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What should i be checking out? I want to record songs and i have no way of getting decent drums except programming, so far i have been programming drums in guitar pro and using ezdrummer, but this method yields mediocre results. What vstis should i be checking out and is there a better way to program drums? thanks!


Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:34 pm
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Get some other midi packs for Toontrack for realistic programming. Edit the grooves for your particular section if you need to.

Andy Sneap's Metal Machine is a great EZX for heavy shit.


What is it that you dont like about your drums?


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i have dkfh and it sounds like.... shit haha the snares all sound like garbage and the toms sound like shit and.... basically the entire kit sounds like garbage to me.


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Holy-diver wrote:
i have dkfh and it sounds like.... shit haha the snares all sound like garbage and the toms sound like shit and.... basically the entire kit sounds like garbage to me.



Get the Metal Machine expansion pack. It sounds WAAAAAAAAAYYYY better than DFH.

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Thats because DKFH sounds like shit.


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ok ill try that. how about the problem of programming? is guitar pro viable?


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Holy-diver wrote:
ok ill try that. how about the problem of programming? is guitar pro viable?


I dont know about guitar pro...but I already gave you what I think is the best way to do it. get the midi files that good drummers actually played in an E kit.


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get all their midi packs , it's way easier to go in and tweak a few beats then it is to write a few bars .

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i am afraid i dont know what midi packs are since i have only used guitar pro... how do i do this?


Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:27 pm
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you dont know what midi is?


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i dont know really, all i know how to do is make shit in guitar pro and export as midi... :lol:
maybe you have an article i can read or something?


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EZ comes with some drag and drop beats have you used those ?

http://www.toontrack.com/products.asp#MIDIPacks

scroll down to midi packs

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Holy-diver wrote:
i dont know really, all i know how to do is make shit in guitar pro and export as midi... :lol:
maybe you have an article i can read or something?



what the fuck


listen...

Open up your DAW, load EZdrummer as an instrument. Look in the "groove" section in the plug in, and audition some of the grooves. If you find one you like, drag it into the track. Do that until you have a song. The things that you drag are midi files. Double click them to see the MIDI editor in your daw, and play around with the notes to change the beat.


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well... ill be trying this later on haha. thanks dudes, i hadnt messed around with any of that.


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This could be abit too advanced for op yet, but I simply replace all the drums in ezdrummer with aptrigga.

http://www.apulsoft.ch/aptrigga/

It's a very good drum trigger plugin, and it's cheap. Free drum samples are all over the net, you can find a ton from the Andy Sneap forums alone. In the long run it comes off a lot cheaper than buying kits.

Here's a start:

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/f-o-h/311618-drum-samples-meta.html

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Metal Machine, no question.

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Ive been pretty happy with Slate drums


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I have a feeling it's your mixing skills rather than EZDrummer that's to blame. Try working on those before you go buying something else. I used EZD with the stock kit for years and had great results. Like this clip:

http://tonefinder.com/?section=id&value=5671

Post a clip of what you're getting.


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EZD isn't the best, but it can sound pretty good if you know what you're doing.


From the sounds of it though, you haven't got a clue what you're doing. :idk:

Good drum programming takes a lot of time and attention to detail, even with the best drum samples. Great quality sampling doesn't suddenly make up for half-arsed programming. And then you've also gotta be able to mix well.

All the money in the world couldn't get me programming drum tracks in Guitar Pro.


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This could be abit too advanced for op yet, but I simply replace all the drums in ezdrummer with aptrigga.


Unless you're blending the samples, what's the point of running EZD just to use for triggering other samples? You're already programming in MIDI, so why not just load your samples up in whatever sampler (e.g. Battery) and go straight off the MIDI track? Seems just a waste of system resources. :idk:


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Yeah there are lots of great clips using EZD, and DKFH.


I thought it was funny to see "EZDRUMMER sucks" and then he doesn't even know how to use the plugin :lol:


Anyway, Id also like to hear an example of your recordings.


Metal Machine sounds the shit without having to do much of anything to it though


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DNW wrote:
nakedzen wrote:
This could be abit too advanced for op yet, but I simply replace all the drums in ezdrummer with aptrigga.


Unless you're blending the samples, what's the point of running EZD just to use for triggering other samples? You're already programming in MIDI, so why not just load your samples up in whatever sampler (e.g. Battery) and go straight off the MIDI track? Seems just a waste of system resources. :idk:


That probably would be a better way. I've just never had any problems with this setup, and I'm still using the cymbals from ez. Any free samplers that are good? Battery seems too hiphop/electro oriented. (And expensive)

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This is really cool to use with EZDrummer: http://www.rayzoon.com/. I've had it for a month or so and have barely scratched what it can do. I bought the cheapest one they had since I'm using EZD with it. Here's the blurb from the site:

This ground-breaking virtual drummer VSTi runs synchronized with your sequencer and features in-depth real-time modeling of various styles as well as human drummers with their own habits, accents and fill characteristics. Together, they can create thousands and thousands of realistic drum performances, each one editable down to the last hit thanks to the built-in limb-centric bar editor.

This unrivaled drum simulation is complemented by a high-quality sample player with up to 4GB of samples (Studio version) but can also MIDI-drive your favorite drum module with the brain power and arrangement functionality of Jamstix.

Did we mention it can jam interactively with your MIDI or audio input? Make sure to download the demo and prepare to be amazed...


