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REDBACKS!!! Especially with some of the amps you have. I think they'd be awesome. I am probably going to take the 2 out of my V-Boutique cab and put them in one of my Splawn cabs.

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I'd get the T75s. You already have V30s and GBs so T75s would be the next "classic" Celestion to own.


I snagged a couple used UK T75s for a decent price. I was kind of thinking the same, I already had some UK V30s and UK GBs, might as well give these a try.

I still think I want to try the Redback and Scumback BM75-LD at some point though.

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Cool! :thu:
Also something to try if you ever run across one cheap... Im not a huge fan of Tonkers on their own, but when mixed with V30s, they do nice things. Different mid & high end accent, also extended high end.
I dont know if that combination would thrill everyone, but I found it to work really well.


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colejustesen wrote:
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H75 Creamback and call it a day


Besides the magnet, what is the difference between this and the M65 Creamback? I really couldn't decipher...

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The magnet is the key. The M magnets have looser bass, more pushed mids and a rolled off high end. The H magnets have a firmer low end, slightly more relaxed/smoother mids, and more high end.

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Little update...

I received my T75s yesterday, but didn't install them until today after work. I haven't tried the can with all my amps, but with the volume cranked on my Duotone these speakers sounded fan-fucking-tastic! Seriously, newholland had it right; I felt like I was knocking at the gates of a deity. With the volume too low, I could see why these speakers get a bad rap. There is a sort of harshness with the gain too high, but dialing back the gain just a bit I was able to make it disappear while still retaining a heavy tone.

I am really happy with these speakers, and honestly I don't have a set of speakers that sound anything like them. I plan on running the SL-X through it tomorrow on my day off :thu:

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T75s are definitely underrated. For what it's worth, I like the UK ones better than K100s and C90s.

They blend really well with V30s too.

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I had the K85s from the UK in a Peavey MS can that sounded damn good, but these UK T75s sound damn good in a completely different way! I could totally hear how the Vintage 30 would sound awesome with that speaker.

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I had the same cab for a while and the K85/K100 speaker is a bit clinical sounding for high gain IMO. T75s are the perfect middleground.

Little-known fact: both Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets were recorded with T75s. Meshuggah and Nevermore recorded with them on their older albums too. The V30+SM57 trope in metal recording technique is a bit played out.

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I had the same cab for a while and the K85/K100 speaker is a bit clinical sounding for high gain IMO. T75s are the perfect middleground.

Little-known fact: both Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets were recorded with T75s. Meshuggah and Nevermore recorded with them on their older albums too. The V30+SM57 trope in metal recording technique is a bit played out.


I could see that with the K85s, but I think they still sound great. It's funny you mentioning the Metallica thing, as I was playing some riffs from MOP and thought I heard some similarities.

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Snave wrote:
I had the same cab for a while and the K85/K100 speaker is a bit clinical sounding for high gain IMO. T75s are the perfect middleground.

Little-known fact: both Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets were recorded with T75s. Meshuggah and Nevermore recorded with them on their older albums too. The V30+SM57 trope in metal recording technique is a bit played out.


I am not really sure about the metallica connection. They had marshall cabs but, T75s?

I've never seen such mention. Hetfield did use the V30s at some point, EVMs on the mesa combos or whatever but who says it wasn't greenbacks on those cabs?

I kind of hate T75s and yes, I've played and gigged them loudly even with marshalls etc, and some combinations sounded really good but even then I think another speaker would be better lol. I won't call them pieces of shit. Just that. I won't call them but I am thinking about it all the time lol.


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That is the beauty of playing guitar now, so many choices on gear. I would still like to hear a set of G12-65s, as well as other speakers, many other speakers.

I am excited to have a few options for speakers now.

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I had the same cab for a while and the K85/K100 speaker is a bit clinical sounding for high gain IMO. T75s are the perfect middleground.

Little-known fact: both Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets were recorded with T75s. Meshuggah and Nevermore recorded with them on their older albums too. The V30+SM57 trope in metal recording technique is a bit played out.


I am not really sure about the metallica connection. They had marshall cabs but, T75s?

I've never seen such mention. Hetfield did use the V30s at some point, EVMs on the mesa combos or whatever but who says it wasn't greenbacks on those cabs?

I kind of hate T75s and yes, I've played and gigged them loudly even with marshalls etc, and some combinations sounded really good but even then I think another speaker would be better lol. I won't call them pieces of shit. Just that. I won't call them but I am thinking about it all the time lol.


Flemming Rasmussen's production notes indicate 300W cabs (i.e. Marshall 1960 4x12 with T75s). V30s didn't exist in 1985.

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aw man! glad you liked the t75's!

i really do see why they get a bad rap- they can be pretty bright and grotty if you don't play 'em loud, but if you do in a 412... the midrange character is great. they have such an easily pushable bottom end, they scoop just enough to not get super throaty, and they have a really clear top end. they don't sound modern metal, and that's why guys probably don't like 'em. they're not. but they're a fantastic speaker for 800 type gain and can throttle you with what they do.

they don't sound good in an open back cab that i've ever heard. too light and clanky without a big box.

cool! throw clips when you get a chance! how do they sound up against the medusa?


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Snave wrote:
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I had the same cab for a while and the K85/K100 speaker is a bit clinical sounding for high gain IMO. T75s are the perfect middleground.

