Rate the Big Four of thrash here

JiveTurkey · Post by **JiveTurkey** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:15 am

wrongnote85 wrote:i don't know how any thrash fan couldn't like these right here:

Little too primitive

Just right mixture of traditional metal and speed

Completely awesome thrash fest with icon riffing. Vocals are killer in my book but others might find them a little too clean.

wrongnote85 · Post by **wrongnote85** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:21 am

i didn't say all that, you jive turkey!

oh, and i agree about the raf going full retard bit.

JiveTurkey · Post by **JiveTurkey** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:27 am

wrongnote85 wrote:i didn't say all that, you jive turkey!

oh, and i agree about the raf going full retard bit.

WHEN QUOTING GOES WRONG

Krunchmeister · Post by **Krunchmeister** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:41 am

Have to agree Anthrax doesnt belong in top 4. Metallica hasnt been thrash since Cliff died.Testament and Exodus are real hit or miss. That leaves MEGADETH as numero uno! Slayer for second and the others can fight over the leftovers.

Krunchmeister · Post by **Krunchmeister** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:42 am

Yarbicus · Post by **Yarbicus** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:48 pm

Whole lotta youngsters in this thread with no sense of history. Damn, I feel old!!!

jnurp · Post by **jnurp** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:13 pm

anthrax had some great songs and scott was and is a beast of a riff machine but joey belladonna changed the dynamic of that group from a thrash band to an almost glam feel to the music. I don't care what anybody says, anthrax isn't real thrash to me. They are not a speed metal band. Their best years were with Bush in the mid 90's, sound of white noise has some really high points but that's not a thrash record at all, its a really strong heavy metal record but not thrash.

Sheik will definitely agree with me and maybe some others, Chuck Billy is the best vocalist in the genres history by far. I may even go on record and say that Chuck is a top 5 vox all time in metal. its hard to compare a guy who doesn't really "sing" in the traditional sense and a guy like layne who had the most beautiful vibrato ever. But there I said it, chuck Billy is the best vocalist in thrash and top 5 all time in metal period.

JiveTurkey · Post by **JiveTurkey** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:17 pm

jnurp wrote:anthrax had some great songs and scott was and is a beast of a riff machine but joey belladonna changed the dynamic of that group from a thrash band to an almost glam feel to the music. I don't care what anybody says, anthrax isn't real thrash to me. They are not a speed metal band. Their best years were with Bush in the mid 90's, sound of white noise has some really high points but that's not a thrash record at all, its a really strong heavy metal record but not thrash.

Sheik will definitely agree with me and maybe some others, Chuck Billy is the best vocalist in the genres history by far. I may even go on record and say that Chuck is a top 5 vox all time in metal. its hard to compare a guy who doesn't really "sing" in the traditional sense and a guy like layne who had the most beautiful vibrato ever. But there I said it, chuck Billy is the best vocalist in thrash and top 5 all time in metal period.

For me, both of those. He can do melodic as well as vicious, bellowing death metal :rawk:

and he does them both to perfection in my book.

downstemmed · Post by **downstemmed** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:44 pm

1. Slayer. Seasons In The Abyss is the best thrash album, IMO. If you doubt their musical ability, listen to Divine Intervention.
3-4. Undecided.

jnurp · Post by **jnurp** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:44 pm

marry me Jive.

JiveTurkey · Post by **JiveTurkey** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:54 pm

Adrian · Post by **Adrian** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:42 pm

Yeah, the Slayer hate I NEVER understood. Simply put, they're responsible for taking thrash to such extremities that helped give birth to death metal. Sure, their lead style is more about absolute chaos than it is musicality, but it fits the context of their music like a glove. Plus, those riffs are just so goddamn ferocious, and Dave Lombardo and Paul Bostaph can play circles around Lars Failrich.

Let's not forget that Slayer has never made albums that soccer moms can enjoy, unlike Metallica in the 90s. :lol:

Adrian · Post by **Adrian** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:44 pm

Also, Anthrax deserves to be in the Big 4 for their first 5 albums alone. Joey Belladonna's voice didn't "glam up" their sound in my opinion. I liken his voice more to Halford or Dickinson.

crankyrayhanky · Post by **crankyrayhanky** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:29 pm

Anthrax: I seem to enjoy this band the most. ATL and the newest disc are excellent. I just saw them a few months ago and the sound was outstanding!