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Dude go here:
http://www.groovemonkee.com/en/products

Then get Steven Slate Drums EX4

Any DAW (Reaper, Logic, Cubase, etc.) will allow you to create a track that you can drag and drop the midi files from Groove Monkee on. THen you apply Slae and viola!

It's really easy. It way more intimidating to try than it is actually doing.

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Checked out that rayzoon thing. I would suggest learning the standard piano roll in your DAW. Just my $.02

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Programming drums in piano roll is do easy once you learn all the shortcuts and hotkeys.


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ok I am a noob, not a retard :lol: I can hear dkfh and the snares sound like shit, always.
Anyways, I am using reaper, so I am gonna check out these suggestions. Thanks!


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OverDriven wrote:
I have a feeling it's your mixing skills rather than EZDrummer that's to blame. Try working on those before you go buying something else. I used EZD with the stock kit for years and had great results. Like this clip:

http://tonefinder.com/?section=id&value=5671

Post a clip of what you're getting.


the drums are super quiet in this clip. I'll post something later on for an example.
I also want to add i dont know a lot about mixing either, so you are correct in that assumption as well.


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http://tonefinder.com/?section=id&value=12517


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Picked up EZ Drummer from Loop on Black Friday for $30, but I have't sat down and tried to learn it. Any tips?

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Dont ask me :lol: i didnt know shit about the program. There is some good tips in here though.


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GRIMESPACE wrote:
Picked up EZ Drummer from Loop on Black Friday for $30, but I have't sat down and tried to learn it. Any tips?


Here's a tip:

Open it up and play with it.

Its easy enough that a downy retard could use it.

Wtf is wrong with you people :lol:


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Sorry - probably was a dumb question... will read later and get motivated

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Holy-diver wrote:
http://tonefinder.com/?section=id&value=12517



Ok, yeah it sucks...but is because you dont know how to mix...


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:idk: that clip doesnt even sound that bad. Overdrivens drums arent even audible so that isnt a real good example either (no offense meant)


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maybe you can post a clip rear naked? since you seem to be the expert ;)


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My shit pretty much sucks but it is because I suck at mixing too
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Was that DKFH or regular ezd kit?


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:lol: mixing.... how does it work
it was the regular kit. trust me, every time i try to use dkfh the snare is putrid and ill be damned if its my mixing.


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Holy-diver wrote:
:lol: mixing.... how does it work
it was the regular kit. trust me, every time i try to use dkfh the snare is putrid and ill be damned if its my mixing.


Do you try to fix the snare?


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fix it? idk haha
ok im having another problem. the "grooves" i try and drag and put in reaper are coming up with a failed to import message. halp?


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Holy-diver wrote:
fix it? idk haha
ok im having another problem. the "grooves" i try and drag and put in reaper are coming up with a failed to import message. halp?


Fix it = EQ, compress, make it not sound like shit.....MIXING lol



umm...make sure the midi files are stored in the right spot. Are they playing at all? If they are playing in the GUI when you hit play, i have no idea what would be wrong. Sounds like you have a problem with your cracked version :D


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naw man, they are normal and playing and everything, and they sound cool, but it fails to import.


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I recorded this with EZ Drummer Metal machine, Drums are buried but not bad, Use my FJA Modded JSX!!
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default ... dID=417483


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rear naked wrote:
Holy-diver wrote:
http://tonefinder.com/?section=id&value=12517



Ok, yeah it sucks...but is because you dont know how to mix...


What it basically sounds like is someone exporting a drum track from Guitar Pro (which are usually shit to begin with), and just running the MIDI track into EZD. No tweaking of the drum track, no discernible attempt at mixing, no shits given. :idk:

If you want to apply minimal effort in mixing, maybe look at the EZ Mix products. Pretty sure they just released a new drum related one (or at least I got an email about one the other day). Then there is the matter of the quality of the sequence. If you want real sounding drums, part of it is the sample set and how it's triggered, part of it is the quality of the sequence. If you can't be arsed programming properly (I dunno how good Reaper's MIDI sequencing is, but Guitar Pro won't cut it), that's what the MIDI packs are there. They've got all kinds of shit in all kinds of styles played by real drummers on e-kits, and from memory they're cheap as shit.

Otherwise, you've got a lot of learning to do, both in sequencing and mixing.


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Sounds like your velocity is set really low.

I like Metal Foundry.


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Holy-diver wrote:
maybe you can post a clip rear naked? since you seem to be the expert ;)


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1109082/tallica.mp3

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Thats ezdrummer stock kit

the kick drum didnt work out too well for me :o :cry:


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Loins of Fire wrote:
Sounds like your velocity is set really low.



Thats just what it sounds like on hard hits


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did you just record that really quick :lol:
it sounds better than mine. I am trying to get the drag and drop MIDI to work now


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I figured it out, you have to run reaper as admin and it works... cool :D
so now what is piano roll?


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Holy-diver wrote:
I figured it out, you have to run reaper as admin and it works... cool :D
so now what is piano roll?


double click the midi file once you drug it in. This will take you to piano roll


if you cant get them to drag in from EZD, just go find where they are kept and drag them in yourself and play with it that way.


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Holy-diver wrote:
did you just record that really quick :lol:
it sounds better than mine. I am trying to get the drag and drop MIDI to work now


Took me a while to mix it, since I wanted to use that shitty EZD kit to show you what you can do with it if you fuck with it.

I learned a lot tonight trying to make it sound good lol


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Where did you get the backing midi for the drums?


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