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I just pulled my Fane Medusa 150 speakers out of a Splawn 2x12 in favor of putting them in a 4x12 cab. For those who can't see my sig, I have a cab with Vintage 30s, one with Greenbacks, another 2x12 with Fane Medusa 100s, and a third 2x12 with Eminence CV-75s. I am not really looking for anything specific, but I don't want a flabby sounding speaker. I was considering these speakers... Celestion Heritage G12-65, Neo Creambacks, Redbacks, or some UK made G12T-75s. I am not opposed to other brands, just want to try something different in my Splawn.

What do you guys suggest and why?

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For something new, the Redbacks would be my choice. Toms Redback cabs sound fucking sweet. I also really liked the Lynchbacks in his KSR 212 cab. Just can't bring myself to spend that much on a speaker haha.

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For something new, the Redbacks would be my choice. Toms Redback cabs sound fucking sweet. I also really liked the Lynchbacks in his KSR 212 cab. Just can't bring myself to spend that much on a speaker haha.


I get the cost thing for sure, but those don't compare to buying my Fanes lol. Tom's clips of the Redbacks and his Neo Creambacks are the sole reason I want to check them out. Thanks Raf :thu:

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i am looking at your amps and cabs list in your sig. it looks like you've got some great cab matches for those amps except for 1: the jcm900. not saying some of those cabs don't sound good with that 900 but i personally prefer celestioin GT-75s with the 900. no flub, great speakers with most non-vintage (like, pre-jcm800) marshalls.

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What genres do you play?

My GAS list is Scumback BM75LD for metal tones.


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I'd go Neo Creamback. I was trying to find a used pair for my 2x12 but couldn't. I've had my buddies Splawn 2x12 cab at my house on a few occasions and it sounded great. It was loaded with a Splawn SB and BB.

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scumbacks would sound killer w a splawn. i actually mix mine with k100s in a 4x12 but they would sound great on their own.


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i am looking at your amps and cabs list in your sig. it looks like you've got some great cab matches for those amps except for 1: the jcm900. not saying some of those cabs don't sound good with that 900 but i personally prefer celestioin GT-75s with the 900. no flub, great speakers with most non-vintage (like, pre-jcm800) marshalls.


That was a thought for sure, and to be honest I have never been able to crank some G12T-75s with any of my gear. I have read so many mixed views on these speakers, that I think that I will just have to try them. I definitely know that when I try them, they have to be the UK variant. It appears there is a big enough difference between the UK and Chinese versions.

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What genres do you play?

My GAS list is Scumback BM75LD for metal tones.


Pretty much everything to be honest. I love playing metal, but it isn't my strongest genre. Lately though it is a lot of bluesy rock that incorporates good clean tones, and some modern country type tones, as well as heavier stuff (KSE, Light the Torch, Sevendust, etc.)

That BM75-LD sounds like it could be cool :thu:

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I'd go Neo Creamback. I was trying to find a used pair for my 2x12 but couldn't. I've had my buddies Splawn 2x12 cab at my house on a few occasions and it sounded great. It was loaded with a Splawn SB and BB.


These cabs came with SB speakers and they sounded pretty damn good, but not as good as what I put in each cab after them though. That Neo speaker is intriguing for sure :thu:

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scumbacks would sound killer w a splawn. i actually mix mine with k100s in a 4x12 but they would sound great on their own.


I am not well versed with Scumback speakers. Which version are you using? I also love the G12K-100s :rawk: They deliver the goods, so honestly they could be a good choice. That said, I still want to try something different from previous speakers I have owned.

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colejustesen wrote:
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i am looking at your amps and cabs list in your sig. it looks like you've got some great cab matches for those amps except for 1: the jcm900. not saying some of those cabs don't sound good with that 900 but i personally prefer celestioin GT-75s with the 900. no flub, great speakers with most non-vintage (like, pre-jcm800) marshalls.


That was a thought for sure, and to be honest I have never been able to crank some G12T-75s with any of my gear. I have read so many mixed views on these speakers, that I think that I will just have to try them. I definitely know that when I try them, they have to be the UK variant. It appears there is a big enough difference between the UK and Chinese versions.

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i'd take most people's reviews with a grain of salt. actually, i wouldn't even pay them any attention. it is all about matching the amp to the speaker so people who post bad reviews on GT75s probably have them poorly matched with their amp. GT75s love those jcm800/900 amps with their sort of spikey upper-mids.

as far as all the people with their imaginary eric johnson ears, including eric johnson himself, the english vs. the chinese versions are probably 99.5% the same, if not 100%.

all ime and imho of course. get what excites you.

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i am looking at your amps and cabs list in your sig. it looks like you've got some great cab matches for those amps except for 1: the jcm900. not saying some of those cabs don't sound good with that 900 but i personally prefer celestioin GT-75s with the 900. no flub, great speakers with most non-vintage (like, pre-jcm800) marshalls.