Little-known fact: both Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets were recorded with T75s. Meshuggah and Nevermore recorded with them on their older albums too. The V30+SM57 trope in metal recording technique is a bit played out.


I am not really sure about the metallica connection. They had marshall cabs but, T75s?

I've never seen such mention. Hetfield did use the V30s at some point, EVMs on the mesa combos or whatever but who says it wasn't greenbacks on those cabs?

I kind of hate T75s and yes, I've played and gigged them loudly even with marshalls etc, and some combinations sounded really good but even then I think another speaker would be better lol. I won't call them pieces of shit. Just that. I won't call them but I am thinking about it all the time lol.


Flemming Rasmussen's production notes indicate 300W cabs (i.e. Marshall 1960 4x12 with T75s). V30s didn't exist in 1985.

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Cool. Although, still it could be 3x100 watt cabs. I don't like the RTL tone that much to be honest. It's indistinct and hazy. It could be the reverb. It's not bad by all means and it was an evolution/improvement on kill em all but I don't really understand why they seem to masturbate over it. I still think puppets is their best moment eventhough it's not by all means a super clear sound for any era: It's the energy that transfers to the listener that works. In fact, they pretty much re mastered it and for me, it's gone in the re master. No-master lol. It's punchier, clearer and less of a nasty sound but that grinding teeth feeling is gone...

So puppets could be V30 cabs or whatever if V30s where out for a year or so. I still think rassmunsen could either note wrong or whatever. I never remember hetfield quoting T75s for anything especially later on.


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Oh and, those are not the hetfield settings on the graphic...At least not the later live ones. VERY unorthodox (the ones I refer to) and man, it works, almost instant puppets tone.


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The serial numbers of the two cabs used are listed right beside the wattage, so it certainly wasn't three cabs. I'll take the producer's word over any band member. If you're not using the parametric EQ settings listed on an Aphex EQF-2 it's obviously not going to sound the same as the record.

You can see the 1960B cabs used on MoP here:

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i know this is totally off cole's topic (sorry cole), and despite not really caring AT ALL about MOP guitar sounds, i am curious if anybody knows what Bruel & Kjaer mike the engineer used on the recording! any of ya know?

and also where i'd get some sexy white hi tops like hetfield's got there. 'cause that's some lady killin stuff goin right there :lol:


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i know this is totally off cole's topic (sorry cole), and despite not really caring AT ALL about MOP guitar sounds, i am curious if anybody knows what Bruel & Kjaer mike the engineer used on the recording! any of ya know?

and also where i'd get some sexy white hi tops like hetfield's got there. 'cause that's some lady killin stuff goin right there :lol:


It really doesn't bother me in the slightest... I actually like this extra bit of info. Also, it might help me dial that damn Mark III a little better lol.

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ha! badass- thanks snave! i don't know that mic, but gotta do some research now.

only used their mics for drums and room in the past-- not that i can afford ANY of em :lol:


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*t75s are only unpopular with guys who play too quiet to open up their amps. if your power section is cooking.. they can invoke the voice of any deity you choose.


*assuming you are not push them with a recto or similarly voice amp



Where’d you read that?

Rectos and old 80’s G12T75s are bad aaa together. I used that combo for years


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Also congrats, Cole!!

My 86 Marshall jcm800 cab is my favorite cab of all time.

NH borrowed it while his band was in town. It just sounds great with every amp.

Including my old recto ;)


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Dave wrote:
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*t75s are only unpopular with guys who play too quiet to open up their amps. if your power section is cooking.. they can invoke the voice of any deity you choose.


*assuming you are not push them with a recto or similarly voice amp



Where’d you read that?

Rectos and old 80’s G12T75s are bad aaa together. I used that combo for years


Read it no where.
Played it, hated it.
Seen it played live countless times, if theres another guitar that combo is always totally washed out of the mix unless the volume is set to the moon.

I believe you when you say it sounded badass but what did it take to get it there?
EL34s in the power section? Boosting with a TS? A strat with a JB in it?

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K-Bizzle wrote:
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*t75s are only unpopular with guys who play too quiet to open up their amps. if your power section is cooking.. they can invoke the voice of any deity you choose.


*assuming you are not push them with a recto or similarly voice amp



Where’d you read that?

Rectos and old 80’s G12T75s are bad aaa together. I used that combo for years


Read it no where.
Played it, hated it.
Seen it played live countless times, if theres another guitar that combo is always totally washed out of the mix unless the volume is set to the moon.

I believe you when you say it sounded badass but what did it take to get it there?
EL34s in the power section? Boosting with a TS? A strat with a JB in it?



Volume and my LPC/Tele :idk:

Completely bone stock 6L6 3 ch dual rec no pedals (well technically used a TC Nova System for tremolo and reverb on one song) and LPC. Several shows I just plugged straight in.

I was usually burying the other guy with the DSL.

Maybe you were hearing newer t75s? These old ones cut hard.


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Modern red diode with gain around noon and global master/EQ turned off

I never used a boost with rectos. They’re tight enough when one isn’t using a ton of gain

fwiw the second song on this video is me using the neck pickup for the distorted part. Conventional knowledge would have you thinking it would be a muddy indecipherable mess. Hardly the case.


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