this economy... oh my!!) and then put in significant hours working for myself on the side. i am a hustler by nature and have a fighter's type of attitude; i will not stop, ever. i get very frusterated when i see able bodied people with nice clothes and smart phones begging for money. that is not who i am and not what this country needs.

back to the issue i initially raised. its just disgusts me and i wish we were better than that as human beings treating each other. they put money over the well being of kids and that is inexusesable on so many levels. i know this has turned my uncle off catholocism and he was raised in the church and he went to notre dame. it would just seem impossible to continue to support, give money, trust and worship in that type of envirnonment. a few bad apples dont always ruin the entire harvest but that type of cover up really bothers me.

Sounds like we'd agree about a lot more than we'd disagree about, man. Seriously. Honestly, the only thing we might end up discussing might be the amount of poverty in this country that's caused by laziness vs. the amount caused by larger-scale social forces that tend to render even folks with the same work ethic as yours unable to support their families, even when they've basically done everything "right." That's what I see more of, truth to tell ... but don't get me started on that "entitlement" mentality. I see so much of that in my college freshmen, and it pretty much always results in rage on my part (which I usually have to stifle, for political reasons ~ speaking of what this country *doesn't* need!

As for the Church of Rome... well, I've been accused of being illogical before (right, Tony? ), but I feel, simultaneously, a great deal of empathy and pity for the average churchgoer who knew nothing of these atrocities until the scandals broke ~ who were egregiously betrayed by the church in which they'd placed their trust, not only for their lives but for their souls, as well ... and that same, unshakable sense of "this is absolutely unforgivable" that y'all have already posted. It's a real challenge for me as a Christian, myself ~ I'm even half Catholic, on my father's side! ~ what with the whole being called to forgive thing. Hell, I can actually muster up more empathy (not to say a whole lot, don't get me wrong) for the pedophiles themselves, who I really believe cannot control themselves (not saying it's okay ~ PLEASE don't read that wrong!!!) than I can for the leadership who moved them around and hushed it all up. They are every bit the monsters that those who actually physically violated the children are. IMO, of course.

That's all I'm sayin'. Know what I'm sayin'?

Peace,
C

[Hardtail]

it always becomes a dog pile when the target base is predominantly anti-establishment, liberal minded, long haired guitar freaks who like to play loud music that their parents don't approve of. Not too many members of their schools young republican's club on these guitar boards. I used to get involved in these religious threads, but it always ends up being a huge waste of time - both sides are firmly established & nobody's changing anyone else's mind ... as hard as they try.

[Cflat]

... I used to get involved in these religious threads, but it always ends up being a huge waste of time - both sides are firmly established & nobody's changing anyone else's mind ... as hard as they try.

Speak for yourself. Unlike those who adhere to dogma, I would happily and willingly change my mind in light of sufficient evidence. There's nothing "firmly established" in my skepticism other than the fact that I want as many true and as few false beliefs as possible. That is very important to me because I understand that beliefs inform our actions. Some people don't seem to care much about that and just rant about how the other side is too stubborn to change their mind. Projection bias 101.

[Hardtail]

Speak for yourself. Unlike those who adhere to dogma, I would happily and willingly change my mind in light of sufficient evidence.

Therein lies the crux ... religion is based on faith, pretty much have it or you don't. If you're looking for some proof based on scientific evidence or something empirical, you're doing it wrong. As one of those who "adheres to dogma" and is admittedly a slacker when it comes to going to church (don't go as much as I know I should), and is far from an authority on the matter, just another mindless rube believer calling it as I see it.

[Cflat]

Speak for yourself. Unlike those who adhere to dogma, I would happily and willingly change my mind in light of sufficient evidence.

Therein lies the crux ... religion is based on faith, pretty much have it or you don't. If you're looking for some proof based on scientific evidence or something empirical, you're doing it wrong. I'm a slacker when it comes to going to church - don't go as much as I know I should, and I'm far from an authority on the matter, just calling it as I see it. YMMV

I understand. I just don't see faith as a virtue. Why the hell should it be? In what universe should it be considered a good thing to believe things without evidence? Do I have to give examples of how dangerous that is? Everyone recognizes this as being foolish, as long as we're talking about anything other than religion. I see that as a problem. It is never wrong to demand evidence, especially scientific evidence, before believing anything. That's sort of how it's supposed to work.
If you're believing things based on faith without regards to scientifically scrutinized evidence, then you are doing it very wrong. At least, if you are in any way interested in living in reality on reality's terms. I do, and I think it's important to encourage others to.

[draelyc]

Speak for yourself. Unlike those who adhere to dogma, I would happily and willingly change my mind in light of sufficient evidence.

Therein lies the crux ... religion is based on faith, pretty much have it or you don't. If you're looking for some proof based on scientific evidence or something empirical, you're doing it wrong. As one of those who "adheres to dogma" and is admittedly a slacker when it comes to going to church (don't go as much as I know I should), and is far from an authority on the matter, just another mindless rube believer calling it as I see it.

Fwiw, I agree, to the extent that it is rare, indeed, that a person can simply be "reasoned into" believing in God or a god or gods ~ C. S. Lewis notwithstanding! ~ although to be completely honest, reason has played a huge role in my own ever-evolving set of beliefs (at least ever since I began consciously considering such things at age 13).

I actually think it's kind of sad that so much of modern religion is based on "faith" (as most folks define the word, which is another problem), rather than on personal experience, which is what I think one's religion *should* be based on.

Just my cuplo' cents' worth, as always.