That was a thought for sure, and to be honest I have never been able to crank some G12T-75s with any of my gear. I have read so many mixed views on these speakers, that I think that I will just have to try them. I definitely know that when I try them, they have to be the UK variant. It appears there is a big enough difference between the UK and Chinese versions.

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i'd take most people's reviews with a grain of salt. actually, i wouldn't even pay them any attention. it is all about matching the amp to the speaker so people who post bad reviews on GT75s probably have them poorly matched with their amp. GT75s love those jcm800/900 amps with their sort of spikey upper-mids.

as far as all the people with their imaginary eric johnson ears, including eric johnson himself, the english vs. the chinese versions are probably 99.5% the same, if not 100%.

all ime and imho of course. get what excites you.


This.

T75/100s with a cranked Marshall or Laney is the sound of glory. They'd probably sound like ass with a 5150.

I dislike V30s because they don't sit pretty with my amps, which are generally pretty British in their voicing.

I've not even been in the same room as them but I think you should try out the redbacks and report back :lol:


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t75s are only unpopular with guys who play too quiet to open up their amps. if your power section is cooking.. they can invoke the voice of any deity you choose.


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*t75s are only unpopular with guys who play too quiet to open up their amps. if your power section is cooking.. they can invoke the voice of any deity you choose.


*assuming you are not push them with a recto or similarly voice amp

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*t75s are only unpopular with guys who play too quiet to open up their amps. if your power section is cooking.. they can invoke the voice of any deity you choose.


*assuming you are not push them with a recto or similarly voice amp


QFT. they do sound particular bad with a 5150 too.


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I found a person selling some UK G12T-75s on eBay, so I bought a couple. They were asking $60 a speaker, which seems like a fair price. I figured it would be cheap enough to try first, then if I didn't like them move onto something else. I like the idea of the Scumback BM75-LD and Redback too.

Thanks for the input guys!

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H75 Creamback and call it a day


Besides the magnet, what is the difference between this and the M65 Creamback? I really couldn't decipher...

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I'd go Neo Creamback. I was trying to find a used pair for my 2x12 but couldn't. I've had my buddies Splawn 2x12 cab at my house on a few occasions and it sounded great. It was loaded with a Splawn SB and BB.

This is what i'd probably go with too. I own a splawn 2x12 and it weighs a ton but does sound awesome. It has helltones (don't recall specs on them) now. The cab sounds great as it is so i haven't messed with the speakers. I have neo creambacks in my marshall 215c (1x12 50 watt combo) and peavey bandit 112 so i know i like them.


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I was gonna say check out the ET65's. Similar neighborhood..

Ive been using them for a few months recording, and I dig em.


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They are kind of midrangy and you have to crank them to hear them at their best but, when you do, they are KILLER!!!! :rawk:

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RUBATO wrote:
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I was gonna say check out the ET65's. Similar neighborhood..

Ive been using them for a few months recording, and I dig em.


I have owned the ET65s, but they were in a 2x12 Peavey Classic 50 combo. I liked them, but they really didn't anything for me. Maybe they need to be in a closed back cab. I would personally like to try the speaker they were supposed to improve upon.

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High Wattage Speakers = Less Flub.
Electro-Voice EVM12L = 200 watts of flubless glory.

They are kind of midrangy and you have to crank them to hear them at their best but, when you do, they are KILLER!!!! :rawk:


I can't say that I have ever heard a clip of these that made want to even justify the price. I heard them live when BLS came and I just didn't like the sound that night. I would be willing to try my about through a cab loaded with them, but buying them is a different story.

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I'd get the T75s. You already have V30s and GBs so T75s would be the next "classic" Celestion to own.

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REDBACKS!!! Especially with some of the amps you have. I think they'd be awesome. I am probably going to take the 2 out of my V-Boutique cab and put them in one of my Splawn cabs.

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I'd get the T75s. You already have V30s and GBs so T75s would be the next "classic" Celestion to own.


I snagged a couple used UK T75s for a decent price. I was kind of thinking the same, I already had some UK V30s and UK GBs, might as well give these a try.

I still think I want to try the Redback and Scumback BM75-LD at some point though.

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Cool! :thu:
Also something to try if you ever run across one cheap... Im not a huge fan of Tonkers on their own, but when mixed with V30s, they do nice things. Different mid & high end accent, also extended high end.
I dont know if that combination would thrill everyone, but I found it to work really well.


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Besides the magnet, what is the difference between this and the M65 Creamback? I really couldn't decipher...

Cole


The magnet is the key. The M magnets have looser bass, more pushed mids and a rolled off high end. The H magnets have a firmer low end, slightly more relaxed/smoother mids, and more high end.