Megadeth: ok, the vocals flat out suck, but somehow he makes it work. The songwriting is usually very creative, and I think the lead axeman are the best of the big4. Wish some of those pop experiments in the 90s never happened.

Slayer: "not selling out" = lame. they never progressed, eveloved or stayed interesting. RIB is awesome though

Metallica: they should be #1, i loved the first 3 discs! But their lack of improving their craft (Kirk/Lars) and their ego to beat my favorite bass player into the background is awful. Lars is an insuffurable troll and all those Unforgivens are a blight on metal. All in all, cool band though, lol

MacaroniSalad · Post by **MacaroniSalad** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:50 pm

nightflameauto wrote:If you're talking 1980s, it'd be an extremely difficult call. If you're talking the Big Four concert that went to theaters and ultimately got a home release, Anthrax swept the fucking floor with the other three, Megamave needed to overdub all his vocals for the home release, even though the instrumentation was great, Metallica was OK if not for the tempo jumping around like a bunch of fifteen year olds that had never seen a metronome and Slayer was Slayer, which means killer rhythms, and turkey in a blender leads.

Honestly, for me it's tough to segregate the big four away from Exodus, Testament, Overkill, Death Angel, Dark Angel, Kreator and possibly several others just due to the fact that back then I didn't give a shit who sold the most, I gave a shit whether it made me wanna move. And attempting to rank them at all seemed like a joke because it was one big massive thrash family. At least as far as being a fan.

That is probably the absolute best description of Slayer solos I think I've ever heard. (that's coming from a Slayer fan)

That said, of all the thrash bands from that period, I probably listen to Sacred Reich the most nowadays.

wrongnote85 · Post by **wrongnote85** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:28 pm

coroner

nightflameauto · Post by **nightflameauto** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:43 am

Sacred Reich + Coroner are EPIC FUCKING SHIT in the thrash world, and nothing to anybody outside of it.

But I still have a live vid of Coroner from back in the day. They may be the most powerful trio ever.

jnurp · Post by **jnurp** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:53 am

Sacred Reich to me was such a forgettable band. The vocals were so bad I just couldn't get into them. They were trying too hard to be metallica imo. Coroner on the other hand is one of the most awesome groups ever and that guitar player friggin rips whatever his name is. I have to pull up some of their songs its been so long since I listened to them.

nakedzen · Post by **nakedzen** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:19 am

Going to see these guys in a few hours: :rawk:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtvneHTVk_E[/video]

JonVengeance · Post by **JonVengeance** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:29 am

I like Slayer, but to me the Teutonic thrash bands took that aggressiveness and added more precision and better leads. Kreator is like a much better version of Slayer.

I'm a big fan of Kreator, Sodom, Destruction, and Holy Moses.

jnurp · Post by **jnurp** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:49 am

creator had great riffs but that dudes vox killed it for me. idk I love tom araya's vox and chuck billy of course. megadeth would have been such a better band had mave not been singing. he is fucking abysmal on the mic. I swear little wayne has better vox on his rock record than mave.

MacaroniSalad · Post by **MacaroniSalad** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:13 pm

nakedzen wrote:Going to see these guys in a few hours:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtvneHTVk_E[/video]

Nice!

that band went through so many damn lineup changes its ridiculous.

I would've been interesting to see what Jeff would've done in Megadeth.

The only "big 4" thrash band I've never really dug is Metallica. I wouldn't call myself a hater, I just don't dig it. James sounds a little too country for me in a metal environment, and Lars isn't half the drummer of *insert any other thrash band here*'s drummer.

Dave Lister · Post by **Dave Lister** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:49 pm

nightflameauto wrote:Sacred Reich + Coroner are EPIC FUCKING SHIT in the thrash world, and nothing to anybody outside of it.

But I still have a live vid of Coroner from back in the day. They may be the most powerful trio ever.

So cool to see some love for Coroner. :rawk:

As far as recent output (last 5-10 years) I'd have to rank Exodus as the most superior now.

David_Kessler · Post by **David_Kessler** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:06 pm

Nobody listened to Sepultura? Maybe not one of the big four, but with so many other bands mentioned...

nightflameauto · Post by **nightflameauto** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:21 pm

David_Kessler wrote:Nobody listened to Sepultura? Maybe not one of the big four, but with so many other bands mentioned...

BENEAT DA REMAINZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

DEAT EMBRYEEOONIC CELLS!

His enunciation back then was awesome. ESPECIALLY the live stuff.

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