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Little update...

I received my T75s yesterday, but didn't install them until today after work. I haven't tried the can with all my amps, but with the volume cranked on my Duotone these speakers sounded fan-fucking-tastic! Seriously, newholland had it right; I felt like I was knocking at the gates of a deity. With the volume too low, I could see why these speakers get a bad rap. There is a sort of harshness with the gain too high, but dialing back the gain just a bit I was able to make it disappear while still retaining a heavy tone.

I am really happy with these speakers, and honestly I don't have a set of speakers that sound anything like them. I plan on running the SL-X through it tomorrow on my day off :thu:

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T75s are definitely underrated. For what it's worth, I like the UK ones better than K100s and C90s.

They blend really well with V30s too.

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I had the K85s from the UK in a Peavey MS can that sounded damn good, but these UK T75s sound damn good in a completely different way! I could totally hear how the Vintage 30 would sound awesome with that speaker.

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I had the same cab for a while and the K85/K100 speaker is a bit clinical sounding for high gain IMO. T75s are the perfect middleground.

Little-known fact: both Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets were recorded with T75s. Meshuggah and Nevermore recorded with them on their older albums too. The V30+SM57 trope in metal recording technique is a bit played out.

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I had the same cab for a while and the K85/K100 speaker is a bit clinical sounding for high gain IMO. T75s are the perfect middleground.

Little-known fact: both Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets were recorded with T75s. Meshuggah and Nevermore recorded with them on their older albums too. The V30+SM57 trope in metal recording technique is a bit played out.


I could see that with the K85s, but I think they still sound great. It's funny you mentioning the Metallica thing, as I was playing some riffs from MOP and thought I heard some similarities.

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Snave wrote:
I had the same cab for a while and the K85/K100 speaker is a bit clinical sounding for high gain IMO. T75s are the perfect middleground.

Little-known fact: both Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets were recorded with T75s. Meshuggah and Nevermore recorded with them on their older albums too. The V30+SM57 trope in metal recording technique is a bit played out.


I am not really sure about the metallica connection. They had marshall cabs but, T75s?

I've never seen such mention. Hetfield did use the V30s at some point, EVMs on the mesa combos or whatever but who says it wasn't greenbacks on those cabs?

I kind of hate T75s and yes, I've played and gigged them loudly even with marshalls etc, and some combinations sounded really good but even then I think another speaker would be better lol. I won't call them pieces of shit. Just that. I won't call them but I am thinking about it all the time lol.


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That is the beauty of playing guitar now, so many choices on gear. I would still like to hear a set of G12-65s, as well as other speakers, many other speakers.

I am excited to have a few options for speakers now.

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I had the same cab for a while and the K85/K100 speaker is a bit clinical sounding for high gain IMO. T75s are the perfect middleground.

Little-known fact: both Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets were recorded with T75s. Meshuggah and Nevermore recorded with them on their older albums too. The V30+SM57 trope in metal recording technique is a bit played out.


I am not really sure about the metallica connection. They had marshall cabs but, T75s?

I've never seen such mention. Hetfield did use the V30s at some point, EVMs on the mesa combos or whatever but who says it wasn't greenbacks on those cabs?

I kind of hate T75s and yes, I've played and gigged them loudly even with marshalls etc, and some combinations sounded really good but even then I think another speaker would be better lol. I won't call them pieces of shit. Just that. I won't call them but I am thinking about it all the time lol.


Flemming Rasmussen's production notes indicate 300W cabs (i.e. Marshall 1960 4x12 with T75s). V30s didn't exist in 1985.

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aw man! glad you liked the t75's!

i really do see why they get a bad rap- they can be pretty bright and grotty if you don't play 'em loud, but if you do in a 412... the midrange character is great. they have such an easily pushable bottom end, they scoop just enough to not get super throaty, and they have a really clear top end. they don't sound modern metal, and that's why guys probably don't like 'em. they're not. but they're a fantastic speaker for 800 type gain and can throttle you with what they do.

they don't sound good in an open back cab that i've ever heard. too light and clanky without a big box.

cool! throw clips when you get a chance! how do they sound up against the medusa?


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Snave wrote:
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I had the same cab for a while and the K85/K100 speaker is a bit clinical sounding for high gain IMO. T75s are the perfect middleground.

Little-known fact: both Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets were recorded with T75s. Meshuggah and Nevermore recorded with them on their older albums too. The V30+SM57 trope in metal recording technique is a bit played out.


I am not really sure about the metallica connection. They had marshall cabs but, T75s?

I've never seen such mention. Hetfield did use the V30s at some point, EVMs on the mesa combos or whatever but who says it wasn't greenbacks on those cabs?

I kind of hate T75s and yes, I've played and gigged them loudly even with marshalls etc, and some combinations sounded really good but even then I think another speaker would be better lol. I won't call them pieces of shit. Just that. I won't call them but I am thinking about it all the time lol.


Flemming Rasmussen's production notes indicate 300W cabs (i.e. Marshall 1960 4x12 with T75s). V30s didn't exist in 1985.

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Cool. Although, still it could be 3x100 watt cabs. I don't like the RTL tone that much to be honest. It's indistinct and hazy. It could be the reverb. It's not bad by all means and it was an evolution/improvement on kill em all but I don't really understand why they seem to masturbate over it. I still think puppets is their best moment eventhough it's not by all means a super clear sound for any era: It's the energy that transfers to the listener that works. In fact, they pretty much re mastered it and for me, it's gone in the re master. No-master lol. It's punchier, clearer and less of a nasty sound but that grinding teeth feeling is gone...

So puppets could be V30 cabs or whatever if V30s where out for a year or so. I still think rassmunsen could either note wrong or whatever. I never remember hetfield quoting T75s for anything especially later on.


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Oh and, those are not the hetfield settings on the graphic...At least not the later live ones. VERY unorthodox (the ones I refer to) and man, it works, almost instant puppets tone.


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The serial numbers of the two cabs used are listed right beside the wattage, so it certainly wasn't three cabs. I'll take the producer's word over any band member. If you're not using the parametric EQ settings listed on an Aphex EQF-2 it's obviously not going to sound the same as the record.

You can see the 1960B cabs used on MoP here:

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i know this is totally off cole's topic (sorry cole), and despite not really caring AT ALL about MOP guitar sounds, i am curious if anybody knows what Bruel & Kjaer mike the engineer used on the recording! any of ya know?

and also where i'd get some sexy white hi tops like hetfield's got there. 'cause that's some lady killin stuff goin right there :lol:


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i know this is totally off cole's topic (sorry cole), and despite not really caring AT ALL about MOP guitar sounds, i am curious if anybody knows what Bruel & Kjaer mike the engineer used on the recording! any of ya know?

and also where i'd get some sexy white hi tops like hetfield's got there. 'cause that's some lady killin stuff goin right there :lol:


It really doesn't bother me in the slightest... I actually like this extra bit of info. Also, it might help me dial that damn Mark III a little better lol.

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ha! badass- thanks snave! i don't know that mic, but gotta do some research now.

only used their mics for drums and room in the past-- not that i can afford ANY of em :lol:


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*t75s are only unpopular with guys who play too quiet to open up their amps. if your power section is cooking.. they can invoke the voice of any deity you choose.


*assuming you are not push them with a recto or similarly voice amp



Where’d you read that?

Rectos and old 80’s G12T75s are bad aaa together. I used that combo for years


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Also congrats, Cole!!

My 86 Marshall jcm800 cab is my favorite cab of all time.

NH borrowed it while his band was in town. It just sounds great with every amp.

Including my old recto ;)


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Dave wrote:
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*t75s are only unpopular with guys who play too quiet to open up their amps. if your power section is cooking.. they can invoke the voice of any deity you choose.


*assuming you are not push them with a recto or similarly voice amp



Where’d you read that?

Rectos and old 80’s G12T75s are bad aaa together. I used that combo for years


Read it no where.
Played it, hated it.
Seen it played live countless times, if theres another guitar that combo is always totally washed out of the mix unless the volume is set to the moon.

I believe you when you say it sounded badass but what did it take to get it there?
EL34s in the power section? Boosting with a TS? A strat with a JB in it?

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K-Bizzle wrote:
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K-Bizzle wrote:
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*t75s are only unpopular with guys who play too quiet to open up their amps. if your power section is cooking.. they can invoke the voice of any deity you choose.


*assuming you are not push them with a recto or similarly voice amp



Where’d you read that?

Rectos and old 80’s G12T75s are bad aaa together. I used that combo for years


Read it no where.
Played it, hated it.
Seen it played live countless times, if theres another guitar that combo is always totally washed out of the mix unless the volume is set to the moon.

I believe you when you say it sounded badass but what did it take to get it there?
EL34s in the power section? Boosting with a TS? A strat with a JB in it?



Volume and my LPC/Tele :idk:

Completely bone stock 6L6 3 ch dual rec no pedals (well technically used a TC Nova System for tremolo and reverb on one song) and LPC. Several shows I just plugged straight in.

I was usually burying the other guy with the DSL.

Maybe you were hearing newer t75s? These old ones cut hard.


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Modern red diode with gain around noon and global master/EQ turned off

I never used a boost with rectos. They’re tight enough when one isn’t using a ton of gain

fwiw the second song on this video is me using the neck pickup for the distorted part. Conventional knowledge would have you thinking it would be a muddy indecipherable mess. Hardly the case.


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